The Roman Catholic Church~ Questions

[gazmembrane]

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some clays are used for special purposes, some for common use.. Does he have a way of escaping his fate? I don't think so. It's God's sovereign choice that's in play here. Romans 9 "For who is able to resist his will?".

Would it then be safe to say that following that reasoning, then no matter how much we resist or try harder in this life, it would be futile as there is already something willed upon us?

Why were we given a brain to think and decide when we have no way of escaping our fate?

Please enlighten me on this

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Judas escariot I guess was foreordain to become a traitor. If it is not his destiny could easily waived

same question as the foregoing

[NapoleonBlownapart]

Would it then be safe to say that following that reasoning, then no matter how much we resist or try harder in this life, it would be futile as there is already something willed upon us?

Why were we given a brain to think and decide when we have no way of escaping our fate?

Please enlighten me on this

Let's take Jonas as example, he resisted God's will but in the end he ended up doing it. We have "free will" in the sense that we have options which one to take, but then again we must understand that the ultimate will is God's will. What God decreed will happen. Your brains are there primarily to realize how great God's mercy and grace to those whom he chose to show it, and how terrible His anger and wrath to those He prepared for destruction (Romans 9). We must understand also that we are not the center of the universe but God is. All things are created by Him and for Him. So for all the things that God has said and done, all of it are for His glory.

[SioDenz]

Judas escariot I guess was foreordain to become a traitor. If it is not his destiny could easily waived

Then it defeats the idea of Freewill. God gave us freewill to choose, we can even choose not to believed in Him. So its a bit contradicting if Judas dont have any choice.

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Let's take Jonas as example, he resisted God's will but in the end he ended up doing it. We have "free will" in the sense that we have options which one to take, but then again we must understand that the ultimate will is God's will. What God decreed will happen. Your brains are there primarily to realize how great God's mercy and grace to those whom he chose to show it, and how terrible His anger and wrath to those He prepared for destruction (Romans 9). We must understand also that we are not the center of the universe but God is. All things are created by Him and for Him. So for all the things that God has said and done, all of it are for His glory.

so does it mean if God chooses you, you cant do anything?

[NapoleonBlownapart]

Then it defeats the idea of Freewill. God gave us freewill to choose, we can even choose not to believed in Him. So its a bit contradicting if Judas dont have any choice.

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so does it mean if God chooses you, you cant do anything?

That is sovereign will sio.. otherwise we cannot say God is in control. Read Romans 9. How can one be in control if an outcome is determined by someone else?

[gazmembrane]

Let's take Jonas as example, he resisted God's will but in the end he ended up doing it. We have "free will" in the sense that we have options which one to take, but then again we must understand that the ultimate will is God's will. What God decreed will happen. Your brains are there primarily to realize how great God's mercy and grace to those whom he chose to show it, and how terrible His anger and wrath to those He prepared for destruction (Romans 9). We must understand also that we are not the center of the universe but God is. All things are created by Him and for Him. So for all the things that God has said and done, all of it are for His glory.

I see your point. I just thought that it seems a bit unfair that if I/you were in Judas's shoes, from the moment you were born, you were already set for destruction and there is no way for you to save your soul because it was "God's will" for you to become a traitor

[NapoleonBlownapart]

I see your point. I just thought that it seems a bit unfair that if I/you were in Judas's shoes, from the moment you were born, you were already set for destruction and there is no way for you to save your soul because it was "God's will" for you to become a traitor

Yes, it is unfortunate for someone to be in his shoe. That's why Jesus said "The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him. But woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man! It would be better for him if he had not been born.".

[SioDenz]

Yes, it is unfortunate for someone to be in his shoe. That's why Jesus said "The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him. But woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man! It would be better for him if he had not been born.".

But is there any Prophecy that Judas will betray Jesus? or Judas is pre selected by Jesus/God?

what i remember is that Jesus was prophesied to come and die but not exactly who will responsible.

So if Judas was not prophesied then is it safe to say that Judas has the freewill to change what have happened?

[NapoleonBlownapart]

But is there any Prophecy that Judas will betray Jesus? or Judas is pre selected by Jesus/God?

what i remember is that Jesus was prophesied to come and die but not exactly who will responsible.

So if Judas was not prophesied then is it safe to say that Judas has the freewill to change what have happened?

