MERGED: All About Gloria Arroyo - Past, Present, Future

[FK]

@dnhoel:
bai sorry ha pero mura man ni contradict imong gisulti... ingon ka dili i-tolerate, she should be liable... pero ni ingon sab ka nga give her another chance. So what you are trying to say let's just accept what she have done and give her another chance... am I right?

If she will resign bai... tanan mo sunod sa position, tanan gikan sa current administration karon... Noli and Drilon. She can ask both of them to continue what she has started.

Nakasala siya bai... and she might drag along the economy of the country tungod sa iyang sala. This is a legitimate issue... the opposition has a legitimate case against her and they will not stop. So for me... kong labing sayo siya mo resign mas minimal ang effect.

[FK]

@Lunch
1.) That was just my personal opinion... now base on your personal opinion can you say that she did not cheat? base on the conversations that I presented?

Again. . . economic reforms are on track. During Erap's time, these reforms were halted by the same people who were in power. Why? To escape taxes, etc. Again, please research so you will know. If someone takes over, someone from Estrada's camp, do you think these reforms will be on track?

If she resigns it's Noli who will take over. I believe Noli is from the administration if my research was correct

It is very easy to say Gloria should resign just because that is our "feel". But, it is incumbent upon us to examine and seek the truth and decide upon a moral stance which is going to be better for all Filipinos.

using my morals... mas maau makuhaan og badlongon ang atong gobyerno. Para nako ang sayop kay sayop... dili tungod kay nakabuhat ka ug sakto, onya nakasala ka... sige ok na lang. Pareho sa corporate setting bai... naa sila pamalaod, bisan onsa ka pa ka talented, ka bright, bisan taas pa ka og position... kong ikaw nakalapas sa usa sa balaod, papahawaon jud ka. And that how it should works.
Sa karon GMA is part of the problem... siya ra ang gabuhat aning problemaha.

Please don't argue for the sake of arguing. If you are going to show empirically (even if you use history) that we are going to be better off with a new president, then prove it by using valid arguments. . . common sense alone is never good enough.

time sa bai ha... wala baya ko nag ingon nga i used my common sense in telling that we will be better off with a new president... ako ra baya gi ingon nga i used my common sense in telling that she indeed cheated together with Garci.
base on the thread title, I think I am using a valid argument... I am using the GMA-Garci conversations as argument and the thread title implies.

I agree with you that we will take a set back when we have a new president, but kng kani mahitabo og balik tungod ni sa iyang kaboang...

[FK]

@LytSlpr:

1] Okay, let's put it this way. If both of them indeed did it. Erap was caught with his still inside the cookie jar and GMA already got away with the cookie.

nya kong gikuha na nimo ang cookie sa jar... nagpamatuod na nga wala kay sala sa pagkuha sa cookie? If you were caught while you are stealing and you were caught because someone pointed out that you stole an item... pareho gihapon na stealing.

3] With Noli being VP i have no probelm with that but with him being President? I personally believe he doesn't have what it takes.

I think mas baseless ang imohang pag ingon nga dili kaya ni Noli... kontra sa pag ingon nako nga nanikas si GMA.

I cannot comment on the tape because AFAIK and basing on the transcript it is really inconclusive. Meaning we can believe what we want to believe depending on our inclination. There is really no cut throat fact.

Kong mo ingon ka og inconclusive... can you just state kong onsa kaha possibly ilang gihisgotan?
I think inconclusive siya kong wala ka kahibaw sa ilang position, ang events nga ila gihisgotan.
Kong wala ko ka ila ni Garci... maka ingon tingali ko nga basin doctor ni si Garci mao ni ingon siya "yun ang ginawa naming pagpapataas sa iyo"

[marquee]

basing on the tapes, we really don't know. as they said, the conversation of the "undoctored" tapes are inconclusive.

Inconclusive sa ilang mata...pero sa mga tawo klaro kaayo!

Try to secure the so called "Original" and "Spliced" and listen for yourself para ikaw ang mo husga.

ikaw gud, mas maayong laki pa man ka sa mga neutral legal experts and veterans. mao na personal kaayo ni nimo kay nakulban siguro ug kaldero inyong pamilya or naputol inyong racket pag lingkod ni GMA sama sa kadaghanan sa oposisyon. mao nag nag hurimentado na sila ron.

luoya sa inyong pamilya oi! naa pa mo'y gi-kaon bai? basin naputlan na mo ug kuryente ug tubig? ingna lang ko ha kay padad-an tika ug relief goods diha sa inyong dapit.

lami kaayo i-singgit ug bono basta gutom ug uhaw part sa?

Oooops. Thats foul!

