What's the Most Dangerous Martial Arts?

[Persian_King73]

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The founder of Aikido says "To learn Aikido is a never ending process", belts are just representation and recognition as to how long, have you studied the Discipline and your technical knowledge as well. Aikido learning is beyond that. I, myself studied this Discipline since 1997, and until this time, I'm still learning a lot of things. . If you were asking me, as to what Aikido's objectives. To be physically fit, is one of that. "Self-Defense", is just one of the whole part of it, the very essence of it, is to suppress your attacker at the quickest possible time, with the most minimal pain or damage. Meaning, in practical sense, very difficult to achieve under real-life scenarios. Our instinct would not agree to that. It is our very nature as human beings, to deal our attacker with the most fatal retaliation we could possibly gave him, so that he will no longer missed with us. Aikido is the complete irony of it. No matter how violent he might be, he's still a sacred being, and ought to be suppress only, so that he can no longer further damage unto you, or to another person. It's an indirect way of saying "I'm sorry for the discomfort I had inflicted on you, but you leave me no choice, but still I mean no harm to you, because if I did. I would have use excessive force", rather than the minimal required force, that we Aikidoka were strongly advice, to use at all times. Even when confronted by life-threatining situations, if there is still an alternative, we were discourage to use excessive or brute force, not just it is physically fatal, but it creates more conflict.
About the Examination you were referring to, it's "not kunuhay", it is for real. In our dojo, two types of Examination were given. Written and Randori. These are mandatory, when an Aikidoka wish for a promotion. But my Sensei gave more emphasis on Randori rather than the written exams for Aikidokas with kyu(japanese term for ranks) from white to brown belt. But higher belts it's like 30,70. Thirty-percent for written exam, seventy-percent for Randori. This is how we do things in our dojo, I'm not so sure if all Aikido dojos had the same system or policy with us.
Regarding your query about the "knife stuff", the real thing. Personally, don't agree with that. Hence, it is against our "Consti&bylaws"i(n laymans term), of Aikido. It should be emphasized at all times, that learning Aikido is a gradual process and using real weapon during practice, jeopardize the safety of an Aikidoka. I just don't know where the hell, did they get that kind of Principle in Teaching Aikido. But there is an exemption, during exhibition or presentation purposes. To add spice and thrill, but a pre-choreographed one, to make it real in the eyes of the audience. But are only done, by higher belts Aikidoka. But still dangerous, you can't afford to make a mistake. We usually had a minimal of 2 weeks preparation time. I'd like to tell you a story on that, real bladed weapon. Which had really happened in Tagbilaran City, few years ago. There was once a dojo which claims that they're teaching Aikido. As far as I can remember it was under a certain "Sensei Sapong". My classmate in college, who happened to be a Black Belt student of that club, had accidentally told me, in one of our "Tagay Session", that his Sensei used the real samurai, and you know what happened? During one of their practice? One student lost his right ankle. Since then, my classmate had refrained from going to their dojo.
I could only tell you things that, I had personally experience and studied. I could not tell you more than that. I don't have any idea, why are they using real weapon instead of boken(japanese term for wooden weapon). If you'd really want to study this Discipline for solely self-discipline, I would suggest strength is not very necessary, patience and a lot of mind development.

[Imagine]

woo :8O:

[patrixxx73]

Patrixxx73 og Persian_King73.. unsa diay inyong martial arts disicplines? Pwede ko patudlo? reading your threads murag nindot kunohay ning aikido. Pero nag-tanaw ko sa mga trainings kunohay .. murag maka bali ma ug boko boko kai ipang labay man mo ug tinod-anay. Unsa man kaha maayo akong tun-an ani.. perting daghan man ug pili-an... nag basa ko sa thread ni patrixxx73 perting daghana ug mga japanese name.. kaon lang sa ko ug susi mi

I used to practice different disciplines since I was a small child... because i was searching for the most efficient self-defense. My father first taught me Shorin Ryu Okinawan Karate, i wasn't satisfied with it's principles so as i grew older i ventured into different styles from Combat Judo (Durex Club) Jeet Kune Do (Leonardo Villagonzalo III) Arashi Ryu Kempo (Wouter Bauwens) and Daito Ryu Aikijujutsu (Sensei Dhong Reynaldo of Comjukai Aikijujutsu) Among the different disciplines i've learned, my favorites are:
Jeet Kune Do - adaptive to any style; intercepts attacks
Kempo - lightning fast combinations of fists, elbows, knees and kicks
and Aikijujutsu - grappling, throwing , snatching and bone-breaking techniques.

Regarding your question if what discipline are you going to pursue, well, that depends on your preferences. If you want martial arts for sports and competitions you can try: Tae kwon do, Shotokan Karate, Judo, kick-boxing, arnis, etc... and If you want for survival self-defense you can try: combat judo, Hombo Aikido, jiu-jitsu, Jeet Kune Do, Aikijujutsu and countless styles...

If you want to learn Aikido try these following schools in Cebu:
For Classical Aikido – Sensei Max Tian (Baseline)
For Hombu (Combat) Aikido – Sensei Fred Buot (Cebu Aikido Center, Nasipit Talamban)
Personally (i don't want to sound biased) I prefer Daito Ryu Aikijujutsu and i know someone who teaches this art and his name is Grandmaster Dhong Reynaldo of the Comjukai Aikijujutsu Region-7. For further information you may contact PNP Headquarters R3 PRO-7 Cebu City at (032) 4155898.

