FREE MASONRY - the Principles

[giddyboy]

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when it comes to religion, there is always conflict.. even with the religion threads here in istorya.. even back in my college days during debates in our breaks or vacant times about religion.. why? because respect in other peoples beliefs and practices is lost, thats the reason why i see freemasonry as a good thing.. hehe.. it teaches you not to judge but to embrace.. char.. hehe..
its just like our get-together with my family, the matriarch is a devout catholic but some of her daughters/sons is a mormon,iglesia,muslim, etc.. and we still embrace each other because we are family.. char.. and if we talk about religion, its just gonna ruin the occasion..
i remember the movie "kingdom of heaven", about the time muslim and christians coexist in jerusalem, but still there are people who would try to destroy that peace.. hehe..

hehe..u remind me of my relative whose family is multi-religion...the father is a catholic, the mother is a sabadista, the daughter is a mormon...hehe (this is true ha)

anyways, times has changed my friend...even the new Pope Benedict stresses respect for Muslims...

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

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Mao na problema bai .... Benedict XVI maybe be enforcing it but would it be the same for the next Pope ?

A good discussion would be , why was there a need for the EXCOMMUNICATION when FM is not even a RELIGION that competes against it when in fact some religions / cults are more cultivated to instill hatred outside its doors but the VATICAN embraced it with BROTHERLY LOVE ?

[giddyboy]

@ GIDDYBOY
Well if what you are saying is your " personal " experience " then that is good but then its not . How can one be a REFERENCE site when it is admonishing HATRED , UNFAIRNESS and JUDEGMENT and CONCLUSIONS na baseless unless we are talking about WIKIPEDIA but then who would want to read wikipedia when we see headlines like FREEMASONRY is the NWO , ANTI CHRIST etc ?

no, it is not from personal experience. im talking about the general scenario here. reference sites could be anything: pro, neutral, or anti...wikipedia is neutral about it (of course)...the bereans is anti...so what do u want to do about it? ask the freemasons to censor the antis?...hehe. that was just an exagge ha...anyway, let them be for what they are for pete's sakes...i know that u personally hate the idea of a site that admonishes anybody (especially Catholics) joining FM...

OT : Maybe I need to but coming from a family of " sarado katoliko " and educated from one of the best Catholic schools from primary to secondary ... I dont think so . Yes its personal judgement but a judgement based from contradicting experiences rather than enriching ones self of knowing and living the faith w/o any remorse is more SAINTLY kay even if we know our CATHECISM top to bottom but we only keep on repeating our mistakes as HUMAN BEINGS , I call that HYPOCRISY .

OT:
again sorry for the personal statement i made earlier...that was out of line. u r entitled to ur own opinion & judgment...

Yes it sounds like it and I know many will agree with me also . Dont get me wrong , I will defend and protect my religion in any given time and place but as ive mentioned earlier , RC are supposed to have MORALS that governs our conscience according from the teachings and commandments . I dont see any LOVE OUR ENEMIES in the relationship from RC to FM but embraced even the MUSLIMS who has put more damage to CHRISTIANITY history wise .

Christianity is not "embracing" Islam, but "respecting"...there's a big difference there... "Pope Benedict stresses total and profound "respect" for Muslims, adding that Christians and Muslims alike must reject all forms of violence and respect religious liberty"...kung Muslim ka, follow the Muslim way. kung Christian ka, follow the Christian way. but total and profound respect for each other is being stressed...

now it will be different in the case of FM, the Christian faith is not into the idea of PLURALISM and UNIVERSALISM. it also stated that FM is not compatible with historic and biblical faith...to add daw, it compromises the teachings of our Lord...AND THAT IS TRUE AND FACTUAL. makiglalis pa ka sa Bereans ana?

what the church is also saying is that kung Catholic ka, follow the Catholic way. it is also a form of hypocrisy to be a Catholic and a freemason at the same time...coz they are supposed to be incompatible in the first place.

and yes, the catholic church has moral authority over their flock as based on the divine command theory. but that's how it is to be an "ideal" Catholic...and we all know nobody is close to the "ideal", well, except the saints...

yeah lagi, FM embraces all religion, but the Catholic church doesn't embrace FM...and that's a sad reality folks.

[br]Posted on: February 04, 2008, 06:13:32 PM_________________________________________________

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Mao na problema bai .... Benedict XVI maybe be enforcing it but would it be the same for the next Pope ?

we don't know what the future brings us...kamo bay mag Santo Papa, lalim ba...

A good discussion would be , why was there a need for the EXCOMMUNICATION when FM is not even a RELIGION that competes against it when in fact some religions / cults are more cultivated to instill hatred outside its doors but the VATICAN embraced it with BROTHERLY LOVE ?

huh? u said,"some religions/cults are more cultivated to instill hatred outside its doors but the Vatican embraced it w/ brotherly love"...i do hope u r not talking about Islam, coz if u do, then u r dead wrong...and "embracing" is not the correct term to use. it's "respecting" that is more apt.

as i've mentioned again earlier, RC is against PLURALISM and UNIVERSALISM and FM is incompatible w/ historic and biblical Christian faith...i know that FM is not a religion...(well, it's a sort of religion as according to some and i respect their opinion also), but the PRACTICES of FM is what the RC is talking about, not FM as a religion...