You want prophecies that name names? wa jud ka makit-an ana sio even the name "Jesus" wala sa prophecy pero kabalo ta nga siya ang katumanan ato na prophecy tungod sa mga panghitabo.. same with Judas.

[noy]

kumusta mo nganhi mga braders ug sisters? murag taas2x na jud inyong topic dah..di na ta ka subay..hehehe..

share lang pud ko gamay, with God being omniscient, of course He knew that Judas would betray Him but this doesn't necessarily mean that He chose Judas to Sin or betray Him. Judas' betrayal was a matter of his own freewill and conscience..
at the time of the betrayal, it just so happened that it was Judas who was carrying that spirit of betrayal but in reality it could be any of them really..depende sa consensya sa matag disipolo ni Hesus..or kinsay magpadala sa kontra
hadn't Judas Iscariot betrayed Jesus, someone else would.
in similar case, Judas taking his own life out of guilt is also a matter of his own freewill and conscience.

whenever we sin, we sin in our own accord and not because God has chosen us to do so.
God however calls ALL sinners to repent and be reconciled with Him through Christ..even Judas Iscariot..
mao lang,naghikog siya..whether Judas is saved or not, Ginoo ra jud ang nahibaw.

[noy]

“God is not a divine being or a magician, but the Creator who brought everything to life,” - Pope Francis.. hmmn.. unsay ikasulti ninyo ani?

in context, mao niy gisulti ni Pope Francis bai Nap

“When we read about Creation in Genesis, we run the risk of imagining God was a magician, with a magic wand able to do everything. But that is not so. . .

“He created human beings and let them develop according to the internal laws that he gave to each one so they would reach their fullfilment. . .

“The Big Bang, which today we hold to be the origin of the world, does not contradict the intervention of the divine creator but, rather, requires it. . .

“God is not a divine being or a magician, but the Creator who brought everything to life. . .

“Evolution in nature is not inconsistent with the notion of creation, because evolution requires the creation of beings that evolve.”

notice that pope francis started with "When we read about Creation in Genesis, we run the risk of imagining God was a magician, with a magic wand able to do everything. " with the term magician, this points out to the definition of the word magician in its simplest form. as if God just do/place/create stuff whenever and however He wants to or whatever He pleases regardless if it defies the Law of Nature/Divine Law or not..just like what magicians portray when executing their tricks..or when a genie or a fairy god mother grants wishes or some sort of hokus pokus and abra kadabra!....Lol , instead God ingited the first cause as the prime movement of the long and massive series of causes and effects from the unknown elementary particles that turned into the universe and ultimately Life as we know it today and with His divine purpose and guidance, let creation unfold naturally in accordance with the Laws of nature He Himself laid over.

--of course we can all agree that the Christian God would not disregard His own laws for the sake of doing what He wants to be done. otherwise, God would have saved us all directly..magically erased all our sins without having to sacrifice His own Son ultimately disregarding divine law on forgiveness of sins.
or perhaps, He wouldn't have allowed us to make wrong choices to naturally learn this Life's lessons from the consequences of our actions.

The Pope is merely expressing his belief in Scientific Accounts not contradicting with Biblical accounts on creation. as a creationist, the Pope is expressing his theistic evolutionism view on creation. The Roman Catholic Church also holds the same point of view towards origins as well.

now, with God not being a divine being given the explanation above about creation and magic, i think it's pretty self-explanatory what Pope Francis was trying to say when Pope Francis equates "divine being" with "magician" when he said "God is not a divine being OR a magician"
what the Pope said does not point out to the idea that the he(the Pope)does not recognize or acknowledge God's Divinity or Divine Nature. instead, he rejects the view on God as some sort of magician that's all..this divine being he speaks of being equated to that of a magician clearly does not point out to the divinity of the God who created the Heavens, the author of Life, the beginning and the end etc..'cause after all, demons who do have the power to grant wishes magically are also divine beings.
Finally, if the Pope really did renounce God's divinity he wouldn't have concluded that God is the Creator that brought all things to Life in which in itself a "Divine" act.

personally, God is not a magician. instead He is a miracle worker.
and miracles does not necessarily always fall under the magical category it could be something that unfolds naturally. Creation in itself is one humongous miracle.
acceptance of cosmological and biological Evolution doesn't have to be an insult to God's omnipotence rather it is a confirmation that God, in His Omnipotence can freely choose whatever process He uses to create and as far as scientific accounts/study is concerned He chose to let creation unfold naturally with the guiding laws of nature He has set.