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  1. #971

    Default Re: How to stop or solve the poverty in the Philippines?


    Quote Originally Posted by tokidoki_v2.0 View Post
    i wasn't exactly correcting you about your reply. I was just thinking out loud that communism is disturbingly similar to what you just described.

    Anyway, it is also worth noting that the basic ideas of laws is so in a large population the freedom of one is not violated by another. Simple ra man unta na mindset. Wiccans have that just one law. Why do we need so many to enforce that one true idea, that is, to live freely without violating other people's freedom?

    Bahala'g malibang ka diha sa dan basta lang di na nako masimhot or matumban imong tae. In short, di ko mahasol sa imong kabuang. lol Anyway, you get the idea.

    A lawyer once told me that "to enforce God's 10 commandments, a million laws had to be put in place to enforce it. In spite of that, criminals still manage to weasel out of it. That's why there are lawyers." :P I'm thinking bitaw maybe the concept of "laws" is a flawed concept to begin with.
    The conception of law is natural. People want to create order and to be ascertained they can live freely. To protect life, liberty and property are the core of any society and to maintain that each person respect each others' natural rights. But in the course of things, there will always be people who wants other's to be this and that so that they can live a more convenient life. There also others who wants to be provided by others. There are also those who want to force their beliefs on other people. Thus is the nature of man and thus the necessity of a supposedly neutral third party, Law/ Government, to make sure no one benefits more in law and prevent injustices committed among the citizens.

    Alas, guided either by greed or false philanthropy, there are others who use laws to benefit their industry or group, and it is verbalized in humanitarian themes, to which it is hard to oppose. They seek through our emotions and only talk of the things that can be seen, "benefit for all." But that is not the entire story. The government has no produce of its own to give freely for others. It can only resort to stealing, aka "charitable distribution of wealth." Is it really charity, nobility or philanthropy? No it is not. If i steal money from you to pay for Juan's benefits, am i a crook or a charitable person? If you only see the benefit of Juan, you can conclude I am charitable. But If you look at the whole picture, then you know that i am a crook.

    When a certain group benefits from Law, it causes others to be envious. They would also seek to use law for their benefit. It is just but natural. Then we will have numerous, confusing, overlapping, misplaced laws that dilutes the essence of having laws on the first place. Laws can become tools for profit. It ceases to be the enemy of injustice, instead it becomes the very being it tries to prevent.

    People will then try to correct social problems by....MORE LAWS! Where do we draw the line? We do not know anymore. Just like the story of ANIMAL FARM, we are swayed, indoctrined, conditioned, and forced to accept their versions of justice and law. That is the saddest fate for us... we do not seek LIBERTY anymore, we seek more laws. We do not know what we really want anymore. We are made milking cows of those who have the guile to be the elite of the society.

  2. #972

    Default Re: How to stop or solve the poverty in the Philippines?

    Quote Originally Posted by emow View Post
    @ chrisbern:

    If you have some time, i would recommend you read THE LAW and ECONOMIC SOPHISMS by Frederic Bastiat. It can put order to your political principles.
    thanks.. I'll buy that book if its available in national bookstore..

  3. #973

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris_bern View Post
    thanks.. I'll buy that book if its available in national bookstore..
    you can download the audio book for free The Law audio.... and read the book for free at The Law Full Text

  4. #974

    Default Re: How to stop or solve the poverty in the Philippines?

    Quote Originally Posted by emow View Post
    you can download the audio book for free The Law audio.... and read the book for free at The Law Full Text


    even better.. thanks for that.

  5. #975

    Default Re: How to stop or solve the poverty in the Philippines?

    education ra mn jud ang key to solve poverty...

  6. #976

    Default Re: How to stop or solve the poverty in the Philippines?

    padaghanon ang investments sa Pilipinas kay makacreate na ug domino effect...

    kay unsaon pagkaquality sa education, having good health program, having good infrastructures, etc kung walay budget ang gobyerno, bisan pa siguro ug dili kurakoton, kuwang gihapon knowing dako atong population over sa income, kung daghan na ug kwarta ang gobyerno mabayaran na atong utang mao usa sa makagamay sa atong net income ang utang pero maynta di sad lagi kurakoton...

    and also investments should not concentrate only in Manila mao nga low ang sanitation didto ug sigeng gibahaan kay daghan na kaayo ang mga tawo, good thing karon nga ang Cebu niapas na sa mga investments, pero basin kita na sad ang maoverpopulated ani, mao nga investments kay pakatagon gyud sa tanang suok sa Pilipinas.
    Last edited by rics zalved; 12-15-2011 at 08:42 AM.

  7. #977

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    Quote Originally Posted by peewee_toot View Post
    education ra mn jud ang key to solve poverty...
    unsaon man nang education pag solve sa poverty ui??
    take a closer look at our present situation.

    1. daghan man gane mga college graduates na hantud karon wala pa trabaho.
    2. daghan man gane mga naghuman ug college karon na ang quality sa ila education is not that satisfactory.
    3. ang ato mga teachers sa eswelahan kadaghanan kulang japon sa kaalaman regarding sa mga subject matter na ila gina teach most especially major subjects like math and science..
    4. ang national budget sa ato government kakarampot lang para sa education sector so how can u expect quality education?
    5. Ang kadaghanan sa mga pinoy run nga nagpuyo sa pinas mga pobre.. they can't afford education..what kind of education can they give to their children kung sila mismo wala pud kaayo alam regarding sa education? ang etudlo jud sa mga parents ana sa ila is all about unsaon pagpadaghan sa ila lahi..
    6. Quality education is a business.. no one will sell it for a cheap price and most of all no one will give it for free..



