HEAVEN & HELL or REINCARNATION? what is your belief

[Bears Grill]

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In 1500, HUMAN Genome do not have a shred of evidence of their existence - But it doesnt mean it did Not existed during that time. No scientific evidence does not necessarily Mean it does or Did Not exist - especially if the basis of the so-called evidence is LIMITED.

You're right. No scientific evidence for heaven and hell does not necessarily mean it does not exist. We also do not have scientific evidence that pink unicorns do not exist in some exo-planet that abound in our universe. So how do we decide which one of these supernatural entities we should believe in?

About Human Genomes. Let me put it this way. What have we learned about the discoveries of science? All the scientific theories and accounts, from the earth as a sphere to the heliocentric view of our solar system to plate techtonics to relativity and evolution...they're all counter-intuitive. They all go against our instincts and common sense. They even caused quite a stir when they were first proposed. Surely, the earth is flat. If it were round, then people couldn't have lived in Australia because they'd all fall down. Surely, the earth's not spinning at the rate of 1,000 miles an hour. We'd be so dizzy if that were true. Surely, we're standing on solid ground and all the continents and islands are where they should be. But read what Plate Techtonics tell you. All the continents are actually floating. Surely, all animals are created at once and stayed that way. A dog will always give birth to a dog and a monkey will always give birth to a monkey, right? But read what the scientific account of Evolution says. All life forms have common descent. We're related even to the acacia tree that's giving us shade.

The speculation that heaven and hell exists comes from our question: What happens to us after we die? Surely, the consciousness of our mind is separate from brain functions. Our instincts tell us that. Even primitive tribes without any scientific knowledge can come up with that speculation. But because of the history of counter-intuitiveness of science, I put that speculation in doubt. I respect your belief in it, and I hope you respect my doubts about it.

[Breakeven]

allow me to butt-in please....

You're right. No scientific evidence for heaven and hell does not necessarily mean it does not exist. We also do not have scientific evidence that pink unicorns do not exist in some exo-planet that abound in our universe. So how do we decide which one of these supernatural entities we should believe in?

By using our common sense tingali, we cannot say that pink unicorns exist. Why? try to support that claim and give reliable references to that story, historical records, etc.. if it is true, why wala may grupo karong panahuna nga Unicornians?

....The speculation that heaven and hell exists comes from our question: What happens to us after we die? Surely, the consciousness of our mind is separate from brain functions. Our instincts tell us that. Even primitive tribes without any scientific knowledge can come up with that speculation. But because of the history of counter-intuitiveness of science, I put that speculation in doubt. I respect your belief in it, and I hope you respect my doubts about it.

Our respect is always there migs....That's why we need to know who God is and the Lord Jesus Christ para dili ta masaag sa atong dagan sa kinabuhi

[noy]

@ bears grill, if ok ra nimu, unsa diay reason nimu why you don't believe in God?

[Breakeven]

QUOTE=Bears Grill;13531116]...About Human Genomes. Let me put it this way. What have we learned about the discoveries of science? All the scientific theories and accounts, from the earth as a sphere to the heliocentric view of our solar system to plate techtonics to relativity and evolution...they're all counter-intuitive. They all go against our instincts and common sense. They even caused quite a stir when they were first proposed. Surely, the earth is flat. If it were round, then people couldn't have lived in Australia because they'd all fall down. Surely, the earth's not spinning at the rate of 1,000 miles an hour. We'd be so dizzy if that were true. Surely, we're standing on solid ground and all the continents and islands are where they should be. But read what Plate Techtonics tell you. All the continents are actually floating. Surely, all animals are created at once and stayed that way.

These are all true and i think it doesnt discredit the existence of God. Wala may problema ni migs...

A dog will always give birth to a dog and a monkey will always give birth to a monkey, right? But read what the scientific account of Evolution says. All life forms have common descent. We're related even to the acacia tree that's giving us shade......

mura'g kani tingali ang problema. Dili man sad normal ang usa ka klase sa mananap manganak ug laing klase.
God created the animals after its kind....daghan ang klase sa iro, iring, etc. just like sa taw, dunay lain2 nga races, dunay balhiboon, duna say hamis ug panit but it is still a man Yes we are related to it kay binuhat man tanan sa ginoo and we are given the dominion over the lower creations.

[SioDenz]

You're right. No scientific evidence for heaven and hell does not necessarily mean it does not exist. We also do not have scientific evidence that pink unicorns do not exist in some exo-planet that abound in our universe. So how do we decide which one of these supernatural entities we should believe in?

Bisag unsaon pa nimu ug explain di malalis nga kana imung Scientific evidence nga imung gibasehan pag conclude way Langit is LIMITED.

