N95 or Apple Iphone

[markyap]

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@markyap: naka-gamit naka og iPhone?? if wala pa then biased ang imong opinion.

can you not read my post...i said ive used both (iphone and n95) and ive made my choice...

[markyap]

Because it goes against logic .. and YOUR own logic at that! - a while back ingon ka nga mas maayo mag dala ug usa ka device nga maka buhat ug daghang purpose ... now you'd rather not bring one device that can do several jobs. Karon you claim you hate videography but you still use your phone to make videos. You intentionally use crappy video devices because it goes against your principle? Mas maayo nga bati ang kuha sa video because YOU HATE VIDEOGRAPHY that much? A while back you claimed that carrying too many items is too cumbersome.. pero karon you'd rather bring 2 items (bisag mas dako pa) kaysa usa nalang ka item .. and you question me if I get it or not. NO, I don't get your reasoning. Pero if you hate camcorders that much because of some obscure reason you can't explain - just keep it to yourself. You have contradicted yourself a few times now and it's hard to take your word for it.

your the one taking my words illogically.
i said the n95 had all those features and for those features and the things it can do its great and worth the price from my standpoint.
a dedicated device can aways be better than an all in one jack of all trades kind of device and its TRUE.
but i also said "the right tool for the job" which is the logic of my point.
thats why i have DSLRs. i also have small p&s IXUS cameras even though i already have a 5mp n95.
if i want quality i go with my DSLR. if i cant use or bring my DSLR then the IXUS is my best course of action.
if i intend to mms or use a pic as phonebook thumbnail or for bluetooth sending, i use the n95's cam for convenience.

if an all in one device (or a small less quality device) is required, then a dedicated big pro device is just out of the question.
so which is better, a good VGA grade video quality (probably among the best 3 cellphone video available in any phone today) or no video at all.
the logic here is "a little something is better than nothing at all".
since i am not willing to bring a dedicated video camera the camcorder function on my n95 which i bring everyday is more than sufficient for me (something iphone cant provide me).
this logic works with the GPS on the n95 (slower and less accurate GPS than stand alone GPS device) but its better than having none at all in the case of iphone.
same with its 3G function, dedicated music keys and keypad, lenscover, and all the other features the n95 has that iphone doesnt even have yet find fault in them.

when i say i hate videography i expounded on that i hate the capture to pc part, the software part, the rendering part, the burning part, the part i need to bring a dvd player to show it on TV, the part i need to buy firewire cable and have to have firewire port or capture card and huge amount of hdd to work on 15mins of video. thus raw (unedited) videos clips i take on my phone is enough for me. i show them off as is if needed. its there. convenient.
if you still dont understand this and that i love photography thus i dont mind bringing big pro camera and that im a photographerby heart not a videographer. then its hopeless for you to understand.

but what the heck heres on more try...let me ask you this, do you know anyone who brings along an HD camcorder with at least 8-12 hours worth of blank tapes with them EVERYDAY for personal reasons...
ive never heard of one...coz no one needs/wants it...SO STOP forcing ur hd cam on me...
however i know many who brings along a still camera with enough memory for thousands of shots everyday...
im one of them

[cen]

can you not read my post...i said ive used both (iphone and n95) and ive made my choice...

nope. I haven't read it. Taas kaau then ma-usik akong time. (call it laziness )

Anyway thanks the reply.. I haven't used N95 and iphone. Nag-based ra gyud ko sa mga articles. Your post really helps me. Dugay2x na ka naka-tabang nako in choosing phones diri sa istorya.. :mrgreen:

[EZRA]

I am not taking your words illogically, I'm taking them as what they are coming in from your keyboard.
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About the N95 being the jack of all trades so to say - I totally agree... it can do lots of things. But how good can that be if it can't do them properly and effectively as what they're designed to do half the time? A lot of reviews stated that the GPS isn't very accurate. Now, are you still gonna say "Better than to have a not so good GPS than to have none at all"? And if that GPS function gets you lost in, let's say, Compton instead of Beverly Hills or the Bronx instead of Manhattan?? Would you still say the same thing?

About the N95's camcorder capabilities - hey, it's an awesome feature - but then again, with a less than stellar battery life and limited memory, it's not really the most practical choice when taking videos. I bet your point and shoot camera does the job even better... with optical zoom capabilities pa gyud. Pero regardless, iPhone doesn't have this feature so it's good to put that in the equation.

Now for the N95's other functions: The N95's 3G technology is a plus especially sa Pilipinas. Gamit gyud kaayo para sa mga taw nga maka afford. Ang Bluetooth feature sab, like I said.. a more refined feature compared sa iPhone. The sliding feature is a design flaw para nako, to slide the face of the phone to switch between functions, I guess they could've thought more about that. The lens cover, well if your lens is that big, you definitely need a cover for it.

