Questions for the Atheists

[yanong_banikanhon]

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But why would you automatically conclude that I'd naturally assume an intelligent creator? I do not, and only because the current data tells me so...

That brings us back to my first question.

Can you share the data that prove beyond reasonable doubt that life comes from organic (but lifeless) chemical compound and the transformation from non-living to living was a random process without the aid of any intelligence?

Kun wala ka'y ikapakita nga current data nga maka-prove anang maong claim, bisan pa'g unsaon nimo'g palusot, faith ra gihapon ang basis sa imong pagka-agnostic/atheist. Nothing more, nothing less.

[rodsky]

That brings us back to my first question.

Can you share the data that prove beyond reasonable doubt that life comes from organic (but lifeless) chemical compound and the transformation from non-living to living was a random process without the aid of any intelligence?

Kun wala ka'y ikapakita nga current data nga maka-prove anang maong claim, bisan pa'g unsaon nimo'g palusot, faith ra gihapon ang basis sa imong pagka-agnostic/atheist. Nothing more, nothing less.

See why I have trouble trying to continue a "nice and friendly" discussion with the likes of you--tarong tanan akong tubag and then if you can't seem to find any leverage to pry your arguments into me, you start using terms like "palusot" as if to make my previous statement worthless to the reading public.

Like I said, the data is out there and available publicly, and based on my understanding and my ability to digest the available data, it makes sense and it's logical. If you fail to understand it then it's your problem, not mine. Don't put the burden of YOUR inability to understand on MY shoulders.

Then there are those people out there who actually WANT to make other people understand their views, and make it THEIR burden, and even use forceful means to do so...they are called evangelists. I'm not "evangelizing" atheism, and have no intent or wish to do so--I'm an atheist by choice, not by peer pressure--even if I'd be the only atheist in the world, it won't bother me at all. If someone becomes an atheist one day, then good for him, but I won't cry "Victory!" or similar yells--I could care less if he became a Zoroastronist-fire-walking-nailboard-sleeping-hippie--I'd say good for him too.

-RODION

[yanong_banikanhon]

Wala ko nag-ingon nga nagpalusot ka at this moment. Ang akong giingon nga KUN dili nimo mapakita kanang maong data unya dili nimo ma-demonstrate logically, then bisan pa'g unsaon nimo'g palusot, faith ra gihapon ang basis sa imong position.

So, hain man ang data nga maka-prove beyond reasonable doubt that life comes from organic (but lifeless) chemical compound and the transformation from non-living to living was a random process without the aid of any intelligence?

[rodsky]

Wala ko nag-ingon nga nagpalusot ka at this moment. Ang akong giingon nga KUN dili nimo mapakita kanang maong data unya dili nimo ma-demonstrate logically, then bisan pa'g unsaon nimo'g palusot, faith ra gihapon ang basis sa imong position.

So, hain man ang data nga maka-prove beyond reasonable doubt that life comes from organic (but lifeless) chemical compound and the transformation from non-living to living was a random process without the aid of any intelligence?

Your problem, not mine.

-RODION

[yanong_banikanhon]

Your problem, not mine.

-RODION

Inyoha ng claim so ang burden of proof sa inyoha pud. So, its your problem and it is a BIG problem. Public man kaha ng maong data, nganong dili man ninyo ma-demonstrate diri? Dili kaha patuo-tuo ra nang inyo?

[rodsky]

Inyoha ng claim so ang burden of proof sa inyoha pud. So, its your problem and it is a BIG problem. Public man kaha ng maong data, nganong dili man ninyo ma-demonstrate diri? Dili kaha patuo-tuo ra nang inyo?

Who said it was my claim? The data is out there. People can decide on two things--either to believe in it or not, but the methods that they do to arrive at a conclusion (i.e. the analytical tools and logical methods they apply) is their own and the effort to do so is their own. I've done my effort, and I'm satisfied. Don't make it appear as if I'm trying to convince everyone that this is the truth, because I am NOT. Do your homework--and if it doesn't work for you, so be it.

-RODION

[yanong_banikanhon]

Who said it was my claim? The data is out there.

WHERE ???

People can decide on two things--either to believe in it or not...

Asa lagi kanang maong data, para maka-decide pud mi? Public man kaha na, nganong dili man nimo mapakita diri?

[rodsky]

WHERE ???



Asa lagi kanang maong data, para maka-decide pud mi? Public man kaha na, nganong dili man nimo mapakita diri?

The way this conversation has been flowing, if I show you what convinced me that there is no intelligent designer (because there's a good probability you have seen it yet have already declared that it is inconclusive proof) would only lead you to conclude that I'm relying on "faith", and that you will then declare "Victory!" and say things like "See? Si rodsky mag sulti-sulti nga this data and that kay tells him that there is no intelligent design, but the data he has shown only proves that he's relying on faith--so tama ko--he's no different from religious people diay!" in this discussion. Go ahead, declare victory, doesn't matter to me anyways. I'm just content knowing that the way I digest the data is different from the way you digest it.

-RODION

[vipvip68]

That brings us back to my first question.

Can you share the data that prove beyond reasonable doubt that life comes from organic (but lifeless) chemical compound and the transformation from non-living to living was a random process without the aid of any intelligence?

Kun wala ka'y ikapakita nga current data nga maka-prove anang maong claim, bisan pa'g unsaon nimo'g palusot, faith ra gihapon ang basis sa imong pagka-agnostic/atheist. Nothing more, nothing less.

Na proven na man ni sa discovery channel. They made organic life artificially.

Scientists create artificial life in laboratory - Times Online

Big Bang > Galaxies > Planets

The presence of water along with the movement of waves caused the very first single celled organisms which evolved into us.

YouTube - ‪The Baby Universe: From Big Bang To Man (P1)‬‏
YouTube - ‪The Present Universe: From Big Bang To Man (P2)‬‏
YouTube - ‪Origin And Evolution Of Life: From Big Bang To Man (P3)‬‏
YouTube - ‪The First Humans: From Big Bang To Man (P4)‬‏


IF you are curious about the big bang itself ... I suggest you read up on Stephen Hawking's "The Grand Design"

Please take time to look at the info above so you'll know what we're talking about and we can be on the same page.

[treize]

Taasa na oi..

diri lang sa ko..

Na proven na man ni sa discovery channel. They made organic life artificially.

Scientists create artificial life in laboratory - Times Online

Wrong bro.. they haven't created life from lifeless chemicals/inorganic matter. They've only created another life using data from another life and inserted it in another life form... They've used bacteria, and bacteria is an organism, organism is a living thing.

Too many scientists tried to create life from a lifeless inorganic matter but all of them failed even though they already have all the ingredients... That really puzzled them for so long.. Try to read the link you presented...