Is RP deserving to be called a Nation of cheaters?

[kamikaze426]

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Its impossible to ask a totally clean, immaculate person here on earth. Only God is perfect. Maybe people who sided with truth and integrity and accountability will just be enough to gain our support.

I guess you are sided with the opposition since clearly you are ANTI-GMA, but do the opposition side with truth, integrity and ACCOUNTABILITY?

[istoryador]

"Yet those who cheat lie and steal in this dont get punished. They are exonerated by numbers game."
IF you have the power to bypass the impeachment process, then go ahead do it.

... and your comparison with regards to the rules of iSTORYA and the impeachment is like comparing day and night, here's a simple analysis: unlike the impeachment where there is a two or three step process (one of those is, it gets voted upon in the house of representatives) while here, any mod can decide on your fate outright if and when they see you violate any of the rules.

such a short and sweet explanation.. am I right?

Naahhh. They are tackling the same issue. Following the rules. Lets not compartmentalize our views on this matter. I did not brought up rules of istorya.net and the impeachment, you are. Do not overstretch or strained the issue we discussed here. Cheating is a violation of a UNIVERSAL rule. Be it UNIVERSAL or LOCAL (as in istorya.net) rule, both of them must be followed. And those who cant follow should either be condemned or punished.

If you keep on harping about my violations as my hindrance for me to also condemned the wrongs of others, you are in effect saying that I forfeit my right to renew, to do better in the future. Its like saying that those those people languishing in Muntinlupa or in BBRC have no chance or hope of becoming useful citizens in the future or these people lost any moral ground to condemned others who follow their acts.

[mata_hari]

Meaning to say if your boyfriend cheat on you its just ok because he has his own agenda?

we could not really stop people from cheating, nor lying, nor breaking the rules.... my point is... they does that because of a far greater reasons or value even mathematics could not define. if my boyfriend cheats on me, IT IS NOT OK, however, if he does want to do that, I could not stop him. .. nobody can! as if we never had experienced being stabbed in the back every once in a while right?!

but people forgives, and sometimes forget... we could not relinquish the fact that people change..there is always this tinge of hope at the dorsal part of our hypothalamus saying 'he will change for good'. there is always this part of us to rather 'bury the hatchet' then go on with our lives. If we wish to persecute all cheaters... who will be saved then?! let us just then hope that guilt would strike a megaton to them and change for the benefit of everybody's existence.

[istoryador]

we could not really stop people from cheating, nor lying, nor breaking the rules.... my point is... they does that because of a far greater reasons or value even mathematics could not define. if my boyfriend cheats on me, IT IS NOT OK, however, if he does want to do that, I could not stop him. .. nobody can! as if we never had experienced being stabbed in the back every once in a while right?!

but people forgives, and sometimes forget... we could not relinquish the fact that people change..there is always this tinge of hope at the dorsal part of our hypothalamus saying 'he will change for good'. there is always this part of us to rather 'bury the hatchet' then go on with our lives. If we wish to persecute all cheaters... who will be saved then?! let us just then hope that guilt would strike a megaton to them and change for the benefit of everybody's existence.

How about if your friend cheats you with let us say, 10 million pesos or forge a document that eventually you lost your land or condominium to her. Is it okay for you to just let forgive and forget with you holding an empty bag?

Or you wrote someone in the ballot because you want a good government then somebody changed the numbers in the election returns to disrespect your mandate.

[jugs_06]

those who cheated deserve punishment.. it's as simple as that.. who/how/where/when a particular person cheated is the question.. and without further investigation and evidence to support such act, a punishment is unfair not unless authorities can give a valid reason why a president/whoever cheated..

[omad]

If you keep on harping about my violations as my hindrance for me to also condemned the wrongs of others, you are in effect saying that I forfeit my right to renew, to do better in the future. Its like saying that those those people languishing in Muntinlupa or in BBRC have no chance or hope of becoming useful citizens in the future or these people lost any moral ground to condemned others who follow their acts.
... tsk. tsk. read again.. there was no mention in my posts on this thread that I'm harping on "your violations". I stated it clearly that the impeachment process and istorya rules are different. I stated that the impeachment has to go thru a process ie voted upon by the house of reps; while in this forum, a mod can designate a "warning" if one violates a rule. (sorry to those readers who think that I'm just running in circles, always repeating myself..)

my replying to you in a civilized manner even if I'm just saying the same things means "I'm in no way saying that you have forfeited your right to renew". I am one of those few that respects you as you are. so please don't paint a picture of me that I'm always harping on your violations.. you're way off the mark..

