THE CLAIMS OF JESUS. IS IT TRUE and EXCLUSIVE? how about religious relativism?

[heliopause]

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SOME OF THE CLAIMS OF JESUS

A. Jesus Will Judge All Men and Determine Their Eternal Destinies.
Again, this is a work only God could do (see Isaiah 33:22; Psalm 50:6; 96:10,13; Romans 2:3,5,16). Yet the gospel often claims that Jesus will do it.

John 5:22 - He said that the Father has given all judgment to Him.
Matthew 16:27 - He will come in glory with the angels and reward all men according to their works.
Matthew 25:31-46 - All nations will be gathered before Him, and He will send them into eternal punishment or eternal life.

B. Jesus Claimed that He Came to Save Mankind from Sin.

Mark 2:3-12; Luke 7:48,49 - Jesus claimed to have power to directly forgive sins. This is a work only God can do.
Matthew 20:28 - He came to give His life a ransom for many.
Matthew 26:28 - He shed His blood for many for remission of sins.
John 8:24 - People who do not believe in Him will die in their sins.

C. He Claimed that Men Can Have Fellowship with God and Eternal Life Only through Him.

John 14:6 - I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father except through me.
John 3:13-15 - Jesus claimed He came down from heaven so that whoever believes in Him can have eternal life. [6:40]
John 10:27-29 - My sheep hear my voice and I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish.

D. Object of Worship and Glory (like God)

Worship
Matthew 14:33 - After Jesus had calmed a storm, the disciples worshiped Him saying He is the Son of God.
John 9:38 - After Jesus healed a blind man, the man said he believed and he worshiped Jesus.
Matthew 28:9,17 - After His resurrection, His disciples worshiped Him.
Luke 24:52 - After He had ascended back to heaven, they continued to worship Him.
So Jesus accepted worship as an act of religious honor. If He was just a man - even if He was a great prophet - His own teachings would absolutely forbid this.

Refuting relativism

by Matt Slick
Relativism is the philosophical position that all points of view are equally valid and that all truth is relative to the individual. But, if we look further, we see that this proposition is not logical. In fact, it is self-refuting.

1. All truth is relative.
   1. If all truth is relative, then the statement "All truth is relative" would be absolutely true. If it is absolutely true, then not all things are relative and the statement that "All truth is relative" is false.
2. There are no absolute truths.
   1. The statement "There are no absolute truths" is an absolute statement which is supposed to be true. Therefore, it is an absolute truth and "There are no absolute truths" is false.
   2. If there are no absolute truths, then you cannot believe anything absolutely at all, including that there are no absolute truths. Therefore, nothing could be really true for you - including relativism.
3. What is true for you is not true for me.
   1. If what is true for me is that relativism is false, then is it true that relativism is false?
      1. If you say no, then what is true for me is not true and relativism is false.
      2. If you say yes, then relativism is false.
   1. If you say that it is true only for me that relativism is false, then
      1. I am believing something other than relativism; namely, that relativism is false. If that is true, then how can relativism be true?
      2. am I believing a premise that is true or false or neither?
         1. If it is true for me that relativism is false, then relativism (within me) holds the position that relativism is false. This is self-contradictory.
         2. If it is false for me that relativism is false, then relativism isn't true because what is true for me is not said to be true for me.
         3. If you say it is neither true or false, then relativism isn't true since it states that all views are equally valid; and by not being at least true, relativism is shown to be wrong.
   2. If I believe that relativism is false, and if it is true only for me that it is false, then you must admit that it is absolutely true that I am believing that relativism false.
      1. If you admit that it is absolutely true that I am believing relativism is false, then relativism is defeated since you admit there is something absolutely true.
   3. If I am believing in something other than relativism that is true, then there is something other than relativism that is true - even if it is only for me.
      1. If there is something other than relativism that is true, then relativism is false.
4. No one can know anything for sure.
   1. If that is true, then we can know that we cannot know anything for sure, which is self-defeating.
5. That is your reality, not mine.
   1. Is my reality really real?
   2. If my reality is different than yours, how can my reality contradict your reality? If yours and mine are equally real, how can two opposite realities that exclude each other really exist at the same time?
6. We all perceive what we want.
   1. How do you know that statement is true?
   2. If we all perceive what we want, then what are you wanting to perceive?
      1. If you say you want to perceive truth, how do you know if you are not deceived?
      2. Simply desiring truth is no proof you have it.
7. You may not use logic to refute relativism.
   1. Why not?
   2. Can you give me a logical reason why logic cannot be used?
   3. If you use relativism to refute logic, then on what basis is relativism (that nothing is absolutely true) able to refute logic which is based upon truth.
   4. If you use relativism to refute logic, then relativism has lost its relative status since it is used to absolutely refute the truth of something else.
8. We are only perceiving different aspects of the same reality.
   1. If our perceptions are contradictory, can either perception be trusted?
   2. Is truth self-contradictory?
      1. If it were, then it wouldn't be true because it would be self-refuting. If something is self-refuting, then it isn't true.
   3. If it is true that we are perceiving different aspects of the same reality, then am I believing something that is false since I believe that your reality is not true? How then could they be the same reality?
   4. If you are saying that it is merely my perception that is not true, then relativism is refuted.
      1. If I am believing something that is false, then relativism is not true since it holds that all views are equally valid.
   5. If my reality is that your reality is false, then both cannot be true. If both are not true, then one of us (or both) is in error.
      1. If one or both of us is in error, then relativism is not true.
9. Relativism itself is excluded from the critique that it is absolute and self-refuting.
   1. On what basis do you simply exclude relativism from the critique of logic?
      1. Is this an arbitrary act? If so, does it justify your position?
      2. If it is not arbitrary, what criteria did you use to exclude it?
   2. To exclude itself from the start is an admission of the logical problems inherent in its system of thought.

[THE KID]

unsa d i ni?..........

[heliopause]

If Jesus claimed what he ought to be as the saviour of mankind, way, truth and the life. Is it also possible to apply it to Buddha, Krishna or Mohammed who never had that claim?

This is where the truth arises.

[noy]

as i Christian, of course Jesus' claims is my truth..this may not be true to others of course..
and definitely the teachings are not exclusive to Christians only,'cause it would defeat teh great commission and
the chance of sharing the gospel of Jesus, i beleive there is relativity in all monotheist religions(islam,Jewish,and Christians)..most likely we believe in the same father God..divisions came when Jesus claimed to be the promised messiah..other monotheist religion may also have a different interpretation about the messianic prophecy.Jewish brothers are still waiting for the promised one..as for us Christians..it is Jesus.

[brian joshua]

beh, youtube video knu beh arun toohan hehe

[noy]

hahaha...d pwede youtube brad...kay blocked sa office..hehe

[brian joshua]

may gani sa opisina makatan-aw ra, pero timingon lng kung wa ang amo hehe

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

Another religion thread .

Wala na moy laing ma huna hunaan na worthy to talk about ?

nagkalata na ang religion threads diri . Stick to that topic.