    It's true na daghan sa ato mga pinoy naay ugali nga tamad but that is just one of the problem..But I also don't believe na education alone is the key to solve poverty, kay kung tinood man gane na, unta sugod pa kay presidente marcos na gi consider man nato to sya na brite ug highly educated sauna hantud kay gloria macapagal arroyo na nag eskwela pa sa USA e di nakalingkawas na jud unta ta sa kapobrehon ug dili makapangutana ang TS about aning unsaon pagsulbad sa poverty sa pinas..
    (just want to clarify that I am not against for education.. my point here is that education is not the real solution to our poverty that we experience until now because our education system here in the philippines is not sufficient to cater all our people regarding sa ilang financial status..like I said, "Quality education is a business man gud"..)


    secondly, if corruption na lang pud ang imo etudlo na dahilan sa poverty nato I think that won't convince me much na mao na ang problema kay maski asa nga nasud sa kalibutan naa man jud nang corruption.
    look at China, USA, Thailand, Indonesia and some other countries that u know na progressive.. they too have corruption but they were able to manage to minimize if not totally eliminated their country's poverty level.


    lupigan pa ang kadaghanan sa mga college graduates karon nga nag negosyo ug maski unsay mabaligya kay makita jud nimo nga muasenso sila as time goes by.. dili man gane dayun sila mudatu pero after long years of their persistent effort nidatu na sila..

  8. #978

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    ^^ Education should be part of the solution...but right now, it is part of the problem. Dili lang kay naka eskwela, ok na. That's how our system is working right now. We are just concerned putting kids to school without minding what goes in their head. Education isn't confined within the premises of a learning institution. That should be given emphasis by society, not by government. We leave it to the government to handle the responsibility in educating our next generation. Since when did government educate our people? Dugay na, diba? Unsay naani nato? Big Budget Deficits.

    People don't realize that the billions of negative investment in education is spreading into the entire economy. And the results are not very promising. Our talented, government educated people are leaving for other places to earn their income. Negative investment. The money taken away from the incomes of private citizens and private businesses can never be recovered. Education is a business, just like any other industry; therefore, it is subjected to the natural laws of the market. Government should remove control over education. It has done a dismal job, and i hope we don't settle for "may nalang kasulod eskwelahan kesa wala."

    Then who should educate the poor? well, i don't know. I know we were poor before but my mom paid for my education without any government help. Should we have relied on the government? That would be laughable. It is nobody's concern. If you feel a moral obligation to help educate the poor, then do so with your own fortune. They don't have food and clothes too, would you clothe and feed them? Any would naturally back away from that task. That's why we leave it to the government to steal the money of Juan to pay for the education of poor Pedro. Wonderful isn't it?

    The misplaced philanthropic endeavors of the government have sown something so familiar yet we all want to deny, dependency. If i say, remove all benefits from the government to the citizens in exchange for our complete liberty, i bet many will be against it. We all have been educated to have the government rule our lives. We reject communism but accept socialism. Welfarism is a characteristic of socialism, and socialism is a step lower than communism. hence, the poverty we experience is because of the economic anomalies brought about by the shades of socialism in this country. But politicians call it "RH bill, SSS, Phil Health, CCT, Petroleum subsidy, Senior Citizens Discount, etc..." Can you say no to these for the sake of liberty?

  9. #979

    Default Re: How to stop or solve the poverty in the Philippines?

    vote wisely, ayaw padala sa kwarta...

  10. #980

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    for me holistic approach sa pag tan -aw sa issue ang pinaka da best pag solve sa poverty. tan-awon ang kulang sa areas sa pamalaod, culturang pinoy nga di makatabang sa pag asenso, edukasyon, agriculture, economic policies , strategies ug plano, etc. ug angay sad tagaan dakong pagtagad ang technical areas like engineering. and mo elect tag lider nga kabalo ani nga aspeto., dili lang puros daghang lawyers nga maayo sa baba ug ininglis pero naa sad technical know-hows, implementations and political will nga makatabang sa entrepreneurship, ug dugang trabaho. ato ibalanse ang ma elect in terms of skills dapat naay maayo ayo sa pamababa ug mga technicalities labi na sa engineering and research..Research nga dili pareha anang project sa NASA ha..nga mga impossible kun dili kanang makatabang sa purchasing power sa mga pinalangang pinoy.. naa pa diay, dapat naay igong suporta or programang pang agricultura sa mga mag mag uuma kay ang nahitabo karon ang mga probinsyano nanimpalad sa syudad pero walay swerte, mao ng nidaghan ang settlers ug squatters labi na sa highly urbanized Cities like Manila and Cebu.. dire ra ba gyud nato makita ang evidence nga probre ta. daghan tawo ang syudad gamay tawo ang probinsya nga unta sa probinsya man ang syudad nag salig sa pagkaon....
    Last edited by ketllac; 12-15-2011 at 04:46 PM.

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