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[giddyboy]

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or so they say...

if pork barrels are spent the way they should be, wa na'y pag patay para mahimong congressman. wa sad nagkagubot ang congress pag propose ug abolish ani. congress is just a one big country club of thieves. i know it, you know it.

sir, please don't get too "textbook" on us.

that's why being objective on this matters do not work because the system that you are constantly citing is not "objective" so to speak. heck, even congress entertains and indulges in propaganda.

ur glittering generalizations cannot help your arguments about the shady FLI deal...it's another motherhood statement actually. u r avoiding the FLI issue.

Don't justify tolerating the shady FLI deal just because u think all Congressmen are thieves. And if u think all Congressmen are thieves, pasagdan nlng ang FLI ug u just go subjective nlng...Sorry but it won't help.

And pls don't get offended by saying im too textbook coz that's just how to be objective...

If there is smoke, don't blame the cheerleader.

If u say, what's the big deal? they are all thieves anyway? that cannot in any way to be good citizens of our country...gigisa ra nimo atong kaugalingon sa atong kaugalingong mantika.

as ive said earlier, political rivalry (and propaganda) is already irrelevant at this point. If u pretend to be blind, deaf, and mute to the real issues, nobody can help u other than urself.

Basta ayaw lng pagbasol inig human...

basta sa ako lng nga part, i don't want another lamp post scandal happening again that is even possibly worse than Piatco. ky dili raman gud ako ang magbasol if i just let this pass. Hasta akong future grandchildren apil pud.

[LytSlpr]

basta sa ako lng nga part, i don't want another lamp post scandal happening again that is even possibly worse than Piatco. ky dili raman gud ako ang magbasol if i just let this pass. Hasta akong future grandchildren apil pud.

you don't want another lamp post issue? it's just funny how you put it because in that particular scandal there was a fish who got away or shall i say the squid who got away. abi nako si tomas ang master sa nokus2x, di ra man di'ay siya ra.

mao na ako pasabot, puro na negosyo galing lang sa SRP/FLI wala sila kasakay.

ciudad nganong gibabagan? probably because ni-retaliate si osmena sa land swap deal. if concerned gyud ang capitol sa costituents sa province, they should focus on the development sa province. if you will say that ciudad will add revenues to capitol's coffers, that is not reason enough because the projects should be physically be in the provinces to maximize the benefits to its constituents through jobs and commerce.

pero unsaon ta man, mas sayon man gud ang pangwarta sa transaction2x ug yuta di pa gyud ma problema ang capitol unsaon pag sustain.

balik ta sa CICC, doctored reports and manifestos aside, maka-ingon ka categorically nga nahapak sa project ang total project amount, YES or NO? it's as simple as that.

of course you will throw the "it's not what you know but what you can prove" analogy but cebuanos are not stupid sir.

BTW, ingna si tita gwen ipatang-tang to ang mga Dai-Ichi speakers kay basag kaayo ug sound. Basin sa bill of materials, Bose or Bang & Olufsen gi butang didto kay ora2x baya ug dagway, pero kung tutokan ug maayo Dai-Ichi di'ay to, TOINK!

OT: Kinsa man intawn buang na tawo mo butang ug Dai-Ichi speakers sa usa ka International Convention Center? Bisan Ramsa or Yamaha na lang unta to kung di sila maka afford ug Shure, Senheisser or Behringer.

Gi bogo-an na lang gyud ni sila sa mga Sugbuanon.

[giddyboy]

you don't want another lamp post issue? it's just funny how you put it because in that particular scandal there was a fish who got away or shall i say the squid who got away. abi nako si tomas ang master sa nokus2x, di ra man di'ay siya ra.

mao na ako pasabot, puro na negosyo galing lang sa SRP/FLI wala sila kasakay.

it's funny how u put a supposed fish who got away without putting much emphasis on basis. what's ur basis? u mean mas ngilngig pa diay ka sa mga investigators rn nga sayon ra kau nimo i accuse ang tawo nga wa gyuy proof nga labot cya sa anomaliya? LOLs

