FRAT WAR...THREAT TO PEACE

[JoRed]

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The irony of it all is the hypocrisy of espousing brotherhood of all men & yet, behaving like little boys! Very trivial. Guys, there are more pressing issues on hand than that pride & macho thingy. Rise above all these challenges as men of noble endeavor. You have taken the oath. Now, LIVE the solemn promise.

Like you know the INS and OUT of FRATERNITIES and you talk like one ..... I think that is more CHILDISH and being a LITTLE BOY .

You still don't get it, do you? What I'm asking you to do is to be a Skeptron of SUBSTANCE not in mere form.

[LytSlpr]

LytSlpr nindot kaayo paminawon ang imong gipasalig sa amo-a, but unsa ma'y nahitabo after ana? 5 ang na igo sa among membro hasta intawon tong usa ka brod namo nga ning-in active na gidaginot pa gyud ninyo ug bira didto sa likod sa SWU. Bai LytSlpr tubaga ko kung apil ba ni sa inyong plano kadtong nag-leadership training seminar kunohay mo?Â* Sa panahon nga among gihatag ninyo para unta mahusay ning atong gubot diri sa Cebu, Inyoha man hinuong gi-take advantage aron motira sa among mga membro.Â* Â*Bai ayaw na i-depensa ang imong bakak kay matud pa sa mga insik " Daghang Sulti, Daghang Sayop."

Kung nag duda ka nako personally, mao na lang ni huna-hunaa bai, magpaka mura kaha ko ug buang ug sulti ana diri kung gi condone to sa kadaghanan? It's either I'm stupid or I'm crazy.Â* It's that simple!

Moreover, ayaw ko storyahi anang na igo imong ig-agaw kay wala ra na sa experience nako. Ang importante nga nakakita ko sa mas taas na kaayuhan.Â* Kung mo balos na imong ig-agaw, aw pareho ra sad siya sa ni tira niya.Â* Pakihaa sila, kay kung magpaka hero siya, samot nga di ni ma-undang.Â*

Mao bitaw na atong dako na problema, tanan tawo puro actor, puro personalidad.Â* Simple ra kaayo, kung na-igo, naay pulis, naa sa'y korte.Â* Unsa ma'y makuha nato anang balos? Unya dili pa gyud ang ni tira ang gi balosan. Di ba dako kaayo ng kagaguhan ug tinonto?!Â*

Ang problema gyud IMO nganong di ganahan mo kiha kay dugay, gasto ug di maka-control sa kalagot ug dumot. Unya kung walay mo sugod ani, usa ni sa rason nganong di gyud ma sulbad ang gubot diri sa cebu.

by the way applicable ni sa duha ka grupo

[Dgreat_Latin_luvr]

Bai LytSlpr ngano man gud dili tika pwede storya-an about sa nahitabo sa akong ig-agaw nga inyoha mang mga Alumni ug membro sa CTAO ang ningplano ug ningtira nya., sulti-i ko nganong dli man tika pwede storyahan nga makigkita man pud aning mga tawhana?Â* Dayon nanghambog paka sa imong na experience, unsa man? Kadtong gipusil angÂ* imong sakyanan didto gawas sa Cebu Doc? Dayon pagka-ugma nanghambog paka nga wala ka-igo tong namusil ninyo. Bai ayaw ko pasakya sa imong mga STOR-BOT kay dili na mo epek nako, ayaw'g kalimot bai nga kaila baya ko nimo. Magduwa pa ka ug dam-pa ug magsakay2x pa ka sa merry go round diha dapit sa soccer field sa eskwelahan ninyo. Ako nagpalig-on na sa pangalan sa AKRHO sa Cebu, maongÂ* magstorya ta ug tinu-od diri bai, bahala'g dugay basta tinu-od.

LytSlpr, sakto ka nga layo ra gyud ang na experience nimo sa akong ig-agaw, kay ikaw ningtago man ka sa imong sakyanan, mao tong wala ka ma -igo. Kumpara nya ning gawas man cya sa sakyananÂ* ug 5 ka bala ang ningbulit sa iyahang lawas. Salamat sa ginoo kay nabuhi cya kay aron mahatagan ug hustisya kadtong nahitabo sa iyaha. Dayon kinsa man ang ba-nga? Ingna si Mateo nga sa kadugay nya sa serbesyo nagdunganan nalang na sila ug ka Alumni sa iyahang anak nga si Pascual Dayonyor, SPO1 gihapon na iyahang ranggo. PULIS PATOLA!

