MERGED: CPP-NPA-NDF Discussions (Issues, Updates, etc.)

[forester]

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Dili angay kahadlokan ang komonismo sa ligdong nga katarungan nga kini usa lamang ka konsepto sa pagpalakaw sa pang-goberno. Ang atong kahadlokan mao ang pagpadagan sa maong konsepto sa mga mamahimong mamuno niini. Kini gumikan sa kalahian sa kahimtang ug pwersa sa namuno itandi sa gipamuno-an nga mao ang mga tawo [komon]. Absolute power may be exercised without regulation

[brownprose]

I think you really dont know about left-communism. Left-communism is not maoism. Maoism is not part of marxism....

I don't know if you misunderstood me or you're simply unaware.

I was pointing out the Philippine version of left communism that you want to discuss. And I know exactly what I'm talking kay napriso nako og ang akong uyoan ani sa una. Dia pa gani nako ang kopya sa akong first police blotter niadto kung gusto ka moli-li. I wish i'd be able to provide you a good discussion about this personally and my experience sa "konde/karina" (got me now?)...lakip na akong kauban sa kolektiba sa una nga anaa na karon nagserbisyo sa gobyerno. If you're familiar with "Libe" or Liberation (official publication namo niadto) tua koy daghan tampo ngadto...so I guess that should dispel your doubt about my familiarity with the concept and the movement. Modesty aside, I also met Joma sometime in 2003 in Utrecht as I was also studying in Rotterdam during the time -- if that helps.

I know Left Communism (that swept its popularity across Europe at the start of the 20th Century) like many of us in the movement historically and conceptually speaking as much as I know Left Communism in the Philippines historically and conceptually which I said is intrinsically MLMZD. Suggest you better read up Joma's work Philippine Society and Revolution (as Amado Guerrero) so you will understand what I really mean. Just an idea, Joma's inclusion of Maoist communism is obviously both strategic and economic -- the countrysides are easy to control while keeping forces there enables revolutionaries to survive apart from the inherent feudal system that "revolutionaries" have been fighting against. That's why the propaganda and the revolution stretch from the urban intelligentsias (mostly middle class) and wage workers (Leninist approach) to the peasants at the countryside (Maoist approach).

Kining ND og Left Communism sa imong gina-ingon walay kalainan. If you discuss ND thought at length you will discover it points to the very same thought the CPP is talking about. So as I have said, ND is nothing but a term hidden to popularize an almost dead ideology for everyone to bite...I did bite once...and I've learned my lessons not to bite again kay makalanag.

[brownprose]

Left Communism (more palatably Nationalist Democracy) in light of Philippine revolutionary thought (as a theory) goes beyond the economics of it...apil na niini ang mga pama-agi sa pagkab-ot niini.

Kung sumpayon nimo ang libro ni Joma Sison (a.k.a. Amado Guerrero) ang iyang Philippine Society and Revolution og ang "Left-wing Communism, An Infantile Disorder" you will find an explicit articulation of the present revolutionary thought which is substantially MLMZD.

Og sa katong mga nagduda allow me to give you an excerpt of CPPs history and the connection of the present Marxist Leninist Mao Zae Dong thought in left communism.

[b]The Philippine Communist Party (PKP-1930)

Since the PKP-1930 was formally organized on August 26,
1930, it upholds the 1896 Revolution's noblest traditions
--- its devotion to and love of country, its spirit of
sacrifice and selflessness, its undying determination to
liberate the Philippines from any and all forms of foreign
domination, whatever this may cost. Neither was it a mere
coincidence that the PKP-1930 was formally launched on
November 7, 1930, the anniversary of the Great October
Socialist Revolution which created the first socialist
state. Therefore, the PKP-1930 was the logical
outcome of local events influenced in no small measure by
international developments.

Adhering to Marxism-Leninism, the PKP-1930 led the struggle
of peasants towards abolition of feudal production
relations, led the working class struggle against bourgeois
exploitation, heroically led the masses against the
Japanese invaders and vehemently fought against
neo-colonial rule of the USA and its Western Allies and its
puppet (past and present) administrations.

The Communist Party of the Philippines Mao Tse Tung Thought
(CPP-MTT)

In 1967, the PKP-1930 expelled Jose Ma. Sison basically for
ideological reason (for his Maoist leanings), for careerism
(asserting that the composition of the Central Committee
should only come from intellectuals, who could make thesis)
and factionalism. Some writers, sympathetic to them, were
erroneously saying that Sison broke away from the party
because of the Party's abandonment of armed struggle and
shift to nonviolent legal and parliamentary struggle. It
must be clarified that during that time, the PKP-1930 had
still armed component --- the People's Liberation Army
(HMB). It was only in 1973, that the PKP-1930 shifted to
legal and parliamentary form of struggle.