We already went through all these .. - but the question still remains.. after all these extra glitters, is it worth the extra $$$? Compare a $299 4gig iPhone to a $700+ (US MSRP) N95 .. the difference in retail price can't simply be justified. Wala pay labot ang mga strong points sa iPhone sa equation - the larger screen size, better and more durable materials, touchscreen feature, better pre-amp, and most importantly a hands-down more superior OS.

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I don't think a lot of people would carry a camcorder everyday but my brother used to. Ako if I mo adtog lain lugar kuyog pamilya or mo bisita ug pamilya, yes - I carry a camcorder with me ug camera sab. I don't know ug ingon ana ba na, if you're a photographer you have this animosity towards videography pero I don't know. Akong cousin she carries a camcorder with her and a super nice "tulo-laway" DSLR during the weekends nga magkita mi with our kids in Central Park. She's a photographer - Parsons The New School for Design graduate. She's the Photo Editor for SELF magazine. Her husband, Devon Jarvis, is a freelance photographer who's works can be seen in mainstream magazines like TIME (http://www.devonjarvisphoto.com/). These guys are photographers and I guess it's an understatement if to say that they love photography. But they don't share the same animosity towards videography like you do.

Again, I'm not forcing the HD cam on you - I'm merely trying to figure out your logic since as I've pointed out, you contradicted yourself a few times. You're trying to worm your reasoning somewhere and your explanations have loopholes on them. Of course, you are not obligated to explain yourself more clearly but, if you have done so earlier, we wouldn't have this conversation we're having right now, right? Regardless, I think we've exhausted every possible arguments ani nga topic.. sa ako-a lang, I'm looking at it with a more objective point of view - no bias whatsoever. Sa imoha man gud, you're selling Nokia so it's bad for business (ambot if you deal with iPhones). Not even once nga ni acknowledge ka sa mga flaws sa N95 - very understandable because you're a retailer.

[markyap]

Not even once nga ni acknowledge ka sa mga flaws sa N95 - very understandable because you're a retailer.

so what if other photogs like video...pnoize and marlix here in istorya are examples of those who loves both craft...but i dont like videography and thats that!

yeah tell yourself that...hmmm, have you said anything bad bout the iphone?
tsk tsk...read what i posted last may...the not so intresting part of the n95...
https://www.istorya.net/forums/index....tml#msg2554274

heres something bad i pointed out last july bout the n95 which no other review(iv found on the net or magazine) of n95 seem to notice.
https://www.istorya.net/forums/index....tml#msg2613782

heres my post regarding a problem in memory restore i had...
https://www.istorya.net/forums/index....tml#msg2652006

heres me getting frustrated with the n95
https://www.istorya.net/forums/index....tml#msg2684316

but overall i still use it and i works great for me...and thats undeniable.

dude, you see me posting S.E. products for sale...and yet you also see me post againts getting them...
your accusations of me are unfounded! basin ikaw ang naay bias?

[codenurse]

mark yap is a good seller/istoryan. i dont think he's bias. that is so unfair to name him "bias"

[sassy_jihye]

to all iphone users:

i'm planning to buy an iphone too... at&t lang ba gihapon ang provider nila here in the US? honestly, di ko gnahan sa at&t coz i had a bad experience with them.. i was ripped off twice... that's really what's keeping me from buying the iphone no matter how much i like it...

[sequel]

IPHONE rulezzzz!!!

[EZRA]

Markyap: I'm talking about our exchanges here, and yes.. I've mentioned the iPhone's shortcomings several times... ang limited capabilties sa iyang bluetooth, the lack of video capture function, the lack of 3G capability - Pero ikaw, you never did acknowledge the N95's flaws sa atuang exchanges. NOT ONCE, instead you try to defend them. See, it could've been a more helpful comparison if you mentioned all the troubles you came across the with the N95 - `cause you see, a more substantial comparison should come from you because you have the more extensive knowledge and experience about these things, pero that never happened. Bisag sa pikas iphone thread bai when you compared the N95 to the iPhone, you never did mention the N95's flaws.
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Now, you try to defend from being called biased - You said those things about the N95 on another thread but the thing is, you forgot to mention them here. We're talking about this particular thread. I remember you mentioning that the N95 makes your life easy but you never did include that it was giving you problems with some of its applications and features.
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Honestly, I don't really have the time and patience to dig up some stuff you said about the N95 in some other thread. I based my observations on this thread and that other iPhone thread - and yes, on both threads you're obviously biased against the iPhone. I remember seeing you slam the iPhone even before the phone came out, without you having a first-hand experience with the phone. You even had highly heated and nasty exchanges against a forum member, even resorting to name-calling to the point na a fellow moderator has to give you guys a heads up. Yes, I think it's safe to say that you are biased against the iPhone.