...and please come back to me with posts I made that proves otherwise so I can correct my misdeeds..

[istoryador]

... tsk. tsk. read again.. there was no mention in my posts on this thread that I'm harping on "your violations". I stated it clearly that the impeachment process and istorya rules are different. I stated that the impeachment has to go thru a process ie voted upon by the house of reps; while in this forum, a mod can designate a "warning" if one violates a rule. (sorry to those readers who think that I'm just running in circles, always repeating myself..)

my replying to you in a civilized manner even if I'm just saying the same things means "I'm in no way saying that you have forfeited your right to renew". I am one of those few that respects you as you are. so please don't paint a picture of me that I'm always harping on your violations.. you're way off the mark..

...and please come back to me with posts I made that proves otherwise so I can correct my misdeeds..

Hey my friend, you are highlighting my statements about following the rules. What is that? Hwag mo namang bilogin ang ulo ko. Bilog na ito.

The problem with you is that you are too technical about everything. Please simplify things and be a man to admit of doing something. Hindi yung palagi ka nalang mag pa sikot sikot play of words. Hey I know you are trying to be nice to everyone but sometimes your statements are way off, illogical sometimes. Cmon dont let me down. You can do better than that.

[mata_hari]

How about if your friend cheats you with let us say, 10 million pesos or forge a document that eventually you lost your land or condominium to her. Is it okay for you to just let forgive and forget with you holding an empty bag?

Or you wrote someone in the ballot because you want a good government then somebody changed the numbers in the election returns to disrespect your mandate.

of course, we have our constitution to protect us from these kind of abuses di ba?! if i have been cheated for 10 million pesos( though it is impossible i get that kind of money in my lifetime) or lost my land for her personal advantage..... Hell no! i would not just sit there and do nothing because i knw that there are rights protecting me! however, there are things to be considered, if she has invested my 10 million to save the hungry people in somalia or donated it to a charity to save cerebral palsy or something.... then perhaps there is a room for me to forgive her.... if she has taken away my land and my condominium, converted it to an orphanage, church,.... i am only human... Humanistic pa jud ko!

but all those darn politicians cheating on our honest votes... they deserve a punishment... burn them to stake.... they are far worst that witches..... but think again, who would replace them, another trapo?! hmmm...

[istoryador]

Hey my friend, you are highlighting my statements about following the rules. What is that? Hwag mo namang bilogin ang ulo ko. Bilog na ito.

The problem with you is that you are too technical about everything. Please simplify things and be a man to admit of doing something. Hindi yung palagi ka nalang mag pa sikot sikot play of words. Hey I know you are trying to be nice to everyone but sometimes your statements are way off, illogical sometimes. Cmon dont let me down. You can do better than that.

of course, we have our constitution to protect us from these kind of abuses di ba?! if i have been cheated for 10 million pesos( though it is impossible i get that kind of money in my lifetime) or lost my land for her personal advantage..... Hell no! i would not just sit there and do nothing because i knw that there are rights protecting me! however, there are things to be considered, if she has invested my 10 million to save the hungry people in somalia or donated it to a charity to save cerebral palsy or something.... then perhaps there is a room for me to forgive her.... if she has taken away my land and my condominium, converted it to an orphanage, church,.... i am only human... Humanistic pa jud ko!

but all those darn politicians cheating on our honest votes... they deserve a punishment... burn them to stake.... they are far worst that witches..... but think again, who would replace them, another trapo?! hmmm...

Please miss dont add the facts in my example. I said she cheated you to the tune of ten million pesos. Do not rationalize by saying maybe it was spent for the hungry people of Somalia or Darfur. She cheated you it means she used it for her personal gains because if her intention was to help the people of Somalia then she could have told about it and I doubt if you will give that amount considering it is too huge. Well i dont discount your capability of giving such amount.

Anyway, I am contented with the rest of your answer.

[fingolfin]

Gotcha!

Those who dont follow the rules are punished! Ergo , those who cheat lie and steal, CLEARLY A VIOLATION OF OUR MORAL AND DIVINE LAWS should logically, if we follow the equation, must be punished too.

Yet those who cheat lie and steal in this dont get punished. They are exonerated by numbers game.

... you got me No, you just admitted by using the word ERGO that you cheat, lie and steal.

let me add what kamikaze said:
I guess you are sided with the opposition since clearly you are ANTI-GMA, but do the opposition side with truth, integrity and ACCOUNTABILITY?

... the opposition also have VERY dirty hands.

.. isn't it time you see something positive or even " think" positive. All of your statements here in istorya are of destructive nature, non of them constructive.