[pijavier]

no, it is not from personal experience. im talking about the general scenario here. reference sites could be anything: pro, neutral, or anti...wikipedia is i think neutral about it...the bereans is anti...so what do u want to do about it? ask the freemasons to censor the antis?...hehe. that was just an exagge ha...anyway, let them be for what they are for pete's sakes...i know that u personally hate the idea of a site that admonishes anybody (especially Catholics) joining FM...

OT:
again sorry for the personal statement i made earlier...that was out of line. u r entitled to ur own opinion & judgment...

Christianity is not "embracing" Muslims, but "respecting"...there's a big difference there... "Pope Benedict stresses total and profound "respect" for Muslims, adding that Christians and Muslims alike must reject all forms of violence and respect religious liberty"...kung Muslim ka, follow the Muslim way. kung Christian ka, follow the Christian way. but toal and profound respect for both is being stressed...

now it will be different in the case of FM, the Christian faith is not into the idea of PLURALISM and UNIVERSALISM. it also stated that FM is not compatible with historic and biblical faith...to add daw, it compromises the teachings of our Lord...AND THAT IS TRUE AND FACTUAL. makiglalis pa ka sa Bereans ana?

what the church is also saying is that kung Catholic ka, follow the Catholic way. it is also a form of hypocrisy to be a Catholic and a freemason at the same time...coz they are supposed to be incompatible in the first place.

and yes, the catholic church has moral authority over their flock as based on the divine command theory. but that's how it is to be an "ideal" Catholic...and we all know nobody is close to the "ideal", well, except the saints...

yeah lagi, FM embraces all religion, but the Catholic church doesn't embrace FM...and that's a sad reality folks.

[NASYO]

Free Mason is a brotherhood, not a religion..
Secret man gani unta ni na brotherhood apan nagpatim-aw na lang ni sila..

Naa man daghan mesteryo ani nila kay hangtud karon, daghan pa man ni sila sekreto gitagu-an.

Pero ang ako nakita nila ang kaayohan, daghan man gud ni sila gipangtabangan..

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

no, it is not from personal experience. im talking about the general scenario here. reference sites could be anything: pro, neutral, or anti...wikipedia is neutral about it (of course)...the bereans is anti...so what do u want to do about it? ask the freemasons to censor the antis?...hehe. that was just an exagge ha...anyway, let them be for what they are for pete's sakes...i know that u personally hate the idea of a site that admonishes anybody (especially Catholics) joining FM...

When we say REFERENCE SITES , these are sites where we refer and gain KNOWLEDGE . I personally and millions more know that ANTI SITES are makebelieve sites specific to the FREEMASONRY . Would you want your knowledge gained from reference sites that are more of a PROPAGANDA rather than the TRUTH ?

OT:
again sorry for the personal statement i made earlier...that was out of line. u r entitled to ur own opinion & judgment...

No problem , our individual opinions , practices and outlooks varies .

Christianity is not "embracing" Islam, but "respecting"...there's a big difference there... "Pope Benedict stresses total and profound "respect" for Muslims, adding that Christians and Muslims alike must reject all forms of violence and respect religious liberty"...kung Muslim ka, follow the Muslim way. kung Christian ka, follow the Christian way. but total and profound respect for each other is being stressed...

COrrect me if I am wrong but I did not say EMBRACED , though I agree about respecting , how can one respect one NOBILITY bound from MORALS chooses who to respect ? respect bgegets respect ? I am not arguing with you on this issues but I am pointing out the discrepancies of the Vatican .

now it will be different in the case of FM, the Christian faith is not into the idea of PLURALISM and UNIVERSALISM.

Another discrepancy from the Vatican bai . How can one be so Godly and righteous when it is ignoring GODS teachings in the simplest form of DISCRIMINATION ?

it also stated that FM is not compatible with historic and biblical faith...to add daw, it compromises the teachings of our Lord...AND THAT IS TRUE AND FACTUAL. makiglalis pa ka sa Bereans ana?

That TRUE and FACTUAL is really worth the time to know what are those HISTORICAL and TEACHINGS that compromises it .

what the church is also saying is that kung Catholic ka, follow the Catholic way. it is also a form of hypocrisy to be a Catholic and a freemason at the same time...coz they are supposed to be incompatible in the first place.

Which is nothing different from the hundreds if not thousands who are HYPOCRITES bai . I'd rather be EXCOMMUNICATED as long as I still continue to be a servant of the Lord in my own little ways HEARTILY , anyways from a RC point of view , its not the Vatican that judges me .

and yes, the catholic church has moral authority over their flock as based on the divine command theory. but that's how it is to be an "ideal" Catholic...and we all know nobody is close to the "ideal", well, except the saints...

