Porgartoryo

[rand_althor]

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ang purgatoryo purgahanan ra na. banyo kuno na sa gawas sa langit. usa daw ka musulod sa ganghaan sa langit purgahon usa ka kay hugaw daw ka, sa ato pa murag iro na gi-quarantine diha sa port area. maghulat pa kag 3weeks usa nimo makuha imo iro kay tingali naay rabies na madala sa isla ug matakdan unya ang uban pang iro.

di siguro sila gusto ma-contaminated ang langit bro noh.. hahahaha.
ngiga ani oi.. magtukod pud ta na sila ug starbucks ngadto entrance sa langit bro.. para naa waiting area ba.. basig dili nya ta kasulod sa langit, maau na lng nakakape ta sa tapad.. hahahaha

[rcruman]

After his death and before his resurrection, Christ visited those experiencing the limbo of the Fathers and preached to them the good news that heaven would now be opened to them (1 Pet. 3:19). These people thus were not in heaven, but neither were they experiencing the torments of hell.
The Bible does teach that purgatory exists, even if it doesn’t use that word and even if 1 Peter 3:19 refers to a place other than purgatory.
Christ refers to the sinner who "will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come" (Matt. 12:32), suggesting that one can be freed after death of the consequences of one’s sins.

are you sure that its "human/people" whom Christ visited in 1 Peter 3:19?

32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
Matthew 12:32.
based on your statement above you've said "Christ refers to the sinner, suggesting that one can be freed after the death of the consequences of one's sins. How come can be freed? The verse clearly shows that a word speaketh against the Holy Ghost can't be forgiven while a word against the Son of Man (Christ) can be forgiven.
The next question who will give forgiveness and who will ask for forgiveness?
Is it your relatives that was left in the living world and will just offer a mass (special or regular)?
So in this case all of people who believed in PUrgatory will just do sins here on earth and their relatives will just pray for them or pay a mass (special or regular)?

The Catechism of the Catholic Church defines purgatory as a "purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven," which is experienced by those "who die in God’s grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven" (CCC 1030). It notes that "this final purification of the elect . . . is entirely different from the punishment of the damned" (CCC 1031).

What's your basis about this "Imperfectly Purified"? Who set the standards of this matter?
You mean to say that there's no chance that we can be purified or imperfectly purified here on earth or while we're alive? So what's the point of Christ Commanding His disciples to?:

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Matthew 28:19-20

Christ didn't say that you will just pray your dead love ones so that you can be perfectly purified.
With your statement/basis above just clearly shows that Gospel is not enough for purification or salvation.
But apostle Paul said:

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Romans 1:16

Similarly, Paul tells us that, when we are judged, each man’s work will be tried. And what happens if a righteous man’s work fails the test? "He will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire" (1 Cor 3:15). Now this loss, this penalty, can’t refer to consignment to hell, since no one is saved there; and heaven can’t be meant, since there is no suffering ("fire") there. The Catholic doctrine of purgatory alone explains this passage.

Bro in 1 Corinthians 3:15 its not the physical man or the physical body will be burned.
here read again the verse(just read also verse 14):
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
1 Corinthians 3:14-15
so it clearly shows that man's work shall be burned and he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
its their work will be wasted or not pleasable to God.

again as what apostle Paul's epistle to the Galatians:

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Galatians 1:8-9

Peace!

[twelve11]

astig cruman dah prove jud by verse! go bro!

[dartzed]

are you sure that its "human/people" whom Christ visited in 1 Peter 3:19?

32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
Matthew 12:32.
based on your statement above you've said "Christ refers to the sinner, suggesting that one can be freed after the death of the consequences of one's sins. How come can be freed? The verse clearly shows that a word speaketh against the Holy Ghost can't be forgiven while a word against the Son of Man (Christ) can be forgiven.
The next question who will give forgiveness and who will ask for forgiveness?
Is it your relatives that was left in the living world and will just offer a mass (special or regular)?
So in this case all of people who believed in PUrgatory will just do sins here on earth and their relatives will just pray for them or pay a mass (special or regular)?
What's your basis about this "Imperfectly Purified"? Who set the standards of this matter?
You mean to say that there's no chance that we can be purified or imperfectly purified here on earth or while we're alive? So what's the point of Christ Commanding His disciples to?:

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Matthew 28:19-20

Christ didn't say that you will just pray your dead love ones so that you can be perfectly purified.
With your statement/basis above just clearly shows that Gospel is not enough for purification or salvation.
But apostle Paul said:

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Romans 1:16
Bro in 1 Corinthians 3:15 its not the physical man or the physical body will be burned.
here read again the verse(just read also verse 14):
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
1 Corinthians 3:14-15
so it clearly shows that man's work shall be burned and he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
its their work will be wasted or not pleasable to God.

again as what apostle Paul's epistle to the Galatians:

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Galatians 1:8-9

Peace!

pasabot ani mga bro wala ni bisan kinsa na2 makaad2 ug langit... ky puroman ta sinners... hahahaha

[amingb]

The Catechism of the Catholic Church defines purgatory as a "purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven," which is experienced by those "who die in God’s grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven" (CCC 1030). It notes that "this final purification of the elect . . . is entirely different from the punishment of the damned" (CCC 1031).

The purification is necessary because, as Scripture teaches, nothing unclean will enter the presence of God in heaven (Rev. 21:27) and, while we may die with our mortal sins forgiven, there can still be many impurities in us, specifically venial sins and the temporal punishment due to sins already forgiven.
Though the word purgatory is nowhere found in the Scripture, it does not disprove the existence of purgatory or the fact that belief in it has always been part of Church teaching.
Those who deny the existence of purgatory tend to touch upon only briefly the history of the belief. They prefer to claim that the Bible speaks only of heaven and hell. Wrong. It speaks plainly of a third condition, commonly called the limbo of the Fathers, where the just who had died before the redemption were waiting for heaven to be opened to them. After his death and before his resurrection, Christ visited those experiencing the limbo of the Fathers and preached to them the good news that heaven would now be opened to them (1 Pet. 3:19). These people thus were not in heaven, but neither were they experiencing the torments of hell.
The Bible does teach that purgatory exists, even if it doesn’t use that word and even if 1 Peter 3:19 refers to a place other than purgatory.

Christ refers to the sinner who "will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come" (Matt. 12:32), suggesting that one can be freed after death of the consequences of one’s sins.

Similarly, Paul tells us that, when we are judged, each man’s work will be tried. And what happens if a righteous man’s work fails the test? "He will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire" (1 Cor 3:15). Now this loss, this penalty, can’t refer to consignment to hell, since no one is saved there; and heaven can’t be meant, since there is no suffering ("fire") there. The Catholic doctrine of purgatory alone explains this passage.

Then, of course, there is the Bible’s approval of prayers for the dead: "In doing this he acted in a very excellent and noble way, inasmuch as he had the resurrection of the dead in view; for if he were not expecting the dead to rise again, it would have been useless and foolish to pray for them in death. But if he did this with a view to the splendid reward that awaits those who had gone to rest in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought. Thus he made atonement for the dead that they might be freed from this sin" (2 Macc. 12:43–45). Prayers are not needed by those in heaven, and no one can help those in hell. That means some people must be in a third condition, at least temporarily. This verse so clearly illustrates the existence of purgatory that, at the time of the Reformation, Protestants had to cut the books of the Maccabees out of their Bibles in order to avoid accepting the doctrine.

nakabasa ko ana nga imoha gi Post bro sa internet ....

ang Protestant wala gi apil ang maccabees kay kana nga Book is not a Part of the Bible ...... dili kay tungod sa Purgatory ...

Asa man sa Bible nga mabasa ang namatay e Purify sa mga Buhi para maka adto sa Langit .... this is jus a Word Of Men ...

Makasulod kas langit ug pure ka base sa imoha Faith ug naa ka true Faith mo manifest na sa imoha Obedience sa Word of God ... dili kay gi pangadyean ang Patay aron ma Purify ... ug mao na storyaha hayahaya sa mga Salbahis nga luwas man diay ... pangadyian lang luwas na HALA cge mag salbahis nalang ta tanan ani, mao man diay na ...