Btw, bai LytSlpr wala ko ninghisgot about mo baws ug tira ang akong ig-agaw, suma bah na-a bana sa akong post ang baws? Amo-a gyud nang ipadayon ang keha ug dad-on na namo sila sa korte.Â* Bai LytSlpr wala gihapon ko nimo tubaga sa akong pangutana kung apil bana sa inyong plano ang tirahon ang akong ig-agaw kadtong nag-leadership training seminar kunohay mo? Tubaga ko sa tinu-od ana bai ug timan-i ra gud ang akong tambag nimo nga. Gamay'ng storya, gamay'ng sayop. Daghang storya, daghang sayop.

TRUTH CONQUERS ALL!!!

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

You still don't get it, do you? What I'm asking you to do is to be a Skeptron of SUBSTANCE not in mere form.

OFF TOPIC -Â* Thats is the whole point , you are " ASKING " to be of substance to be a SKEPTRON or TRISKELION in mere form . It is easily said than done and there you are talking about it like you understand it . Might as well address that to your so called rebel brothers kuno , they might see a light at the end of the tunnel being addressed as good Christians and honest citizens of the Philippines instead of being an armed struggler for a nonsense war .

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

@ LYTSLPR .... naa lang ko i dungag .....

Kung nag duda ka nako personally, mao na lang ni huna-hunaa bai, magpaka mura kaha ko ug buang ug sulti ana diri kung gi condone to sa kadaghanan? It's either I'm stupid or I'm crazy. It's that simple!

Wala ka dudahi kay in the first place wala unta mi mo communicate nimo . Ang amo-a lang is wake up , open your eyes and ears and ayaw na sila tabuni . Remember your OPEN LETTER for the MMRC and to your 4 founding fathers ? DI ba suko kaau ka ato kay ngano wala mo tabangi sa Cebu na hapit namo mahurot diha during the time na init kaau to . You are also guilty of it , an idea was planned and executed but with minor discrepencies and I say a little bit successful of the outcome compared to what happened prior to that PEACE PACT . " Nauubos na kami dito , ang kukupal ninyo ! " were your last words if I am not mistaken .

Mao bitaw na atong dako na problema, tanan tawo puro actor, puro personalidad. Simple ra kaayo, kung na-igo, naay pulis, naa sa'y korte. Unsa ma'y makuha nato anang balos? Unya dili pa gyud ang ni tira ang gi balosan. Di ba dako kaayo ng kagaguhan ug tinonto?!

Bai sayop ka , gamay ra kaau ang ACTORS , daghan ang DIRECTORS hinuon w/c are the ALUMNIS . Unsay makuha ana balos ? Makabawi sa garbo sama sa gi buhat ni PASCUAL ug PEREZ na mga inila na respetado sa inyong grupo sa Cebu .

Ang problema gyud IMO nganong di ganahan mo kiha kay dugay, gasto ug di maka-control sa kalagot ug dumot. Unya kung walay mo sugod ani, usa ni sa rason nganong di gyud ma sulbad ang gubot diri sa cebu.

Dili ang point ang KIHA , DUMOT , GASTO , CONTROL etc unsa pa na bai .... ang punto is ngano MANGHILABOT man gyud mo ? Kung mo deny ka na MO , then ang TGP .

by the way applicable ni sa duha ka grupo

Indeed , pero we havent heard nor experienced any animosities for quite awhile mao naka ingon ko na little bit successful gyud ang PEACE PACT . But then the VIOLENCE lately was carried out by your ALUMNI member themselves . Mo deny na pod ka ani , tubaga lang ko ug YES or NO , nagkaistorya ba mo ni PEREZ and PASCUAL lately about it ?

[LytSlpr]

1] I still remember that letter. If you have all those data then I presume you know our status. That was a wake up call for the MMRC people. Not an encouragement for retaliation. I know you know what I mean.

2] I guarantee you this, di daghan ang so called directors. Mas daghan gyud ug ganahan ug peace. For the same reasons I mentioned before.