OOHHTEEE: kasabot jud diay ni si tempest ug cebuano nya sige lang gihapon tagalog.hehehe ngano sige man ka tagalog pre? hadlok ka ma-ban uli sa istorya? *hhhmmmmm* mas maayo pa si GMA kay ni-admit pero ikaw wa jud.tsk tsk tsk

[riko diko]

apil ko! Let's forgive GMA!!!

Let's forgive her and move on!!!! Here's what's best, we forgive her, no problem with that, then we let her face the consequences of her actions. If proven she cheated, then she has to step down, 'coz she is not the one elected by the Filipinos. I agree with FK.

Our current problems are not reasons why we should let her get away. That's our problem in the first place, we're too kind-hearted that we forget easily... that's why di mahurot ang mga corrupt sa goberno nato.

This is not a destabilization plot of the opposition, this is merely an investigation on our president's credibility. Ifever we get destabilized, don't blame the opposition, blame GMA. simple.

[tempest]

[1] Okay, let's put it this way. If both of them indeed did it. Erap was caught with his still inside the cookie jar and GMA already got away with the cookie.

2] The economic crisis is worldwide due to the oil crisis among others. Our "personal" crisis in our country is caused by Erap on top of the worldwide crisis. During his time kidnapping, drugs, gambling was more lenient, extortion in the BIR, corruption in Customs and various mediocre if not ghost government projects. All of this I know first hand. We had lesser investors during his time and we have a very slow growth rate. This is all supported by facts and numbers.

GMA did not get away with the cookie. She is caught with the cookie still in her mouth.

And please dont connect this global economy problem with Arroyo. Arroyo's problem is not economy but herself. Shes a thief!

Hail to the Thief!

[adminroot]

OT

na man juy parihas ug utok ni amay bisaya diri.....si amay "tagalog"

[tempest]

A lawyer's group, CODAL declared that Arroyo may have committed crimes and offenses in violation of the Revised Penal Code, the Omnibus Election Code, the Anti-Graft and Corrupt Practices Act and the 1987 Constitution for the following acts:

1.Despite knowing that she was the person in the tape, Pres. Arroyo (or at least, allowed) Sec. Bunye to declare that the said ‘tape’ is a concoction of the opposition to destabilize the government—a very serious charge against members of the opposition. The use of one’s public office (the Office of the President and the Press Secretary) for personal ends or interest (in this case to cover up her actions) and spread misinformation, is unlawful.

2.Pres. Arroyo allowed, if not ordered, Sec. Bunye to present the ‘genuine’ CD containing her supposed conversation with Mr. Edgar Ruado in a Malacanang press conference on June 6, despite her knowledge that the said ‘genuine’ CD is completely false. Pres. Arroyo is aware that she had the conversation with a COMELEC official and not with Edgar Ruado. The use of the resources of a government office (such as the Office of the Press Secretary) to disseminate false information for the purpose of defending and covering up her personal (and illegal) acts is a criminal offense. This is violative of Section 1 (f) and (i) of PD 1829 on Obstruction of Apprehension and Prosecution of Criminal Offenders.

3.Her order or ‘request’ for Comm. Garcillano to ‘delay’ the canvassing of Senatorial elections is in violation of various provisions of the Omnibus Election Code prohibiting the delay or disruption of election processes.
Her implied ‘request’ for Comm. Garcillano to deny any petition filed by Sen. Rodolfo Biazon to open the election documents in Tawi-Tawi is an unlawful interference in the quasi-judicial function of a member of an independent constitutional body. Even if Pres. Arroyo will not admit to being privy to Comm. Garcillano’s fraudulent acts, she still violated Art. 208 of the Revised Penal Code, among others, for her failure to file the necessary legal action for the impeachment and prosecution of Comm. Garcillano.

4. Talking with her appointee, Comm. Garcillano, is a betrayal of public trust and violates the the Anti-Graft and Corrupt Practices Act for Undue Influence on a public official. Reappointing Comm. Garcillano to the COMELEC despite her knowledge of said electoral fraud can be used as proof of conspiracy to commit fraud. If Pres. Arroyo intended to officially communicate with the COMELEC, she should have corresponded with Chairman Abalos rather than her appointee. This also puts into question her persistence in appointing Comm. Garcillano to his post despite widespread opposition.

[cerebus]

gma must declare martial law...as soon as possible....para muhilom na tanang mga kontra niya...nice kaayo na ang martial law kay makapamingaw sa atong nasudnong yuta.......

huh?

[limsitek]

ayaw nang suyop bai.. temporary limot rana.. y not go find a stable job.


GMA: I lie, I cheat, I steal.