Kana cia nga Word Of Men sa Vatican mana gikan, cla raman nag Imbento ana ... wala mana cla Authority

Kanang Limbo imbento raman pud na sa Vatican ... naa man gani na cla gi usab nga sayop regarding sa Infant Baptism ( nga ang infant mamatay daw unya wala bunyag mag antos daw sa limbo ) nag himo napod cla ug balaod ana nga ang bata mamatay is pure dili na kinahanglan bunyagan kay adto jud na sa langit ..... mao na ang belief sa mga Proestant ug nag Base pas Bible ang Catholic wala unta problema dili unta magka bulag2x ang Christian World .. karon nag hinay2x na cla ug usab sa mga sayop nila ..

ug mo ingon ang Vatican ug KAON MO ug TAE para mo maluwas mga Catholic kaon sab mo ? para maluwas ... faetz

Kanang Roman Catholic maoy na pinaka dako nga Religious Cult ...

Peace .

[necrotic freak]

ug mo ingon ang Vatican ug KAON MO ug TAE para mo maluwas mga Catholic kaon sab mo ? para maluwas ... faetz

Kanang Roman Catholic maoy na pinaka dako nga Religious Cult ...

Peace .

hhehe ug mo ingon jud ana ang Vatican nga kaon mo tae.. dili kaha namo bitayon ang santo papa?! ako mismo bisag diha pa sa imong atobangan ako lubaon ang santo papa kung mo ingnon ana! Protesters you always be....

[amingb]

astig cruman dah prove jud by verse! go bro!

Astig jud ni rcruman Bible Base Jud kigihan mo basa ug mo sabot sa Pulong sa Ginoo ...

Ingon ang pari nga ang non Catholic, Bible ra daw ang gibasihan wala na lain nga naa paman daw lain basihanan ...

mangutana ko sa mga Catholico usa manang lain nga basihanan ..... Basin Book of Tarzan na ... hehehehee

naka sulay ko ug ask ana sa Priest katong gi convert ko to Catholic ingon ang Priest naa daw lain basihanan pero cla ra nakabalo .... saon ... mga pari ray maluwas ani ....

di man sab ko believe anang mga Pari kay basic raman nahibaw-an nila sa Bible .....

[necrotic freak]

Astig jud ni rcruman Bible Base Jud kigihan mo basa ug mo sabot sa Pulong sa Ginoo ...

Ingon ang pari nga ang non Catholic, Bible ra daw ang gibasihan wala na lain nga naa paman daw lain basihanan ...

mangutana ko sa mga Catholico usa manang lain nga basihanan ..... Basin Book of Tarzan na ... hehehehee

naka sulay ko ug ask ana sa Priest katong gi convert ko to Catholic ingon ang Priest naa daw lain basihanan pero cla ra nakabalo .... saon ... mga pari ray maluwas ani ....

di man sab ko believe anang mga Pari kay basic raman nahibaw-an nila sa Bible .....

actually bro wala na sa lain nga book ang lain basinhan sama sa book of tarzan nga imong gi ingon. naa ra gihapon na sa bible pero wala lang mo naka notice kay lain man inyong pag interpret. ang gusto ninyo word for word man jud nga makita o mabasa sa bible aron mo maka sabot. dili man mo kasabot ug mga pasombingay..

[amingb]

actually bro wala na sa lain nga book ang lain basinhan sama sa book of tarzan nga imong gi ingon. naa ra gihapon na sa bible pero wala lang mo naka notice kay lain man inyong pag interpret. ang gusto ninyo word for word man jud nga makita o mabasa sa bible aron mo maka sabot. dili man mo kasabot ug mga pasombingay..

dili lang Bible daw bro naa jud basahon pa nga lain . kato na nga time nag pa convert ko ug Catholic sa Barili mao na ingon sa Pari .. ask sab ko regarding anang mga Santos ... ingon to cia wala na gi teach sa Church kato daw na panahon sa Dark Ages ... pero wala na daw cla time para mo educate ana sa mga tawo.

Kanang sa Bible bro dili man tanan Pasumbingay diha .. depende na

[necrotic freak]

dili lang Bible daw bro naa jud basahon pa nga lain . kato na nga time nag pa convert ko ug Catholic sa Barili mao na ingon sa Pari .. ask sab ko regarding anang mga Santos ... ingon to cia wala na gi teach sa Church kato daw na panahon sa Dark Ages ... pero wala na daw cla time para mo educate ana sa mga tawo.

Kanang sa Bible bro dili man tanan Pasumbingay diha .. depende na

kana man gud mga pari kasagaran bro basic ra kaau na ilahang na katonan sa ilang vocation unless mag masteral na sila sa theology jud.. kung gusto ka mangutana jud, adto pangutana sa mga apologetics..

tinuod dili tanan pasombingay...