3] Di ko mo deny ana bai spring but if ang TGP to in general di lang unta to ka-lima na successive, di ba? makes sense? Would you even consider it na coincidence? If you remember right, AFAIK, after the peace pact sagunson sad mo, 2 ramos, 2 minglanilla, 1 USC but wala mi ni retaliate. Anyhow, there is no point discussing this anymore.

4] As I've said, we are very saddened by this at least sa among grupo sa TGP because the fact that their names were involved, guilty [at leat not yet] or not guilty. Di gyud mo tuo ang kadaghanan because what is said in the newspaper seems otherwise. This is where our conversations I hope will come into play.

Right now, we are doing damage control. As I've said bai do what you think is FAIR & BEST for ALL. I know how it feels at your side right now with the current situation.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

1] I still remember that letter. If you have all those data then I presume you know our status. That was a wake up call for the MMRC people. Not an encouragement for retaliation. I know you know what I mean.

Yes I do thats why I ASSUME a lot of theories existed to why TGP is doing the so called HITS ," survival of the fittest baga" . I dont know how true it is but then the letter is intended for the betterment of TGP or in general ? Because we all know that it was claimed by TGP that you have stronghold all over the Philippines except for the Queen City of the South , CEBU . As long as CEBU is a stronghold of AKP then by all means as to my understanding based on the documents I have from you guys are all strategies to topple us so you guys can freely say you are the SUPREME FRATERNITY and it never happened because of Cebu . That makes sense to me because retaliation is supposed to be our actions after SInulog 2001 and not for TGP . Kami ang AGRABYADO bai in short dili ang TGP , ni sukod lang mo sa baws mao naka ingon mo na agrabyado mo .

2] I guarantee you this, di daghan ang so called directors. Mas daghan gyud ug ganahan ug peace. For the same reasons I mentioned before.

We are talking about bai the ACTORS and DIRECTORS with a hint of PRODUCERS too , not the peace loving members . Of course kinsa gud ang di ganahan ug peace but then you cant achieve peace if there is no war . Thats is why we always tell you guys , if you want peace we can give you peace and if you want war we'll give you hell .

3] Di ko mo deny ana bai spring but if ang TGP to in general di lang unta to ka-lima na successive, di ba? makes sense? Would you even consider it na coincidence? If you remember right, AFAIK, after the peace pact sagunson sad mo, 2 ramos, 2 minglanilla, 1 USC but wala mi ni retaliate. Anyhow, there is no point discussing this anymore.

As what youve said , digging old wounds is not good but then 5 HITS in less than a month ? Daghan na na siya bai .... FATALITIES pa gyud . Funny thing is , all hits were COORDINATED VIGILANTE style aron limpyo sa kamot dayon . That is my whole point , so kinsa man diay ang nag plano ana naka MOTOR and gamit ug .38 and .45 ? Ok if di ang CTAO then I pressume the MCRC ? Unsay baho sa inyong pinaka JUNIOR na brod will reflect to the most SENIOR brod too , thats what happened to us remember ?

You are right , there is no point of discussing it anymore , you will lay down your cards and I will lay mine . Walay kahumanan because some incidents are not published in the news so who will believe ?

4] As I've said, we are very saddened by this at least sa among grupo sa TGP because the fact that their names were involved, guilty [at leat not yet] or not guilty. Di gyud mo tuo ang kadaghanan because what is said in the newspaper seems otherwise. This is where our conversations I hope will come into play.

Yes , not GUILTY in court yet kay next month pa man ang kaso bai but then the night they commited the crime , SOBRA pa sa GUILTY kay nailhan man .... wala cguroy practice si SPO1 sa range na . ANyways , trust me .... he and perez will be safer in jail realistically and walay mapagan ani because ang daghan na ang ga practice sa range literally bai . reality check lang ni ako-a but then who knows maluoy pa diay sila if honest sa korte si Pascual and Perez .

Right now, we are doing damage control. As I've said bai do what you think is FAIR & BEST for ALL. I know how it feels at your side right now with the current situation.

Exactly , ang di lang nako madawat kay ngano nag apil-apil ang alumni . Sa korte na lang gyud ta tanan ani mag agi and hope for the best of PASCUAL and PEREZ ..... largo tanan , hutdanay ug kwarta or hutdanay ug bala for those 2 , silay pili asa sila komportable .