Therefore unsaon man nimu pag conclude sa isa ka butang if imung gamiton sa pag conclude LIMITED ug di pa maka explain sa tanan? make sense?

Your only concluding based on the CURRENT knowledge of SCIENCE ug daghan pa butang di ma explain sa science.

So if year 1500 run nya pangutan on taka, Does the Human DNA EXIST in 1500? Do you have Scientific Evidence then? naa kay ikapakita? unsa imu tubag?

[SioDenz]

do you believed in Christ and received him as Lord and personal savior in your life? do you believe that Christ died for you sin..if yes, you are saved! ngano lisod lisuron man gift gani,basta naa lang kay pagtuo..
about "no one can boast". bro kung ang kaluwasan nagabase sa atong good work or efforts dako kaayo possibility maghinambog ta,mao nay boot pasabot ni pablo bro..

Kana verse nag ingun ana teaching nang Kristo para natu, Syempre makasulti jud ciya ana kay siya may mu Judge ug siya may nakahibalos a atung kasing kasing bisag kita wala. Pero wa na gi sulti ni kristo para atung gamiton pag judge sa lain tawo or even sa atung kaugalingun. If mu judge tah nga luwas nata, same level diay tas Ginoo? Ang ginoo raman kaha dunay katungod mu Judge nya karun Apil sad diay tah. Murag libog man...

1 Samuel 16: 7 But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not look on his appearance or on the height of his stature, because I have rejected him. For the Lord sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart.”

1 John 3:20 whenever our hearts condemn us. For God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything.

Luke 16:15 He said to them, "You are the ones who justify yourselves in the eyes of men, but God knows your hearts. What is highly valued among men is detestable in God's sight.

Jeremiah 17: 9 The heart is deceitful above all things,
and desperately sick; who can understand it?
10 “I the Lord search the heart and test the mind, to give every man according to his ways, according to the fruit of his deeds.”

Matthew 7:1-2 “Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you.

---Based on above verses, Klaru kaayu dha nga bisag atung kaugalingun heart di gani ta kasalig if sakto naba or dili - Unya judge a nuon. Mao bitaw klaru kaayu sa Bibliya nga ang DIOS ray pwedi ug dunay katungod mu judge kay siya ray nakahibalo sa tanan. Mao nay saktong Sense dha.

Basin sa tanto natung praise sa atung kaugalingun mahisama nya ta ani:

Mt:15:8: This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

[Breakeven]

@bro sio
naa sad kay point but for me, id rather trust god's word and promise and aim to glorify his name. The more we believed that we are God's children the more we aim for righteousness.

...yes our hearts is deceitful sometimes, naay butang we thought insakto/maayo but dili diay. Pero kita mismo kabalo kung unsa ka tinuod atong relasyon ug commitment sa ginoo.

[ethzneuron]

seems all the posts here (not read all though!!) are heaven & hell believers..
does anyone here in istorya who believes in reincarnation?

[Bears Grill]

@ bears grill, if ok ra nimu, unsa diay reason nimu why you don't believe in God?

@noy,

Like I said in one of my earliest post, I am probably a Deist (because I'd like to think there's a first cause) or agnostic (because I can't prove that there is a first cause). To many of you, you would consider me an atheist, because I don't believe in the Judaeo-Christian-Islamic God...i.e, a God who answers prayers, telepathically communicates to a select group of people to write down his message, etc.

My position on this matter is NOT that I believe there is no God. My position is that I've studied all the stock arguments for the existence of God (Cosmological, Ontological and Teleological arguments, Argument from Design, The Moral Argument, and Fine-Tuning Argument) and I find them to be either invalid, begging the question, a God-of-the-gap argument, or filled with just-as-valid counter-arguments. I can understand people believing in a God because it makes them feel better. But I hope people resist the urge to persecute me for my doubts. After all, when asked how we should recognize Christians, wasn't this what Jesus answered:

BY THEIR FRUITS SHALL YE KNOW THEM.

So there. Even Jesus himself sees self-declarations of "I believe" or "I don't believe" as superficial. Belief in him, according to Jesus, is to be found in people's actions and behavior. If I say I'm not convinced but still live a life of charity, compassion and love, shall Jesus know me by my fruits?

Think about it.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

BEAR GRILL ....

My position is that I've studied all the stock arguments for the existence of God (Cosmological, Ontological and Teleological arguments, Argument from Design, The Moral Argument, and Fine-Tuning Argument) and I find them to be either invalid, begging the question, a God-of-the-gap argument, or filled with just-as-valid counter-arguments.

Are you serious ? Even if the greatest doctors of the church sees it as tangible , they would not even touch that with their pinky.