Just because all the city mayors involved including some DPWH officials and those in the Engineering Dept are being charged for the lamp post scandal except Gwen means she got away with it? No, no, my friend. u got it all wrong there. The mere fact that she was not charged means that there is no basis to charge her in the first place.

ciudad nganong gibabagan? probably because ni-retaliate si osmena sa land swap deal. if concerned gyud ang capitol sa costituents sa province, they should focus on the development sa province. if you will say that ciudad will add revenues to capitol's coffers, that is not reason enough because the projects should be physically be in the provinces to maximize the benefits to its constituents through jobs and commerce.
pero unsaon ta man, mas sayon man gud ang pangwarta sa transaction2x ug yuta di pa gyud ma problema ang capitol unsaon pag sustain.

"Probably" is not good enough. That is tantamount to guessing. and let me make a correction: it is not Osmena ang ni retaliate sa land swap deal. It is Gwen. Remember who broke the straw first. It's not Gwen. Remember who lied about the FLI deal. It is not Capitol. It is not PJ. But it is Tomas. FLI even said it themselves that Tomas lied. Remember also who lied about the new 3rd District supposedly supported by the Council. It is not Tony Cuenco but Tomas.

If u say Ciudad is not enough reason and funds should be in the provinces to maximize constituent benefits, well u better tell that idea to her. or ikaw nlng kha ang pag governor. mas ngilngig pa man kha ka when it comes to setting priorities.

balik ta sa CICC, doctored reports and manifestos aside, maka-ingon ka categorically nga nahapak sa project ang total project amount, YES or NO? it's as simple as that.
of course you will throw the "it's not what you know but what you can prove" analogy but cebuanos are not stupid sir.

if we base it on reality check, naa gyuy possibility nga nka SOP ang mga tagdumala sa CICC project. It is common knowledge as prejudicial to all govt contracts. But the foundations of the contract to build CICC has no legal impediments whatsoever as compared to this FLI deal...There's a big difference there. It is as simple as that.

Thus u r comparing apples to oranges.

BTW, ingna si tita gwen ipatang-tang to ang mga Dai-Ichi speakers kay basag kaayo ug sound. Basin sa bill of materials, Bose or Bang & Olufsen gi butang didto kay ora2x baya ug dagway, pero kung tutokan ug maayo Dai-Ichi di'ay to, TOINK!
OT: Kinsa man intawn buang na tawo mo butang ug Dai-Ichi speakers sa usa ka International Convention Center? Bisan Ramsa or Yamaha na lang unta to kung di sila maka afford ug Shure, Senheisser or Behringer.
Gi bogo-an na lang gyud ni sila sa mga Sugbuanon.

mag buot diay ka kung Dai-Ichi ang naa gyud sa specs sa CICC? kung wa ka ganahi ug gusto kag mas mahalon just to satisfy your audiophile fantasies, u tell her urself! why ask somebody to do it for u? it's ur complaint, not mine anyway...besides, way mobalibad nimo kung mo donate ka ug Ramsa or Bose sa CICC.

di man tanang Cebuano parehas nimog utok...

[mexicanlady]

Supalpal gyud ning mga Garcia ba ig balik ni Tomas. Kausahon ra ni silang Tomas. Knowing Tomas nga way gihadlokan, wa gani nahadlok sa iyang sakit na cancer. Mang hilabot man ning mga Garcia sa Cebu city oi nga na may ilahang daghang problema atimanonon sa province. Gi bugo-an sila sa mga city officials nga mga lawyers gud sad na ang uban officials. For me lang ha, di siguro sila mo transact regarding SRP deal if they know from the start nga anomalous ang transaction. They will answer all the questions raised by the Garcias in the proper time and forum. Ayaw lang sa gud mo ka excited mga garcia loyalists and surrogates!! LOLs!!! Gahuwat ug gipatagbaw ra sa na nila ang mga Garcias sa ilahang gibati hahahahahah! Ig human sa tagawtaw nilang PJ, maayo ingnon sila nga, "humana mo?tagbaw na mo? karon amo na sad turn." The way manulti ang mga Garcia murag sila na man lang gyud ang limpyo, hawod ug kahibawo sa tanan. Let's wait and see kay basin ikiha sa mga city officials ug economic sabotage ang province. Abangan ang susunod na kabanata!!!LOLs!!!

