MERGED: Vigilantism and related issues

[n`gel]

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But then again, i wonder if they really have that strong conviction to eliminate criminals, why don't they kill trapos?

[fingolfin]

Cebu has never had so many murders in the streets either. Some peace that is. The peace of the dead maybe.

.. huh ?? murders?? is that the only crime that you consider for Cebu to make drastic actions ?? The vigilantes spurted out when Cebu was a crime zone; hold-ups, snatching, illegal gambling and drugs were as visible as the sun and there was no sign of them slowing down. When the V's came, there was a very big down curve on our cities crime rate

[imverydumb1]

Cebu has never had so many murders in the streets either. Some peace that is. The peace of the dead maybe.

I've read 2 incidents in last Saturdays newspaper and the criminals involved are both from Zamboanga. Kuyaw na di-ay ni ang Cebu kay gi pang import man ang mga badlongon diri. Bag-o sab ni nga modus da. Siguro mga priniso ni didto unya dad-on diri para mang holdap.

[jugs_06]

.. huh ?? murders?? is that the only crime that you consider for Cebu to make drastic actions ?? The vigilantes spurted out when Cebu was a crime zone; hold-ups, snatching, illegal gambling and drugs were as visible as the sun and there was no sign of them slowing down. When the V's came, there was a very big down curve on our cities crime rate

...and resorting to Vigilante-style killing is the only solution.

[Dayuhan]

I am somewhere between this. Vigilante killings do strike terror on criminals and hopefully would turn them off. However, there's been alot of people getting killed by vigilantes that were of mistaken identity. I often think the vigalantes are part of the problem, and that vigilantism is merely one way for some crooks to take away human life.

[n`gel]

...and resorting to Vigilante-style killing is the only solution.

Unfortunately and as painful as it is to see our country's government and our justice system all rotten and almost useless, when criminals die it is beneficial to the majority. Most families of victims of henious crimes feel a bit of gratification, they contently and eagerly await the judge punishment for the criminal, the harsher the punishment, the better justice is served.

However some may find vigilantism wrong but the fact that our society becomes safer (i say this because vigilantes are naturally feared kay mopatay gyud na sila ug gusto mopatay lay duha-duha, basta madungog gani nga naay vigilante mga criminals kay mo kuko wahehe) that fear is instilled in everyone and is scared to do crime again. But the thing is, crime is not a problem that can be solved or guarded overnight. Hardly do they exist long enough to be there at all times. Tukar-tukar. La lang gihapo'y pulos.

And so ya jugs... it's not a solution, not a permanent one too.

[jugs_06]

@n`gel:

i am and was always against vigilantism because i believe, and I’ve been repeating this over and over again in this thread, that taking other people’s lives is an act of crime itself.. i don’t care if it’s being acted upon by vigilantes or someone with authority.. killing is killing.. simple as that..

blaming our ALL ROTTEN AND ALMOST USELESS justice system is not enough reason for someone to hire a killer and kill your next door neighbor who killed your relative.. with the vigilantes all spread-out and rampant, it just shows how vulnerable we are to these dangers of killings and i bet you don’t want your friend to be another innocent vigilante victim..

someone might say heck, if you’ve been a victim i bet you would feel the sympathy of those who have experienced being a victim first-hand.. i still believe in due process though (atot, cge lng ko balik2x aning due process).. every crime committed deserves a fair trial and punishment to such a degree that all existing evidences are presented, everything are questioned as to why this guy killed who and where..

d kay siguraduhon nimo nga xa ang nipatay nya patyon sad dayon nimo..

[fingolfin]

...and resorting to Vigilante-style killing is the only solution.

... we really have no choice but to accept this solution. The judicial system is still corrupt.

[Dayuhan]

When it comes to justice, there is always another way.

[n`gel]

i don’t care if it’s being acted upon by vigilantes or someone with authority.. killing is killing.. simple as that..

And yes, Arroyo signed a law to abolish death penalty.

blaming our ALL ROTTEN AND ALMOST USELESS justice system is not enough reason for someone to hire a killer and kill your next door neighbor who killed your relative..

I've been thinking about this part very deliberately and let's not confuse vigilantism and hired-killers. A vigilante like I said has a great cause... they kill criminals (and very bad criminals too) to bring justice in their own hands, they're extreme activists and has given up, or probably didn't even exercise advocacy. However, a hired killer whose style of killings are of vigilantes is a hired-killer (all propaganda from powerful people who want somebody dead i believe) is a hitman not a vigilante. Where's the cause for a vigilante to be bribed by money to kill criminals, siya pud mismo magpa corrupt, i don't think it makes sense.

with the vigilantes all spread-out and rampant, it just shows how vulnerable we are to these dangers of killings and i bet you don’t want your friend to be another innocent vigilante victim..

Vigilantes kill criminals of henious crimes. Yours is what I call "hired killing" because innocent people are killed too. There's no sense in that either. Vigilantes are a veracious quintessence of how disheartening our justice system in our country is. Real powerful criminals hide behind vigilantism to have somebody killed and not get much fuss about it. I think there's somethingelse goin on out there.