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bound to err and bound to do good.. yes our acts should be regulated when it gets out of hand, depends on who's preaching the ways of your god..

daan pako maabot jd ni ni hitler ning storyaa haha... well si hitler had his own personal agenda why he did it, the reason for his atrocity was mainly due ra sad sa influence, tungod atong Party nga iyang giapilan sauna... well anyway i know some pious people who slaughtered people, during the inquisition, kato sang baga'g nawng nga pari sa mandaue,

Yup you're right,
and the church was not exempted and thus even became a victim of those in power like hitler.
But during the inquisition it was these personalities who was behind it.
Purpose Of Spanish Inquisition - How Did It Start?

In the 15th century, Spain was not a single state but a confederation of kingdoms, each with their own administration.
The extensive Crown of Aragon was ruled by Ferdinand, whilst that of Castile was governed by Isabella.

Ferdinand and Isabella eventually married, thus consolidating several independent realms into one state.

Much of the Iberian Peninsula had been ruled by the Moors. The southern regions in particular were heavily populated by Muslims and the larger cities had a high Jewish population.

While the Castilian Isabella was a devout Catholic, the Aragonese Ferdinand was not above using religion as a means of controlling his people.

He wanted the Jewish and Muslim religions wiped out in his domains and - for him - the Purpose Of Spanish Inquisition was a means of achieving that aim.

There was also a strong financial motive - Jewish financiers had lent Ferdinand´s father much money.

These debts would be wiped out should the noteholder be condemned in court - another Purpose Of Spanish Inquisition.

The Pope of the time - Sixtus IV - did not originally want the Spanish Inquisition established in Spain at all.

However, Ferdinand prevailed upon Rodrigo Borgia - then Bishop of Valencia and a cardinal - to lobby Rome on his behalf.

Borgia was partially successful and Pope Sixtus IV sanctioned the Inquisiton - but only in the state of Castile.

In 1481, Ferdinand and Isabella appointed Tomás de Torquemada to investigate and punish conversos - Jews and Muslims who claimed to have converted to Catholicism but continued to practice their former religion in secret.

The authority of the Inquisition was supposed to reach only Christians, not Jews or Muslims but, since 1492, every Jew in the King´s states had been either baptized or expelled.

Sixtus IV was unhappy with the excesses of the Spanish Inquisition and disallowed it to spread to Aragon.

He alleged that it was a ploy by Ferdinand and Isabella to confiscate Jews´ property and valuables.

However, Ferdinand was King of Sicily and several other kingdoms apart from Aragon and he used this power as leverage against the Pope - he threatened to withhold military supprt of the Holy See.

Consequently, the Pope relented, giving the Spanish Inquisition his blessing.

Ferdinand now had everything he sought:

· the Inquisition was under his control
· it had Papal approval

The Royal coffers began to swell with loot from Jewish and other victims ... Was this the original Purpose of Spanish Inquisition?




Purpose Of Spanish Inquisition - When Did It End?

Pope Sixtus IV died in 1484 to be succeeded by Innocent VIII.

Innocent VIII supported the Spanish Inquisition wholeheartedly and ordered all Catholic monarchs to extradite fleeing Jews back to Spain where they could stand trial.

During Napoleonic rule - between 1808 and 1812 - it was removed, to be reinstituted when Ferdinand VII recovered the throne of Spain.

It did not end officially until 1834 - a good 350 years after it be
Purpose Of Spanish Inquisition - Spanish Inquisition

And the true catholic view

The medieval Inquisition began in 1184 when Pope Lucius III sent a list of heresies to Europe's bishops and commanded them to take an active role in determining whether those accused of heresy were, in fact, guilty. Rather than relying on secular courts, local lords, or just mobs, bishops were to see to it that accused heretics in their dioceses were examined by knowledgeable churchmen using Roman laws of evidence. In other words, they were to "inquire" — thus, the term "inquisition."

From the perspective of secular authorities, heretics were traitors to God and king and therefore deserved death. From the perspective of the Church, however, heretics were lost sheep that had strayed from the flock. As shepherds, the pope and bishops had a duty to bring those sheep back into the fold, just as the Good Shepherd had commanded them. So, while medieval secular leaders were trying to safeguard their kingdoms, the Church was trying to save souls. The Inquisition provided a means for heretics to escape death and return to the community.