[LytSlpr]

1] did I say si Gwen? hehe!! you always ask for proof, this is not a court. every intelligent Cebuano knows, so ayaw na lang ta. for the nth time, that's the beauty of the internet.

2] land swap? kinsa ang wa nidayon, huh? that's before FLI deal. about ciudad, i don't need to say anything more. all i know is puro superficial and photo-ops ang agi sa province. again, nganong naa gud kwarta ang province nga kung buot huna-hunaon kung gastuhon tanan kwarta sa capitol, kuwang pa na para sa development sa province. it doesn't take a genius to know that. pero unsa man ilang gi-prioritize beh, di ba ang real estate transactions for reasons I already mentioned.

3] no argument there, wala lagi legal impediments because maayo man pagka-sanitize ang mga papel. mura ra gud ug land grabbing, everything is "legal" so to speak from RD to SC but it does not discount the fact of injustice.

4] you totally missed the point about the Dai-Ichi speakers, hehe!!


ayaw lagi ipamukha namo ang legalities because that is not our concern, what i want you to know is that the cebuanos know. this maybe a subjective, sweeping generality to a textbook person like you but WE KNOW and that is enough for me and the rest of the Cebuanos.

gusto ka mo ingon sad ko nga na'ay naka commission for every truck nga gi-dump sa SRP as well as the street lighting there. we all know that, just don't insult our intelligence that the Garcias are so noble and so clean.

in terms of comparison, the Garcias NEVER accomplished any project of the same magnitude the Osmenas did. all that you cited and mentioned in the past in all the Garcia-relate threads have no bearing whatsoever.

[giddyboy]

Supalpal gyud ning mga Garcia ba ig balik ni Tomas. Kausahon ra ni silang Tomas. Knowing Tomas nga way gihadlokan, wa gani nahadlok sa iyang sakit na cancer.

kausahon rani ni Tomas ug nokus2x...LOLs

Mang hilabot man ning mga Garcia sa Cebu city oi nga na may ilahang daghang problema atimanonon sa province. Gi bugo-an sila sa mga city officials nga mga lawyers gud sad na ang uban officials.

so u prefer diay nga dili nlng mahibaw-an ang baho sa FLI deal...ana nlng ka sayon? Even though some city officials are lawyers doesn't mean they can't also make mistakes. All lawyers can make mistakes.

For me lang ha, di siguro sila mo transact regarding SRP deal if they know from the start nga anomalous ang transaction.

let's put this in proper perspective. when the invitation to bid was opened to bidders, naa na ba diay kontrata gipirmahan ang SRP ug FLI? so how will Capitol know in the first place nga anomalous ang transaction nga wala pamay transaction nahitabo? mao btaw after seeing the contract, ila gi question ky the provisions did not jibe with what has been cited in the invitation to bid, thus the only explanation is that SRP is giving special treatment to FLI and putting other competent bidders at a disadvantage.

They will answer all the questions raised by the Garcias in the proper time and forum.

yeah right. Pulling out their ads to the last minute is a start.

Ayaw lang sa gud mo ka excited mga garcia loyalists and surrogates!! LOLs!!! Gahuwat ug gipatagbaw ra sa na nila ang mga Garcias sa ilahang gibati hahahahahah! Ig human sa tagawtaw nilang PJ, maayo ingnon sila nga, "humana mo?tagbaw na mo? karon amo na sad turn." The way manulti ang mga Garcia murag sila na man lang gyud ang limpyo, hawod ug kahibawo sa tanan. Let's wait and see kay basin ikiha sa mga city officials ug economic sabotage ang province. Abangan ang susunod na kabanata!!!LOLs!!!

or let us put it this way instead: ang City Council karon naglibog pa unsaon pag tubag sa mga pangutana to the point ila gi pull out ang ads sa newspaper to the last minute ky ila pa usbon kno...LOLs

Sun.Star explained that they did not publish the ad coz the City still has a big payable to them and must be paid first. well, ang pangutana, what about the other newspaper pud? why gi pull out man gyud hasta sa pikas?

the longer they withhold information, the more compelling the FLI issue becomes. yeah, some people can wait lage, but we cannot blame some people also that they want answers right away.

and also, u got it the other way around. ang city officials (including FLI) ang naay porohan nga makiha ug economic sabotage/plunder/violation of constitution. not PJ. not Capitol...think, think, think.

and just because some people are clamoring for specific answers means loyalists (and surrogates) na cla sa mga Garcia. That is not a good argument.

as for me, i am willing to wait. but not forever.

