If Operation Barbarossa wasn't launched, Would've Nazi Germany won WWII?

[æRLO]

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Glad you agree that they were liberated proving once again the correctness of my position. But they freed them yes from Nazi control thus being liberated? Thanks for agreeing.





I am not sure if whether you are serious or not. You do understand that the 2 m casualties in the Sino-Japanese war was accumulated throughout the entire theater and not from a single battle? But you compare it to the Battle of Stalingrad. Excuse me but 9m soviet military casualties on the Soviet side from the Eastern Europe conflict makes the 2m look like more humane.

LOL But the Soviets did their part in China. While all western allies were reluctant and scared sh1tless to commit troops to the brutal conflict in China, the Soviet invasion of China and the subsequent destruction of the Kwantung Army proved the mettle of the Red Army. This I believe had much greater influence on Japan's decision to surrender than the bomb. But that is another story. The Red Army's legacy in China continues to live to this day. China being a communist nation is testament to the Soviet effort in World War 2 China.

The Soviets suffered the highest casualties because they naturally had to fight the biggest best well equipped Axis power in the war. They in turn contributed to the single greatest loss of the enemy. Why the need to bring up the emphasis on what the Red Army lacked when the thing that mattered most was that they won? Fact is fact, the Soviets destroyed 80% of the Wermacht. Fck Rommel and his sorties in North Africa. Fck the Asian theater of the war... The real men fought in Europe.

Had the Germans and Soviets kept their pact (which would have never happened anyway), the allies would have surely lost.

Though I somehow disagree that the Pacific theater was not as ferocious as the European campaign, partly because the island-hopping strategy does not allow for large-scale battles (battles consisting of Army sized elements mga 100k+ men per opposing force), it was brutal itself. But for battles consisting of tens of thousands, it was intense and bloody. But the Eastern Front was definitely the most ferocious statistically speaking--and was the sole major reason Germany suffered so much in that war. The U.S.S.R. would be the second biggest reason why Hitler lost the war (the first being Hitler himself)

[unagikabayaki]

If Germany and Russia had kept their pact, USA would really have a very hard time...the Japs will move in from the north/west (Alaska downwards), Jerry/Ivan on the east and perhaps if Mexico was very much interested by Jerry's offer they would move in from south...

Then again USA's A-Bomb will bring them to their knees. I believe they will use those if the situation goes on deep sh$t.

[disomniac]

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this goes down to the pages of hisTory nice thread!

[unagikabayaki]

seldom can you find such sensible discussions...

[street_of_no_return]

does anyone here knows where Hitler went after the war? Hitler's Generals found dead after kill their own family and committed suicide. But Hitler's is missing. Hitler is gone. Bang! flying like a bird.

[unagikabayaki]

wasn't his body found inside his bunker in Berlin ? I believe he commited suicide after he killed his wife (poor young girl)

[erwin_rommel]

does anyone here knows where Hitler went after the war? Hitler's Generals found dead after kill their own family and committed suicide. But Hitler's is missing. Hitler is gone. Bang! flying like a bird.

hitler wasnt missing, he committed suicide with braun outside the bunker and was burned after. but the russians didnt believe it was him even though they found out in the autopsy that the dead body has only one ball instead of a pair. they havent squeezed any information if hitler was still alive from the captured officers but i believe it was hitler's body that they found.

[digitalsuperman]

And Russia was willing to destroy Eastern countries according to the pact, but Hitler never trusted the Soviets. And Poland, Ukraine, and Finland were very important milking cows for Germany's war machine. These are reasons why Hitler need to go east.

Hitler had perfect plans against stalin. For me it was a stroke of luck that the nazi's werent only up against russian army, but the nazi's worst enemy was the weather. Winter crippled hitlers army during the invasion.

[æRLO]

wasn't his body found inside his bunker in Berlin ? I believe he commited suicide after he killed his wife (poor young girl)

he shot himself in the head while Braun took cyanide. Then the SS took the bodies and burned it in the Chancellery. The SMERSH, tasked to find the body immediately after the Soviets occupied Berlin, found the remains. They had "confirmed" it using dental identification.

[digitalsuperman]

wasn't his body found inside his bunker in Berlin ? I believe he commited suicide after he killed his wife (poor young girl)

He committed suicide with braun. Dont say poor girl. If braun was captured by russians, im sure death was the better option for her.