Most people accused of heresy by the medieval Inquisition were either acquitted or their sentence suspended. Those found guilty of grave error were allowed to confess their sin, do penance, and be restored to the Body of Christ. The underlying assumption of the Inquisition was that, like lost sheep, heretics had simply strayed. If, however, an inquisitor determined that a particular sheep had purposely departed out of hostility to the flock, there was nothing more that could be done. Unrepentant or obstinate heretics were excommunicated and given over to the secular authorities. Despite popular myth, the Church did not burn heretics. It was the secular authorities that held heresy to be a capital offense. The simple fact is that the medieval Inquisition saved uncounted thousands of innocent (and even not-so-innocent) people who would otherwise have been roasted by secular lords or mob rule.
The Truth About the Spanish Inquisition

But whatever extreme unwanted events happened in the past,
mistakes made because of humanly judgment and not of GOD, what's important is to follow the good teachings as written in the Holy Book and neither Inquisition nor human attributes is by far not a part to be adopted and thus make us a better human beings.

[reggielovescake]

mao ba? wala ka nihimo sa GInoo? cge atong ibutang na wala ka gihimo sa GInoo...karon ngano mo apil man kag reklamo sa among gitawag ug orginal sin? amo raman ni sure man kaha a nga wala kay labot? hahaha, ka ngilngig gud ninyo apil man mo reklamo nga dili man di ie mo labot.

sample napud: nakasala kos akong amahan, gikastigo ko sa akong sala, ug akong gidawat ang akong sala, unsa may labot nimo? imo kung luwason? for what? for eternal salvation? Lols.

anyways kung nag tuo mo nga wala my sala, ngano nag reklamo man mo? dili man kaha tinood nga silotan mo? dili nalang unta mo mabalaka bahin ani? gawas kung nag laom sad mo Lol

parehas nalang kkaron sa atong pang gobyerno, ang nagdumala pinoy nga kurap, unya insik ka, unsa may labot nimo? pasagdahi ang mga pinoy nga sulbaron namo among problema

Are you really intellectually incapable of understanding a reply from your question? Im not saying ni reklamo ko, ni ask ko question ko sa validation sa original sin. You obviously didn't pass your biology class since wa jud ka kasabot nganong naa kas kalibutan. Oo gikan ko sa evolution sa mga apes but that doesn't mean I can't understand your belief? That doesn't mean I will not concern myself with my brethren because I do not believe in the God that created you.

Ug isa pa, ngano diay ka oi? Nganong pareha man tag chromosomes nga di man ka gikan sa apes! Gikan man kas Ginoo! hahahah

What about your examples? Ngano diay oi? Gi kastigo ka sa imong papa ky naa kay sala unya gidawat nimo? Ha? Naa naman kay bu.ot! Invalid argument, mga baby wala toy bu.ot nganong apil apilon man ni God ang mga bata nga way bu.ot?


Di ko atheist oi! I dont even know what I want to believe. But i'm pretty sure its not the Christian God. Kung maka basa lang kas Quran, maka ingon kag layo ra jud ang fiction ug metaphor. Anyway dili ko atheist because I certainly believe in a God. But not a Christian God but the God who created the universe.

My point is ni sulti ko nga maong naay 2+2 = 4 kay ang duha gi add.an nimog duha nahimong upat, and you're saying maong 4 ang answer kay tungod sa Ginoo.

[slabdans]

Naunsa man ko? Lol cge balik tas bata nga way buot...original sin...kani nalang para dli ka maguol sa mga bata...matud ni Jesus "Amahan ko! Pasayloa sila kay wala sila masayod sa ilang gibuhat" gi request nana ni Jesus nga pasayloon sila, so ayaw nakaguol sa mga bata kay wala to sila masayod sa ilang gibuhat ug katong gibuhat sa ilang apohan.

B4 pud siya nisaka sa langit ni ingon pud to siya "all the power in heaven and earth was given unto me" apil nato pagpasaylo sa sala sa mga bata.

Regarding biology, nakapasar sad tawon ko ui kapyot lng nfa grado gud murag unggiy ba hehehe

Aw kung nituo man di ie kag Ginoo na hala case dismisd nata kay matug nako...nalapas nako sa ako curfew...unya OT na raba ta matud pang bai @noy basin motawag nag pulis

[noy]

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unsa man? 911 na ta? Lol

[noy]

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Please click the link below

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[NapoleonBlownapart]

haha first of all there was no clay and there was no potter. Human mind before was too primitive to understand biology and evolution. So they think it was magic from a God who created the earth who cared about the thought in your head. Who teaches children who are dying that they are gonna be in hell if they die and teaches everyone to stone virgins and gays to death.

