NDF: a terrorist group or not?

[luntian_grace]

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Cornered NPAs kill bus driver

http://www.malaya.com.ph/apr12/news4.htm

ok ang ma say nako is naay buslot sa source mismo sa news. unsa man? first wala giname ang victim, so that we can check if namatay ba jud. kita mismo ang mobuhat sa aning data gathering. then second diri sad sure ang mga pulis about sa other two victims that they claimed was shot by the group. waray confermation di ba ang pulis about sa duha. wala ka bang ibang source ng news na ito? putol ang news.

[mosimos]

NDF? Terrorist org? Ngano gud tawon. Tinood ma momba na sila ug cell site (mayra sad uy kay daku kaayo gianansya cellfone companies) ug manunug ug bus pero WA MAY CIVILIAN ILANG I ANGIN.

Hmmmm...familiar kaayo kag tinubagan....Uyyyyyy...

"Welcome back S.N.M.P."Â*

OT. Yep... thats S.N.M.P.... i thought human na siya ani nga forum... dili na daw siya mo balik... naa raman gihapon...Â*

btw, ngano gud lalison pa gyud kung ang NDF terorista or dili, ka klaro ra a ana ah,.... only the blind and supporter sa NDF ang mo sulti
nga dili sila terorista, but common people will says otherwise PERIOD.Â* :mrgreen:

Im not a blind supporter of the NPA. Nag compare lang ko sa style s NPA ug other terrorist group. Gee, even communist groups in other countries dwarf the actions of NPA. Dili sama ka brutal ang NPA sa Nepalese communist ug kadtong Semandino Luminoso (shining Path) rebels sa Peru.

Pero NPA how come? Pinangga man nila ang mga tawo. Wa man mo katubag sa premise nga dili sila mang angin ug civilian. Molikay man mo ani nga punto. Kamo siguro blind supporter of the very unpopular, anti people, blood thirsty and shameful AFP.

[arnoldsa]

http://www.philsol.nl/A03a/HRLeftPur...ntos-feb03.htm

[pandisal]

NDF? Terrorist org? Ngano gud tawon. Tinood ma momba na sila ug cell site (mayra sad uy kay daku kaayo gianansya cellfone companies) ug manunug ug bus pero WA MAY CIVILIAN ILANG I ANGIN.

Hmmmm...familiar kaayo kag tinubagan....Uyyyyyy...

"Welcome back S.N.M.P."

OT. Yep... thats S.N.M.P.... i thought human na siya ani nga forum... dili na daw siya mo balik... naa raman gihapon...

btw, ngano gud lalison pa gyud kung ang NDF terorista or dili, ka klaro ra a ana ah,.... only the blind and supporter sa NDF ang mo sulti
nga dili sila terorista, but common people will says otherwise PERIOD. :mrgreen:

Im not a blind supporter of the NPA. Nag compare lang ko sa style s NPA ug other terrorist group. Gee, even communist groups in other countries dwarf the actions of NPA. Dili sama ka brutal ang NPA sa Nepalese communist ug kadtong Semandino Luminoso (shining Path) rebels sa Peru.

Pero NPA how come? Pinangga man nila ang mga tawo. Wa man mo katubag sa premise nga dili sila mang angin ug civilian. Molikay man mo ani nga punto. Kamo siguro blind supporter of the very unpopular, anti people, blood thirsty and shameful AFP.

what do you mean by "dwarft the actions of NPA" .... hahaha... basaha nang link even your comrades niadto... INYONG gi pamatay "communist" style!!!!

The Left purge or purges I understand refer to the anti-infiltration campaigns of the Communist Party of the Philippines (CPP)-New People’s Army (NPA), notably “Ahos,� “Missing Link� and “Olympia� in the second half of the 1980s, which resulted in prisoner maltreatment, torture and summary execution of several thousand largely innocent CPP and NPA cadres and members suspected of being deep-penetration agents (DPAs) or, in other words, spies or saboteurs.

don't tell me, niadto ra na, nag bag-o na ang NPA ron, nangayo na sila ug pasaylo? lol !

[gareb]

bcasabee:

kung walay NDF do you think ang military i spread out? Dili uy, adto na sila ibutang sa baraks mag practice sa ilang skills, manggawas lang na sila sa barracks kung naay security threats...Unsaon naa may NDF so dili pud kalikayan nga mo spread out ang military...suma total...kung dili mo ganahan nga ang military mo spread out....wagtanga nang NPA.....simple as that....

look at the thing from the perspective of a bird, not an ant. the military is mandated to protect the state, hence anything that threatens it (tangible representation of the state is the government or GRP) should be eliminated. on the NFD's side, the NPA is mandated to protect the state which it sees is represented bythe NDF. two governments at war with each other. get it?