[giddyboy]

1] did I say si Gwen? hehe!! you always ask for proof, this is not a court. every intelligent Cebuano knows, so ayaw na lang ta. for the nth time, that's the beauty of the internet.

yeah, for the nth time, the beauty of the internet is that u can always say things from a range of total non-sense, to hearsay, to factual...LOLs

every intelligent Cebuano knows that.

2] land swap? kinsa ang wa nidayon, huh? that's before FLI deal. about ciudad, i don't need to say anything more. all i know is puro superficial and photo-ops ang agi sa province. again, nganong naa gud kwarta ang province nga kung buot huna-hunaon kung gastuhon tanan kwarta sa capitol, kuwang pa na para sa development sa province. it doesn't take a genius to know that. pero unsa man ilang gi-prioritize beh, di ba ang real estate transactions for reasons I already mentioned.

u don't know the real story behind the botched land swap deal do u? well, let me enlighten you:

"During her first term as governor, Garcia made it a policy to recover all the properties of the Province for the benefit of her constituents.

With Garcia’s declaration, Cebu City Mayor Tomas Osmeña offered a land swap deal, which was later botched because of the "dawat limpyo" statement of Vice Mayor Michael Rama, insulting the province.

In a privilege speech, Rama said that the deal was disadvantageous to the city even if the lot they will be swapping could not compensate for the 93-1 lots which are prime commercial properties.

"Were these Cebu City traditional politicians able to give you solutions to your problems? No, a resounding no," said delos Santos who recalled the trouble the occupants had to go through because of the decision of the city officials to make it a political issue.

"Ang istorya sa 93-1 ug sa dalan pa, makuti ug makutas," said the governor.

"I will not be blackmailed. I will not be pressured by anyone who thinks he is God’s gift to Cebu," said Garcia recalling how the Cebu City government halted a major project of the province in Banilad so that the provincial government would go back negotiating with the land swap deal."

ang pangutana dili kinsay wa nidayon. ang pangutana, kinsa ang nanginsulto ug una resulting sa wa pgka dayon. ayaw ilihay ang isyu pre.

Nuff said...

3] no argument there, wala lagi legal impediments because maayo man pagka-sanitize ang mga papel. mura ra gud ug land grabbing, everything is "legal" so to speak from RD to SC but it does not discount the fact of injustice.

u totally missed my point here. naa bay gi violate ang CICC sa constitution? wala. naa bay provisions sa contract nga ni violate sa provisions sa invitation to bid? wala. so how can u say maau pgka sanitize ang papel? u mean naay wrong sa contract pero maau pgka tago? unsa gi bogo-an ka sa mga opposition? my man, there is no sense in that at all. otherwise, hagbay ra unta na nakaso.

how about FLI? can u categorically say that the contract did not violate any provisions sa Constitution? can u categorically say that the FLI deal did not violate the provisions of the invitation to bid?

what is in the FLI deal nga probably common with CICC? di ba SOP? mao rana pre. but if we are talking about following the Consitution when it comes to the deals, pwerteng lahia gyud.

4] you totally missed the point about the Dai-Ichi speakers, hehe!!

if u r talking about a "probably" lahi ang specs sa contract like kung Bose gyud nya ang gi deliver Dai-ichi, well, makita mana ug ma question. pero sorry to inform u, it was accdg to specs gyud.

ayaw lagi ipamukha namo ang legalities because that is not our concern, what i want you to know is that the cebuanos know. this maybe a subjective, sweeping generality to a textbook person like you but WE KNOW and that is enough for me and the rest of the Cebuanos.