[jassyboy]

for mhe the most dangerous is wrestling........

[sullen]

i think arnis, judo-maybe...vanceloma, ga arnis ka? kanang sa UFC bah, unsa may nakanindot ana?

[Imagine]

Patrixxx73. do you have any idea about the aikido offered in sto. nino village? How is Aikijujutsu different from Aikido? By the way, do you guys know bout the technique used in the movie " The hunted" Is it true that its a filipino form of material art?

[Imagine]

Patrixxx73. do you have any idea about the aikido offered in sto. nino village? How is Aikijujutsu different from Aikido? By the way, do you guys know bout the technique used in the movie " The hunted" Is it true that its a filipino form of material art?

[patrixxx73]

Patrixxx73. do you have any idea about the aikido offered in sto. nino village? How is Aikijujutsu different from Aikido? By the way, do you guys know bout the technique used in the movie " The hunted" Is it true that its a filipino form of material art?

Yes! A friend and former classmate of mine ( Clifford Jao tel 3460513 ) is practicing on that Club: Doce Pares Hombu Aikido Club, (Thurs 6:30 -9pm; Sun 3-5pm) Sto Nino Village, Eagle's Street headed by Sensei Lyndon Melendrez. They're also good...

[patrixxx73]

How is Aikijujutsu different from Aikido?

Aikido: Aikido was founded by Ueshiba Morihei, roughly translated aikido means "The way of spiritual harmony". Aikido is a combination of jujitsu and kenjitsu. The main difference between aikido and the common idea of "martial art" and "self-defense" is the absence of fight, competition and application of force. There is no resistance against an attack. The energy of an attack is extended and should end in a suitable technique. That requires not only skill, but also an ethical intention. Aikido also emphasizes achieving complete mental calm and control over ones body to master an opponents attack. Aikido is often practiced with the jo and bokken.

Aikijujutsu: Aikijujutsu is a combat system once practiced by the samurai. (founded by the Takeda Family Clan) Its main principal is harmonizing with the energy of your opponent, while expending minimum energy. Aikijujutsu is one of Japan's most traditional and classical arts, finding its roots in the feudal era. Aikijujutsu stresses maximum combat or defense ability. It is said that Aiki Ju Jutsu was derived from empty handed sword strokes and battlefield techniques. Aikijujutsu was known as Oshikiuchi until the nineteenth century. The aikijujutsu practitioner coordinates himself with attacks. The core principle is Taisabaki, or body positioning. If an attack comes the practitioner steps either to neutralize or parry. Opponents can be controlled by locks, chokes, strikes or throws.

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I don't think there is any difference. In Daito-ryu, too, practice begins and ends with courtesy (rei). And its final goal is the spirit of love and harmony.

Morihei Ueshiba (founder of Aikido) studied Daito-ryu for over twenty years and served Sokaku Takeda Sensei as his master. Sokaku Takeda looked after Morihei Sensei as his student in various ways. There are many stories about this aspect of their relationship, illustrating the courtesy of a student towards his master and the affection of a master towards his student. This relationship continued for a period of time, and at a certain point Morihei Sensei began to seek his own path and eventually created modern aikido.

Technically,I do not think that there is much difference either. However, we have what we call ikkajo, which consists of thirty different techniques, ten of which are seated, five hanza handachi, ten standing techniques (tachiai) and five rear-attack techniques (ushirodori). Each of these thirty techniques has its own name. In Daito-ryu, the first technique you learn is called ippondori, a difficult technique where you receive, barehanded, the frontal attack of your opponent.

In the traditional martial arts, a secret technique is usually taught at the very beginning. In Daito-ryu, too, the difficult technique is taught first. This ippondori, I believe, has become ikkyo in aikido and also is related to techniques like shomenuchi ikkyo, katatedori ikkyo, ryotedori ikkyo, and so on. Ikkajo consists of t hirty techniques, but only the ippondori technique became ikkyo in aikido. There are twenty-nine other techniques such as gyaku udedori, kurumadaoshi, koshiguruma, and so on. Nikajo also has thirty techniques and only one of them is called nikyo in aikido. And the case is the same for sankyo. Yonkajo includes fifteen techniques and one of them is called yonkyo in aikido. Gokajo has thirteen techniques and one of them is gokyo in aikido. It includes tasudori (techniques against group attacks), tachidori (techniques against a sword), jodori, kasadori, emonodori (techniques against various weapons) and so on, all of which were practiced in the old days.

So we have 118 different techniques, classified as the ikkyo through gokyo series in Daito-ryu. These make up the hiden mokuroku and only five of those techniques were included in aikido. I would like this to be clear, to avoid any misunderstanding.

The difference between aikido and Daito-ryu in the eyes of the general public is that in techniques of Daito-ryu you must break the balance of your opponent the instant you touch him. This is because there is aiki in the technique, which we use to break the balance of the opponent. This is a major characteristic of Daito-ryu. Another characteristic is its use of atemi. This atemi is also a part of aiki in Daito-ryu. Although it is often said that Daito-ryu looks unrefined or is lacking in magnificence, Daito-ryu also has a component called aiki no jutsu (fifty-three techniques) and they are truly wonderful. The aiki no jutsu techniques come after the 118 hiden mokuroku, and they are followed by the hiden ogi, the hiogi, the kaishaku soden, and finally the kaiden techniques.

[patrixxx73]

By the way, do you guys know about the technique used in the movie " The hunted" Is it true that its a filipino form of martial art?

I'm sorry but I don't have any information regarding that matter...