conspiracy theories

[THE SKULLS]

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usa-usa lang sa ka topic. pwede? para dili libog.
olrayts..

[pinoy_09]

Both of you did not catch my drift when I said both are NOT comparable. It is not comparable because the Koresh murders were caused by a psychopathic man's abuse toward its members (particularly little children), and the government felt it needed to do whatever it can to stop the sect. It did not "run an OP against American citizens" just to "start a war". It doesn't even make SENSE.

[THE SKULLS]

It's still an act of terror (killing). That's what make it comparable to other one. Olrayts!!

[Sand Man]

Take a breath. No one is arguing about your point.

... It did not "run an OP against American citizens" just to "start a war". It doesn't even make SENSE.

It will not make sense if you think of it that way. I did not say they did that to start a war.

One argument about that incident was that the FBI HRT team was fully capable to handle it (it was basically a barricaded hostage taking). So why was Delta Force there?

Second, the US Armed forces can only operate on US soil under very specific conditions due to the Posse Comitatus Act in their Constitution. This incident was not part of those conditions.

[Soul Doctor]

Of course, it isn't.



Good that you're here, Doc. Need your answer to this:

Naa baya to sa TV bro.
during sa issue sa balikatan funds nga gigamit sa generals.
apil sad didto gi-interview ang mga sundalo nga tua na nagpaassign sa iraq.
nakalimot lang ko sa program. passive ra man gud ko magtan-aw og TV documentary.

i remember some of them goes thru a private security contractor.
kato sila ang mas dako ang bayad. sila maoy gi-assign pag-escort og VIPs and other supply cargo trucks.
P50,000 a month. ilang sweldo.

[pinoy_09]

The common things about both sites you are pointing out are the obvious character attacks to Gage. Why are these people attacking his character? It is in an effort to discredit him. (I think that's a form of compliment, in itself) Hadlok sila ni Gage so they try another route to attack him. (That's just my observation, though)

Again, the only thing Gage and his associates want is to re-open the investigation. Don't you think we can all benefit from that? How can they not possibly grant that? If they want to silence the nay-sayers then re-open the investigation and let the public scrutinize the Commission's findings.

Easy right? In your mind, unsa may nakalisod if ilang i-grant na confident man kaha ni sila sa ilang findings??

Anyway, let me just say for the record that I have no stake in this thing. Nangugat na man lang gyud mo diri and the arguments are just spinning around. I came in here to read the posts in the hope that either side would present strong evidences to support their arguments. Makawala lang ug gana kung magbinaylu-ay na ug insulto.

I will post articles as I come across them in relation to what you guys are discussing at the moment just so I can help you guys find "closure". What is futile man sad gud is that all our sources are internet. As agent said, newspaper/magazine clippings would be good --- unsa kaha kanindut magtapok ta ilang Agent nya magda tag isa ka box an Tanduay ng tukion nato ng iyang mga clippings?? Hmmm...

Personally, as I said in the previous thread, buildings do not crumble the way WTC did. Mao ra gyud na akoa. Mura man ug puro ra semento ang building adtong kalakiha -- murag way mga kabilya ug steel beams gibutang, ditso man lang ka-pulbos. Ug natunga lang siguro to nya natumba ang katunga OK siguro. Katuohan pa. Para ra ni nako ha...

I think that as we tackle this subject, we should also put into consideration that America is full of conspiracies simply because it is a powerful country, and there are powerful people in there who either think they are above the law, or they think that what they are doing is for the good of the people and "it's best daw that the constituents need not know about the whole truth".

Does that sound familiar? How about plausible deniability? There is a very small ring of powerful people within that country's government who have the power to order their top surgical teams to run ops only a very few people will ever know about. This power was exercised in the recent bin Laden raid, and they admitted to that. So, this is a confirmation that that sort of method exists...

So what's stopping them from running an op like 9/11? But you might say "Ha? They will run a secret op to kill thousands of their own people just to start a war??" Well, their military (super-secret unit, Delta Force) did run an op against American citizens and killed them (Waco, Texas).

So there, maybe some of you can't imagine why they would do that, but then again, power and greed are such good motivators.

And unless someone from that "inner circle" will crack and come out, and testify, point the fingers, and present indisputable proofs, until then we can only speculate.

America is full of conspiracies because people create them. Freedom has its consequences. People are FREE to believe that they want to believe, and people are free to criticize their government.

It's beyond ridiculous to think a small group of people can order their "secret teams" to perpetrate the biggest "crime" in US history. If that was the case, then at least one of them should have come forward considering how big this "crime" is. No secrets can be left secrets as what Julian Assange has shown, and yet to this date there hasn't been a SINGLE proof that validates your theory. All conspiracy theorists have as weapons are QUESTIONS and lots of questions. When asked for proof to validate their statement they cannot provide one. They only have speculation, questions, and more questions.

No disrespect, but I was beginning to take you seriously, but this post of yours is good for laughs.

[Sand Man]

Naa baya to sa TV bro.
during sa issue sa balikatan funds nga gigamit sa generals.
apil sad didto gi-interview ang mga sundalo nga tua na nagpaassign sa iraq.
nakalimot lang ko sa program. passive ra man gud ko magtan-aw og TV documentary.

i remember some of them goes thru a private security contractor.
kato sila ang mas dako ang bayad. sila maoy gi-assign pag-escort og VIPs and other supply cargo trucks.
P50,000 a month. ilang sweldo.

I understand if contractors go there. There was a big issue when Blackwater opened a facility in Subic. Click here for the article. Kadto sila grabe jud to ug mga sweldo. Kadto daan gi-feature sa Magandang Gabi na pulis diri sauna then nag contractor sa Iraq, mansion dayon ang balay.

What I don't get is your claim na mismo mga sundalo nga nag-serve pa na niapil ug Balikatan pwede na makabuot ang US sna iadto sila sa Iraq. That's unheard of. Akong ig-agaw duha na ka Balikatan Exercises naapilan, naa pa man lagi siya sa Phil. Army?

Basin pasabot nimo former Philippine Army nya ni-retire na then nisud ug training sa Blackwater then niadto ug Iraq. Kana motoo ko ana...

[THE SKULLS]

then laugh. and we'll just smile. olrayts.

[pinoy_09]

OT: Wa nako kahibaw asa padung ang topic.

[THE SKULLS]

to keep you updated, mahitungod ni sa mga sundalo nga nisalmot sa balikatan ug kadto pud security contractor.