On December 26, 1968 (Mao's birthday), Jose Ma. Sison
organized the Communist Party of the Philippines Mao Tse
Tung Thought (CPP-MTT), followed by the formation of its
armed component, the New People's Army (NPA) at Hacienda
Luisita, owned by Benigno Aquino Jr. (husband of former
president Corazon Aquino). On the mass level, they first
joined BANDILA, led by Butz Aquino, brother of Ninoy.
Later, they broke away and formed a multisectoral
organization, the Bagong Alyansang Makabayan (BAYAN) and a
labor center, the Kilusang Mayo 1.

Since 1992, the CPP-MTT is haunted by seemingly
interminable splits. Out of it have emerged eight at least
fragments. The fragmentation of the CPP was the result of
the disappointments of its members on the following: for
not organizing the party congress nor central committee
plenum since its founding congress in 1968; for holding the
CC plenum only in 1992 but without the proper quorum
(inviting only those who are in favor of Joma's
leadership); adherence to the principles laid down in 1968,
basically, that means upholding the theory and practice of
Marxism-Leninism-Mao Zedong Thought in his issued document.

That is to say: maintaining the view that Philippine
society is "semi-feudal" and "semi-colonial"; pursuing the
general line of new democratic revolution by maintaining
armed struggle as main form of struggle, following Mao's
diktum that `political power glows from the barrel of a
gun'; claiming the CPP as the vanguard force of the
proletariat or the working class; waging the protracted
people's war (PPW) strategy of encircling the cities from
the countryside, among others. (Source: Solidnet.org)

[brownprose]

Another confirmation of MLMZD (Marxist-Leninist Mao Zae Dong) that's practiced and spoused by the CPP right now.

The Communist Party of the Philippines (Marxism-Leninism-Mao Zedong Thought) is a revolutionary proletarian party that looks upon the legacies of past Philippine rebellions and revolutions and of the theories of Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels, Joseph Stalin, and Mao Zedong. It assists the progress of theory and practice in the world proletarian revolution that is guided by Marxism-Leninism-Mao Zedong Thought (Preamble, Constitution of the Communist Party of the Philippines, 196.

(Source: Wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communi...he_Philippines)

[aya_diwata]

at least, between me and some nat dem, or in that case, some "progressive" left, i dont pretend or pose as a marxist or somebody knowledgeable about marx unlike some of them who pose themselves as 'marxists' and quotes (out of context) marx without even understanding the point of the quote. I'm not good with marx, albeit i have some inkling on marx and ive read an iota of his work, but at least i'm not a poser and at least i am not a dogmatist compared to them.

cheers!

very well on qualifying yourself.. we can't really generalize. the natdem itself is patterned to some of marxist ideas - the revolutionary class consciousness for example.

[situnsko]

Angan ba kahadlokan ang komunismo? lets stick to the question...

[aya_diwata]

Angan ba kahadlokan ang komunismo? lets stick to the question...

the thread grew into a discourse on communism itself

indeed, it's just a yes or no question but how can you answer when you don't know communism itself.

[situnsko]

BY DEFINITION :
Communism is the abolition of power of people over people. This means abolishing "oppression," whether the oppression be of nations by nations, classes by classes, women by men or any other division in society. Communism is based on mutual cooperation, peace and justice instead of oppression.

Are we afraid of this or not

[rambutan]

^^

not at all..

depende kung kinsa ang magpatuman.. haaaaaaaaay..

ambot nalang..

[internasyonalista]

dili gyud angay kahadlokan ang komunismo. kini gani ang angayan nga ipuli sa kasamatangang dunot nga kapitalistang katilingban karon. wala nay mahatag pa nga amaayong kaugmaon ang kapitalismo sa kalibotan ug sa nasud karon.

apan dakung sayop kon ang "komunismo" nga anaa sa atong hunahuna mao ang gisabwag sa CPP-NPA ug sa ubang leftist orgs sa pinas sama sa sanlakas, bisig, ubp.

angayan nato sabton nga ang komunismo dili equivalent sa state ownership of the means of production ug dili party dictatorship nga maoy modelo sa mga Stalinist, Maoist ug Trotskyist...