[LytSlpr]

Yes I do thats why I ASSUME a lot of theories existed to why TGP is doing the so called HITS ," survival of the fittest baga" . I dont know how true it is but then the letter is intended for the betterment of TGP or in general ? Because we all know that it was claimed by TGP that you have stronghold all over the Philippines except for the Queen City of the South , CEBU . As long as CEBU is a stronghold of AKP then by all means as to my understanding based on the documents I have from you guys are all strategies to topple us so you guys can freely say you are the SUPREME FRATERNITY and it never happened because of Cebu . That makes sense to me because retaliation is supposed to be our actions after SInulog 2001 and not for TGP . Kami ang AGRABYADO bai in short dili ang TGP , ni sukod lang mo sa baws mao naka ingon mo na agrabyado mo.

Regarding this bai, I guess you know our tenets and codes of conduct by now and the supreme there is not by "balwarte" but by quality of each member.Â* We can always co-exist.Â* Man is brother unto man. Naa man na ngadto. So di ni mao ang interpretation sa supreme didto.

Just one question, since TGP was first in Cebu why do you think that there was not trouble here until AKP existed? We cannot also say that other big fraternities here in Cebu were "under" us during those times. I believe we co-existed with them.Â* Couldn't it be by the questionable creed, "KILL TAU GAMMA PHI!" whether true or not but was definitely, popularly and effectively passed around and unfortunately were embraced by many?

Is it not possible that all the animosity and violence really started from there?Â* Despite denials this continually haunts us and echoes until this day. Just look at those huge grafittis all around the city saying "KILL TGP!" just like our predicament, bisan dili na officially sanctioned ninyo but your members are doing it and believe it.

[agoiNerz]

here we go again... another cover up... answer our question 5 fatal hits in less than a month... is that a coincedence?

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

Regarding this bai, I guess you know our tenets and codes of conduct by now and the supreme there is not by "balwarte" but by quality of each member. We can always co-exist. Man is brother unto man. Naa man na ngadto. So di ni mao ang interpretation sa supreme didto.

Â* Â*Everyone knows your tenets and coc bai .. even grade schoolers recite those for what reason I dont know literally . Ok , you are saying MAN is BOTHER unto MAN , SPO1 Pascual violated that sacred tenet right ? Are we gonna see an ex SPO1 Mateo Pascual soon being impeached by the CTAO for disgracing the name of TGP ? You can say what you want bai regarding being supreme or unsa pa na , naa na siya sa akong alimpulo na . Nangaraan nako ana whom I believed what started all these chaos in Cebu fro SInulog 2001 . Period , nothing more and nothing less .

Just one question, since TGP was first in Cebu why do you think that there was not trouble here until AKP existed? We cannot also say that other big fraternities here in Cebu were "under" us during those times. I believe we co-existed with them. Couldn't it be by the questionable creed, "KILL TAU GAMMA PHI!" whether true or not but was definitely, popularly and effectively passed around and unfortunately were embraced by many?

Â* Â* Â* It is not a matter of who came first . FYI , AKP was chartered in Cebu by 7 pioneers from SWU back in 1977 . ( KILL TGP )Those are only word of the streets and has no basis at all as creed or mottos etc. Hagbay ra mo nahurot ug tinuod gyud na , Manila pa gud ning gubota as I will say it over and over again . Wala lang madawat ni Ordinario unsay AKP-CEBU mao ugat sa tanan gubot.

Is it not possible that all the animosity and violence really started from there? Despite denials this continually haunts us and echoes until this day. Just look at those huge grafittis all around the city saying "KILL TGP!" just like our predicament, bisan dili na officially sanctioned ninyo but your members are doing it and believe it.

Â* Â* Bai dili because before that KILL TGP existed , namira nako ug mga brod nimo ug nabirahan sad koÂ* kadtong bag-o pa ko sa grupo . After that KILL TGP existed , puro binirahay lang gihapon and not till SInulog 2001 na nagpagwapohay na ug armas ug pa ngigo-ay . SO therefore I dont believe that KILL TGP is the ingredient of violence as to your claims . Bai just help na lang in solving these problems by getting rid of SPO1 Mateo Pascual and John Perez and let them suffer the consequences , hutdan namo ug rason ug palusot bai .