[markyap]

Markyap: I'm talking about our exchanges here, and yes.. I've mentioned the iPhone's shortcomings several times... ang limited capabilties sa iyang bluetooth, the lack of video capture function, the lack of 3G capability - Pero ikaw, you never did acknowledge the N95's flaws sa atuang exchanges. NOT ONCE, instead you try to defend them. See, it could've been a more helpful comparison if you mentioned all the troubles you came across the with the N95 - `cause you see, a more substantial comparison should come from you because you have the more extensive knowledge and experience about these things, pero that never happened. Bisag sa pikas iphone thread bai when you compared the N95 to the iPhone, you never did mention the N95's flaws.
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Now, you try to defend from being called biased - You said those things about the N95 on another thread but the thing is, you forgot to mention them here. We're talking about this particular thread. I remember you mentioning that the N95 makes your life easy but you never did include that it was giving you problems with some of its applications and features.
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Honestly, I don't really have the time and patience to dig up some stuff you said about the N95 in some other thread. I based my observations on this thread and that other iPhone thread - and yes, on both threads you're obviously biased against the iPhone. I remember seeing you slam the iPhone even before the phone came out, without you having a first-hand experience with the phone. You even had highly heated and nasty exchanges against a forum member, even resorting to name-calling to the point na a fellow moderator has to give you guys a heads up. Yes, I think it's safe to say that you are biased against the iPhone.

i made an n95 thread...thats what its there for! im not bout to repeat everything there here...what for?!
hmmm goes to show you are one sided on the iphone coz you never checked out the n95 thread...
thats my n95 review on itself...this is n95 vs iphone...comparison on both...
so yes im defending n95 as compared to iphone coz thats my take on it...n95 is better than iphone.
its like with the GPS issue, you say its crap. i say n95 is still better than iphone coz it has it and it works (verymuch usable even here in cebu) while iphone doesnt have it at all.
sure n95 battery doesnt last that long in my review...but as ckice pointed out same lang sa iphone.
https://www.istorya.net/forums/index....tml#msg2907033
so do i need to repeat that? its in my review and its here posted by ckice...you dont see me posting the battery is great...do you?!
apps problem is mentioned here...did i ever say its not true? nope...i defended the n95 on its merits that you otherwise tend to belittle.
so what if i had an issue with one skins app that i dont use anyways...at least with nokia n95 we have the options. hundreds of programs we can add. we the users have the options and the choices.
sure some dont work as good as others but over all its great coz its available now and they work
contrary to iphone were no apps are available. so no matter how you belittle the n95 on the aspect at least we have it than none at all as with the iphone side.
i defend the n95 on things you dont like (or read bout) that i find contrary to my experience or my point of view.
why point out flaws in the n95 on aspects it has and iphone doesnt even have at all.
if you keep things bout iphone thats great or not so great that n95 can't do or dont have then i will shut up or even praise the iphone.
but RANTING about n95 on aspects it has that iphone doesnt even have at all and continue to say iphone is that great when IT DOESNT have it at all is just a pitty.

yes my phone makes my life easier...what i dont use wont hurt me. example i dont use the skins app that i was having problems with thus it doesnt affect my day. the bug after memory restore. i found a work around already.
in the same way you dont use video capture on your phone coz you have HD cam corder straped around your neck. no video capture on your phone doesnt affect your use of the phone. maybe you wont be found wanting one later on but i prefer mine with very good video capture for a phone.
i use GPS and 3G so it affects me if i dont have it on my phone like the iphone. but since you dont use them so your happy with the iphone.
since you use wifi and googlemaps all the time and dont find the need for 3G or GPS, i just defend the other side of the discussion for wanting 3G and GPS on thier phones becasue we have it on our phones and they work great yet we still have wifi and googlemaps. you try to tell people not to want 3G and GPS. but i say otherwise...thus i defend that side.

i didnt slam the iphone before it came out...i just would give it all its credit before it comes out...it didnt deserve the hype its getting before it came out.
i keep repeating myself....we will find out when it comes out... and we did... and it still didnt deserve all its praises...

maybe iphone v2 would have better luck impressing me but till then, i doesnt serve me well...mas sulit parin ang n95. works great for me!

btw, il have you know im an authorized apple retailer. i get directly from apple philippines distributors. what i say here just happens to be my honest opinion on things.
lastly, if you check other threads when im asked what phones i recommend, i never recommended n95 in that i never recommend slider/flip phones.

so think what you want...i dont have to prove myself to you.