You said you believe in a god that created the universe unya moingon ka nga no clay and no potter? tarunga kuno be unsa man jud tinood? Motuo ka nga naay "God" o dili?

[SioDenz]

OT na kaayu..

Hoi mga Atheist naa namuy Thread na open na. Adtu namu didto Pahungaw joke.


Anyway, para On Topic tah, naa koy Question:

Exodus 32
1And when the people saw that Moses delayed to come down out of the mount, the people gathered themselves together unto Aaron and said unto him, “Arise, make us gods which shall go before us; for as for this Moses, the man who brought us up out of the land of Egypt, we know not what has become of him.”
2 And Aaron said unto them, “Break off the golden earrings which are in the ears of your wives, of your sons and of your daughters, and bring them unto me.”
3 And all the people broke off the golden earrings which were in their ears, and brought them unto Aaron.
4 And he received them from their hand, and fashioned it with an engraving tool after he had made it a molten calf; and they said, “These are thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt!”
5 And when Aaron saw it, he built an altar before it; and Aaron made proclamation and said, “Tomorrow is a feast to the Lord.”
6 And they rose up early on the morrow, and offered burnt offerings, and brought peace offerings; and the people sat down to eat and to drink, and rose up to play.
7 And the Lord said unto Moses, “Go, get thee down; for thy people which thou broughtest out of the land of Egypt have corrupted themselves.
8 They have turned aside quickly out of the way which I commanded them. They have made themselves a molten calf and have worshiped it, and have sacrificed thereunto and said, ‘These are thy gods, O Israel, which have brought thee up out of the land of Egypt!’”
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Question: Are those People Made/create another God or Just making a REPRESENTATION of God(who saved them from Egypt)?

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folks ...... let's give this guy the chair ............. since i'm an atheist and most of the people here are religious but this guy .......... he is of a different kind ....... a person who believes in god, not the christian god nor the islamic god .... but the god that created the universe .....


kindly explain to us to what your god is

OT..
Maybe his belief is CONFUSIANISM, because hes CONFUSE.. joke..

[noy]

OT na kaayu..

Hoi mga Atheist naa namuy Thread na open na. Adtu namu didto Pahungaw joke.


Anyway, para On Topic tah, naa koy Question:

Exodus 32
1And when the people saw that Moses delayed to come down out of the mount, the people gathered themselves together unto Aaron and said unto him, “Arise, make us gods which shall go before us; for as for this Moses, the man who brought us up out of the land of Egypt, we know not what has become of him.”
2 And Aaron said unto them, “Break off the golden earrings which are in the ears of your wives, of your sons and of your daughters, and bring them unto me.”
3 And all the people broke off the golden earrings which were in their ears, and brought them unto Aaron.
4 And he received them from their hand, and fashioned it with an engraving tool after he had made it a molten calf; and they said, “These are thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt!”
5 And when Aaron saw it, he built an altar before it; and Aaron made proclamation and said, “Tomorrow is a feast to the Lord.”
6 And they rose up early on the morrow, and offered burnt offerings, and brought peace offerings; and the people sat down to eat and to drink, and rose up to play.
7 And the Lord said unto Moses, “Go, get thee down; for thy people which thou broughtest out of the land of Egypt have corrupted themselves.
8 They have turned aside quickly out of the way which I commanded them. They have made themselves a molten calf and have worshiped it, and have sacrificed thereunto and said, ‘These are thy gods, O Israel, which have brought thee up out of the land of Egypt!’”
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Question: Are those People Made/create another God or Just making a REPRESENTATION of God(who saved them from Egypt)?
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the people created another god represented by the image of the golden calf and worshiped it..

denying what the God of Israel has done for them by declaring that the gods they have made were the ones that brought them out of Egypt.

in other words, the people lost faith and hope in the God that Moses spoke of..
and diverted their broken faith,hope and worship to an idol they have created
in fear of abandonment, outbursting anxiety and longing for comfort...

in moderns times, people still do this, kung mawad.an na ug paglaom sa Ginoo..we turn to somewhere else..we seek for something that could feed our comfort zones..in a broader sense, whatever we give the highest regard in our lives if not the Father,Son and Spirit would be our idol.

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bai @marius, i think deist na si reggie who loves cakes.. hehehehe

[noy]

next question na siguro ta..

[noy]

boss noy, i'm still waiting for the reply of reggie ....

i need to see how he judges things from a man who believes in the god that created the universe ...

and while he was talking about morality, to what moral code is he following ......

wa pa man mureply bai..hahahahahaha

next question nalang guro ta..
and OT man pud ang Deism..LOL