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[internasyonalista]

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I agree with all your points. Parehas diay ta--I too, envision a purer form of communism. However, I am a hypocrite. For if I were to be a true believer and practitioner of the pure form of communism which I do admire, I have to stop just talking here, and actually do something about it--action is what matters, not talk. And for that, I am ashamed of myself.

talking is also part of participatinmg in the raising of consciousness of the proletariat. but i agree with you, talking is not enough. we must act and participate in the proletarian struggle. para sa akoa, ang pinaka-maayo nga pagsalmot sa pakigbisog karon mao ang theoretical clarification through study circles with the workers, exposing the fake communists and explaining to them the real nature of capitalism and its bankcrupcy and the real nature of communism.

sa pag-apil sa proletarian struggle, explaining to them the sabotage that are doing by the leftists and the correct forms and content of struggle. but we cannot do that if we ourselves arre not equipt of the lessons of the international proletarian struugles for more than 200 years.

[diatabz]

Communism in theory is well, flawless I daresay. But, it ignores one very important factor. Human Nature.

[rodsky]

But, it ignores one very important factor. Human Nature.

In my opinion, if the rest of humanity keep thinking like you do, then humanity is doomed to extinction. Which brings me to another point--do you want the human race to become extinct? Or better yet, do you even care if it becomes extinct or not?

I do care. I don't want to deny my descendants the fun and exhilarating experience of playing hockey on Enceladus.

-RODION

[The_Child]

I agree with all your points. Parehas diay ta--I too, envision a purer form of communism. However, I am a hypocrite. For if I were to be a true believer and practitioner of the pure form of communism which I do admire, I have to stop just talking here, and actually do something about it--action is what matters, not talk. And for that, I am ashamed of myself.

-RODION

p.s Bertolucci's The Dreamers reflects this kind of attitude. Its a nice watch.

[diatabz]

In my opinion, if the rest of humanity keep thinking like you do, then humanity is doomed to extinction.

Well I doubt that.

Am I supposed to believe that through Marxism, a new mankind emerges from socio economic change? Homo Superior? Sure, humans might be emancipated politically, but that doesn't change the fact that an individual will always have self interest and an urge to want more. Is it a flaw? Maybe, maybe not. In my opinion that's the essence of being human.

I put my money on democracy. Yes, it has its share of f***ups but mankind has a way of learning from it's mistakes, be it by the blunders of politicians or the blood of the people.

[rodsky]

Well I doubt that.

Am I supposed to believe that through Marxism, a new mankind emerges from socio economic change? Homo Superior? Sure, humans might be emancipated politically, but that doesn't change the fact that an individual will always have self interest and an urge to want more. Is it a flaw? Maybe, maybe not. In my opinion that's the essence of being human.

I put my money on democracy. Yes, it has its share of f***ups but mankind has a way of learning from it's mistakes, be it by the blunders of politicians or the blood of the people.

The "urge to want more" stems from the animalistic urge to survive--it's a natural mechanism. If you think this way, then to you, humans are nothing more than animals, to which I strongly disagree--the very reason we have developed intelligence is because we want to analyze why things are the way they are, as contrasted to a dog who merely wants to graw at his bone.

I'm not saying that communism is superior to democracy, or the other way around. Heck I don't even want to label this concept as communism or whatnot--I'm simply describing a point in human history, sometime in the future (though I hope not too distant a future), wherein we as a species, can grasp the real essence of being human--the appreciation of why we were given the power of analytical thought and creativity, as elegantly described by Richard Feynman...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Sk8TVopOBGE

Unlike you, I do not think it is impossible.

-RODION

[internasyonalista]

Communism in theory is well, flawless I daresay. But, it ignores one very important factor. Human Nature.

you are wrong my friend... greed, selfishness, exploitation is nor part of human nature but from the environment where humans are living. as marxists, we call it historical materialism.

by the way, communism is closely link to workers emanicpation from exploitaion. the only class that is interested to communism is the working class....

today is International Labor Day. we must bear in mind that the history of Labor Day is the history of workers struggles against capitalism, for the establishment of communist society

[giddyboy]

you are wrong my friend... greed, selfishness, exploitation is nor part of human nature but from the environment where humans are living. as marxists, we call it historical materialism.

by the way, communism is closely link to workers emanicpation from exploitaion. the only class that is interested to communism is the working class....

today is International Labor Day. we must bear in mind that the history of Labor Day is the history of workers struggles against capitalism, for the establishment of communist society

I think you wrongly credited the origins of the Int'l Labour Day as due to the establishment of "communist" society. Murag lagpas ra kau na.

As wikipedia stated, Labour Day is an annual holiday celebrated all over the world that resulted from efforts of the labour union movement(see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Day), to celebrate the economic and social achievements of workers.

The celebration of Labour Day has its origins in the eight hour day movement, which advocated eight hours for work, eight hours for recreation, and eight hours for rest. On 21 April 1856 Stonemasons and building workers on building sites around Melbourne, Australia, stopped work and marched from the University of Melbourne to Parliament House to achieve an eight hour day. Their direct action protest was a success, and they are noted as the first organized workers in the world to achieve an eight hour day with no loss of pay, which subsequently inspired the celebration of Labour Day and May Day.

While this is a good topic, all i can say is that this is limited to academic study only, and not the real "what ifs" application in the Phil. setting. Besides, we are now in the democratic form of gov't. IMHO, it is way much better if we discuss "democracy". Why? Because we are in it...And I'm pretty sure a lot of people are still having the "common" concept of communism in the phils and those following it as anti-government. Take the CPP-NPA for example. Kinsa gud intawon ang ganahan ma komunista atoang gobyerno? Only the CPP-NPA.

Now karon, atoa kunong ibalik ang pangutana: "Angay bang kahadlokan ang komunismo?" Unsa may pasabot anang pangutanaa?

Komunismo as an idea or definition of a gov't system, or, as something followed by a few Filipinos? kung definition ra like sa dictionary, wala nay kahadlokan. Sa libro or papel ra man na...Pero kung moingon ta anang kanang nga tawo nga nituo sa komunismo, naay koy dakong worry. Nganu man? Kinsa man ning mga tawhana nga "officially" nituo ug nigamit ani? di ba mga CPP-NPA? unya unsa man ning CPP-NPA, di ba mga "insurgents"? US of A even described these groups as "terror groups". Ang komunismo nga version sa NPA hilabihan ning kontra sa atoang gobyerno.

Sa laktod nga istorya, kung naay mutuo aning komunismo, di ba mura sab posible nga nituo totally or partially (or padung pa) what the NPA's ideals are? Mao nay nka delikado...

"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries. Generally, Democracy’s seem be more successful economically."---Winston Churchill

[fingolfin]

..nope, communism is actually good and fruitful for a nation. Given the right leaders to govern, but having said that, it won't work here in the corrupt-laden leaders in the philippines

[giddyboy]

..nope, communism is actually good and fruitful for a nation. Given the right leaders to govern, but having said that, it won't work here in the corrupt-laden leaders in the philippines

Any form of gov't is good if applied properly, honestly, and wisely. Democracy is the same as good and fruitful given the right leaders to govern.

Do u think communist states don't have their share of corruption also? Do u think changing our form of gov't to communism will erase corruption from the face of the earth? There is even no true existing communist country for crying out loud...

Im saying this coz your statement make it look like that communism is the best answer to our economic and political woes. It's far from that.

Anyways, let's cut this "communism" crap...mura kog kasukaon.