....dili na terrorism sa ilaha part....it is just a punitive action.....kita ka anang salida nila ni FPJ or Erap sa una nga naay mga sindikato sindikato ba.....unya ang mga syndikato mangayo ug tong sa mga vendors sa merkado unya kung dili gani mohatag ug tong kay bulagbugon dayon ang mga tinda....worst kulatahon pa ang nagtinda....

replace your "sindikato sindikato" with yours truly Government of the Republic of the Philippines, and there simply is no difference, sir. the GRP also claims it as their territory. and they will confiscate your property or imprison you if you won't pay up.

please, let us not be too dense here!. pwede?

franklin:

i dont think this war will end by peaceful means

precisely because it is not being given any chance.

tolstoi

what i'm trying to imply is that what sets-out between these scenarious is the fact that in Â*the revolutionary tax example, a gun or firepower is involve thus an imminent danger on the aggrieved individual is predominant compared to your mother-child example.:

sir, you specifically said (and i quote), "FEAR on the aggrieved individual" NOT "imminent danger on the aggrieved individual". please do not try and change the rules of the game at the middle of it all so that an error of argumentation can stand as if it is not.

but are you aware that by re-defining your idea of 'terrorism' as "imminent danger on the aggrieved individual", that it sits well with the definition provided by the Geneva Declaration? violence against civilian populations is almost equal to "imminent danger on the aggrieved individual" provided that the individual is a civilian.

very well. guns and firepower? how about the demolition of squatters' shanties? you have the right ingredients here. destruction of private property (houses as the land that these are standing on isn't exactly 'destroyed'), disruption of civilian lives, guns and firepower (during the demolition day), ultimatum, etc. if you can call these acts by the GRP as terrorist acts, and be held accountable for it, then i believe that for fairness' sake, the excercise of the NDF can also be labelled 'terroristic'.

as you can see a certain business establishment was compelled to pay a LUMP sum of P80 Â*million pesos, and since they failed to pay this sum, as a consequence their equipments were torched and were forced to suspend operation.

contrast this on GRP's way of taxation and then weigh-out which among the two is more Â*terroristic in terms of implementation. Â*

you have so many definitions of the words 'terrorism' and 'terroristic' and you use it arbitrarily according to how you see fit, and i admittedly am dizzy. i have to ask, in this latest usage of the word in the phrase 'more terroristic in terms of implementation', what do you mean?

first off, did you get the information on how much the GRP actually asked as tax for those Chinese operations? second, how did the GRP actually collect the said amount of tax? because i simply cannot 'contrast' anything if there is nothing to 'contrast' your given details against.

Killing of ‘Nong Boy bear imprints of human rights violation
http://www.cyberdyaryo.com/statement...3_0602_03.html

CPP-NPA, major human rights violators in Mindanao - Gen. Luna
http://wowcagayandeoro.com/?p=56

Cornered NPAs kill bus driver
http://www.malaya.com.ph/apr12/news4.htm

the brutal killing of Nong Boy Ocmen is now under the investigation of the Joint Monitoring Committee of the CAHRIHL. the NDF will bear full responsibility of the consequences once it will be clear that it was done by the NPA's in that area. however, i simply cannot take this certain Gen. Luna for his words. between the statements of the Commission on Human Rights against the AFP's with regards to human rights, i'll take the commission's word anytime.

with regards to your last news link. i was following that news last year. ABS-CBN did live feeds. the perps were later arrested claiming to be former-NPA's. no longer active. they deserve to be in jail.

[gareb]

guys, can we make this disscussion more mature for a change? and i mean intellectually mature.

off with the unwarranted labels, insinuations, personal accusations.

prove what you say has worth by saying it with respect.

let's all talk about the topic here. and not resort to mud slingings.


pwede ba na?

[bcasabee]

@gareb Please comment on the whole statement and not on a single line of sentence lang....

....dili na terrorism sa ilaha part....it is just a punitive action.....kita ka anang salida nila ni FPJ or Erap sa una nga naay mga sindikato sindikato ba.....unya ang mga syndikato mangayo ug tong sa mga vendors sa merkado unya kung dili gani mohatag ug tong kay bulagbugon dayon ang mga tinda....worst kulatahon pa ang nagtinda....
.....pero it is not terrorism part ha kay wala baya na gi define sa Geneva Convention....Unya kadtong syndikato dili pud to terrorist...ilaha gud tong territoryo didto gud so natural...mangayo jud ug tax ang kadto nga syndikato kay government gud to sila adtong dapita......ok ba?
Unya mo abot dayon si Erap or si FPJ....iya dayon kulatahon tong mga syndikato.... kinsa may sakto ron....si FPJ/Erap or kadtong mga syndikato?

and para fair, ok ill replace syndikato with GRP, no problem.....so you see? even if GRP are terrorists......it doesn't take out the fact that the NDFs are terrorists too.....another terrorist.....

....dili na terrorism sa ilaha part....it is just a punitive action.....kita ka anang salida nila ni FPJ or Erap sa una nga naay mga GRP GRP ba.....unya ang mga GRP mangayo ug tong sa mga vendors sa merkado unya kung dili gani mohatag ug tong kay bulagbugon dayon ang mga tinda....worst kulatahon pa ang nagtinda....
.....pero it is not terrorism part ha kay wala baya na gi define sa Geneva Convention....Unya kadtong GRP dili pud to terrorist...ilaha gud tong territoryo didto gud so natural...mangayo jud ug tax ang kadto nga syndikato kay government gud to sila adtong dapita......ok ba?
Unya mo abot dayon si Erap or si FPJ....iya dayon kulatahon tong mga GRP .... kinsa may sakto ron....si FPJ/Erap or kadtong mga GRP ?

[bcasabee]

@gareb My point is, if I were to choose between the two terrorist groups....the GRP and the NDF.....certainly, GRP is my choice........why reinvent the wheel?................why don't they just help in improving it?............

[mosimos]

GRP a terrorist org? How come?

[gareb]

@gareb My point is, if I were to choose between the two terrorist groups....the GRP and the NDF.....certainly, GRP is my choice........why reinvent the wheel?................why don't they just help in improving it?............

if that is the case then tell GMA to label her government a terrorist group too. enough said.