what i want to ipamukha nimo is that clearly the FLI deal is anomalous and the questions raised are all valid. But u turn the other cheek as if nothing is wrong. op kors that is not ur concern...klaro man sab...LOLs

i already also mentioned that yes the cebuanos know that there is a high probability nga nka SOP cla sa CICC as a common knowledge as prejudicial to all govt transactions.

but i am not questioning SOPs here. what i am questioning are the violations the FLI deal has done to our Constitution per se. There's a big difference there.

gusto ka mo ingon sad ko nga na'ay naka commission for every truck nga gi-dump sa SRP as well as the street lighting there. we all know that, just don't insult our intelligence that the Garcias are so noble and so clean.

again, i did not say the Garcias are noble and clean.

in terms of comparison, the Garcias NEVER accomplished any project of the same magnitude the Osmenas did. all that you cited and mentioned in the past in all the Garcia-relate threads have no bearing whatsoever.

different folks, different strokes. and nobody can please everybody...it's like also saying that some are not satisfied with what Tomas has done under his term. mao2x rana.

[mexicanlady]

Bottomline line is: lagot lang gyud ang mga Garcia ni Tomas kay di man gyud sila kadut ni Tomas bisag unsaon pa nila. Pikatan lang na silang Tomas LOls! Nganong sila man gyud ang magpaka hero ug question. obvious ra kaayo na sila nga nag dumot gyud na silang Tomas kay wa katukod sa ilang ciudad project ug ang mga insulto ni Tomas ngadto nila. Mao ngita jud na silag buslot, unya karon kakita man silag buslot, tagawtaw maayo hahahhaha! hala sige mo mga Garcia hangtod asa mo kutob pag gukod sa cebu city hall.Atimana na inyong dakong problema sa probinsya oi malipay pang mga taga probinsya ninyo.

[giddyboy]

Bottomline line is: lagot lang gyud ang mga Garcia ni Tomas kay di man gyud sila kadut ni Tomas bisag unsaon pa nila. Pikatan lang na silang Tomas LOls! Nganong sila man gyud ang magpaka hero ug question. obvious ra kaayo na sila nga nag dumot gyud na silang Tomas kay wa katukod sa ilang ciudad project ug ang mga insulto ni Tomas ngadto nila. Mao ngita jud na silag buslot, unya karon kakita man silag buslot, tagawtaw maayo hahahhaha! hala sige mo mga Garcia hangtod asa mo kutob pag gukod sa cebu city hall.Atimana na inyong dakong problema sa probinsya oi malipay pang mga taga probinsya ninyo.

Bottomline: c Gwen ra gyud ang nka barug against the arrogance of Tomas!!! LOLs

other than her (or mga Garcia), WALA! Nka kita na gyud ug kaatbang c Tomas, FINALLY! and to think babaye ang iyang kaatbang! LOLs

Gatuo c Tomas nga dili mosukol c Gwen sa iyang pag una2x ug insulto sa Province.

Lagot lang gyud ni c Tomas ni Gwen ky di man gyud kadut cya ni Gwen bsag unsaon pa niya.

Ngita ug buslot ang Province, unya karon kakita man ug buslot, murag walay mahims ang Council....hahaha

hala sige mo mga Osmena hangtod asa mo kutob pag daut sa Garcia ug Province. Atimana na inyong dakong problema sa FLI deal ora mismo. malipay pa ang mga Cebuano ninyo.

[LytSlpr]

I will indulge you, if the questions raised by PJ about SRP has substance according to the constitution, then why in congress? mag mudslinging ra na sila didto, ipaki-uwaw ang cebu on nationwide TV, no resolution will ever come up as always, in congress.

Talawan man gud si PJ, hiding under the cloak of his immunity just like Lacson. Kung naa gyud siya'y basis, ipa file sa court or ombudsman or if it's plunderous sa sandiganbayan.

But no, he just wants face time dragging the Cebuanos to the image of his though funny but ugly caricature.

Again, wa ko molaban ni Tomas laban ko sa Cebu. Granting naa gyud basis si PJ, though maybe nakakita siya ug legal buslot, he has no moral authority to question it and if he were a true gentleman and supposedly the better man being a lawyer, dapat ni-abstain siya sa issue kay ma-tainted man ug political color.