True and I agree with it . My only concern would be , its hard to make it DIVINE when its only a THEORY bisan ang ga study ana is the best of the best pa sa Vatican . It is still NOT certain .

yeah lagi, FM embraces all religion, but the Catholic church doesn't embrace FM...and that's a sad reality folks.

And that just clearly is a suggestion of something else . I firmly believed that the Bereans answers are only citings to answer WHY but it is still not certain .

Mura bitaw sa simple kaayo na storya sa mga Pinoy . Asa ka mo dayeg ? Kang Juan na gi sugo pero gadabog dabog pero gi trabaho ra pod or kang Pedro na ni tando pero wala buhata ang sugo ?

we don't know what the future brings us...kamo bay mag Santo Papa, lalim ba...

Dili lalim but thats how we measure INCONSISTENCIES .

huh? u said,"some religions/cults are more cultivated to instill hatred outside its doors but the Vatican embraced it w/ brotherly love"...i do hope u r not talking about Islam, coz if u do, then u r dead wrong...and "embracing" is not the correct term to use. it's "respecting" that is more apt.

Then we'll use the term RESPECT . How can we explain the ETHNIC CLEANSING by the MUSLIMS in Europe ? The RC terrorist of Ireland ? The hatred on Jews during the second world war ?

[newstarb_again]

hehe... sturya ray ga dghan...

[giddyboy]

When we say REFERENCE SITES , these are sites where we refer and gain KNOWLEDGE . I personally and millions more know that ANTI SITES are makebelieve sites specific to the FREEMASONRY . Would you want your knowledge gained from reference sites that are more of a PROPAGANDA rather than the TRUTH ?

reference sites like wiki and britannica, are on the informative note. The bereans is on (as u hinted) is on a propaganda note. but it is still a reference mat'l u know...that's the beauty of research bay, u get a lot of different views from different sources...the more u gain knowledge on an issue, the wider your perspectives. and im sure u know that...

actually, i only cited some sources' views on FM in a simplified manner. Those views did not come from me. if u wanna argue the Bereans' views, then go ahead point by point...it's not my call, coz im not a Berean, nor a freemason. im just an average joe here.

Another discrepancy from the Vatican bai . How can one be so Godly and righteous when it is ignoring GODS teachings in the simplest form of DISCRIMINATION ?

i dunno if that can be called discrimination...do we have a Catholic priest, a layman here in istorya that can clarify? im not in the position to answer that kind of question...hahaha

I'd rather be EXCOMMUNICATED as long as I still continue to be a servant of the Lord in my own little ways HEARTILY , anyways from a RC point of view , its not the Vatican that judges me.

well, good for you...

True and I agree with it . My only concern would be , its hard to make it DIVINE when its only a THEORY bisan ang ga study ana is the best of the best pa sa Vatican . It is still NOT certain .
And that just clearly is a suggestion of something else . I firmly believed that the Bereans answers are only citings to answer WHY but it is still not certain .

it's DIVINE COMMAND THEORY...it has something to do with a religion as a source of moral authority.

and i know dat it is not certain, thus the word "theory"...even Plato is criticizing that theory.

Dili lalim but thats how we measure INCONSISTENCIES .
Then we'll use the term RESPECT .

ok, we'll use "respect" in the proper perspective... when we say the Pope stresses total & profound respect for Islam as a religion, of course, it doesn't mean we also have to respect the violence generated from those extremist Muslims, coz it's not the correct Islam way...get the drift?

we can also say that Christianity "respects" FM, but it doesn't mean that it also "embraces" FM. if the Christian faith tells us that FM is incompatible w/ Christianity, then FM should also "respect" that view.

have a nice one!!!

[pijavier]

I agree with this post by Giddy:

reference sites like wiki and britannica, are on the informative note. People can easily alter its info.

we can also say that Christianity "respects" FM, but it doesn't mean that it also "embraces" FM. if the Christian faith tells us that FM is incompatible w/ Christianity, then FM should also "respect" that view.

These are good points bro

[JX]

hehe..u remind me of my relative whose family is multi-religion...the father is a catholic, the mother is a sabadista, the daughter is a mormon...hehe (this is true ha)

anyways, times has changed my friend...even the new Pope Benedict stresses respect for Muslims...

and i hope you still embrace that relative of yours even if they are practicing a different religion.. hehe..

also in the movie, the leper king also stressed respect for the muslims, yet when the king died, the one who followed the throne created the conflict again.. and that was during the crusades..

we can also say that Christianity "respects" FM, but it doesn't mean that it also "embraces" FM. if the Christian faith tells us that FM is incompatible w/ Christianity, then FM should also "respect" that view.

i think Christianity is an inappropriate term for the thought.. hehe.. christianity is all about love.. loving your brother, even loving your enemy, giving love.. etc.. (hapit npod diay ang valentines.. luv napod) hehe.. and thats something in common with FM and Christianity, it teaches members to love/respect one another.. hehe..