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[ursoman]

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mismo mga nag paluyo sa komunismo diri sa pilipinas naa man gani korupsyon.. dugang2 man lang nag samot sa problema ng usab2 ug sistema oi

[internasyonalista]

What is left-communism?

Left-communism is the term used by the communists who opposed the degeneration of the Bolshevik Party and the 3rd International. They were leaders and members of the Bolshevik Party and 3rd International who criticized the mistakes of Lenin and waged battle against the rise of Stalinism. Stalinism-Maoism as communism is the GREATEST LIE OF THE 2OTH CENTURY.
The left-communists particularly the German, Dutch and Italian left-communists were arrested, tortured and killed by the henchmen of Stalin because they do not adhere to the ideology of “socialism in one country” and the dictatorship of the party and the state. The left-communists are against “state socialism” because in essence it is state capitalism.
Some of them survived the onslaught of Stalin and Western Democracies. The survivors were the founders of the international left-communist movement that emerged after the world-wide resurgence of workers’ struggles that started in Paris, France in May 1968.
Left-communism ardently defended the two basic principles of Marxism: (1) Internationalism, (2) Independent working class movement. Left-communists denounce the betrayal of Stalinism, Maoism and Trotskyism to these two basic principles. Anyone who said that left-communism is the same as the “communism” of CPP-NPA and Jose Ma. Sison, does not really know the history of the communist movement since 1920s.

What is internationalism? The working class is an international class. The working class of each nation is only a part of the whole international class. The interests and demands of the workers around the world are the same whether you are a Filipino, American, Chinese, etc. There are no national walls that separate the working class. To destroy capitalism, it must be destroyed world-wide not through state socialism as what the CPP and other Leftists propagate but through world proletarian revolution as what happened in the great revolutionary wave of 1917-1923. Nationalism in whatever form is not compatible with and against communism.

What is independent working class movement? It is an international movement of the working class centralized and coordinated internationally. That is why the workers and communist formed the 1st, 2nd and 3rd Internationals. But Stalinism destroyed the 3rd International. And Trotskyism established a fake 4th International. The working class is the only revolutionary class in our epoch. All bourgeois factions – administration and opposition – are mortal enemies of the working class. Any alliance with these factions whether temporary or indirect is a betrayal to the interests of the working class. The other exploited classes and strata will only follow the leadership of the proletarian movement if the latter is independent and has no alliance whatsoever with bourgeois factions.
Independent working class movement does not mean a “communist party” controlling and commanding the working class like robots but the class organizing itself and has self-confidence to defeat capitalism. Most of all, independent working class movement does not mean workers and students going to countryside waging guerilla warfare for national liberation.

Who are afraid of communism?
-- Those who think that communism is the authoritarian, bankrupt and distorted ideology of the CPP-NPA and other leftist organizations. These organizations together with the whole bourgeois class only intensify the sufferings, miseries and poverty of the toiling masses for many decades. They have nothing to do with communist revolution. These organizations are simply radical nationalists and not communists. What they only did and doing is to sacrifice thousands of lives in the altar of inter-imperialist wars in the name of bourgeois nationalism.
-- Those who want to maintain the greed for profit and who want to be rich while millions are poor. People who are capitalists exploiting the working class.

[cebu1029]

^^sakto jud. i mean wa man gihapon point ang communism unya clouded na kaayo ni nga idea. nobody knows how to make it work. it is also hard because people tend to be selfish, self-important and they think according to what's best for them. there is always competition. look at China. it is slowly failing its dreams of becoming a totally communist country. there are still rich people (even billionaires) and even more poor people who live in remote villages. there is no assurance to communism. everybody will end up wanting more for themselves.

anybody read aldous huxley's book 1984? that's basically the plot of communism. everybody are the same! but there were still rebels!

A lof of movies have been done with a communistic bent. logan's run is one on top of my head right now. thx-1138 by george lucas is also communistic society. it didnt last!

[brownprose]

Anyone who said that left-communism is the same as the “communism” of CPP-NPA and Jose Ma. Sison, does not really know the history of the communist movement since 1920s.

The "left communism" you're talking is all but just part in the dustbins of history relived under different euphemisms -- be they from the CPP or from those who advocate its modern versions.

For your information, if you sincerely know your "history of the communist movement" you'd know that the movement predates as far back as 1844 as opposed to your assertion that "it started since 1920s." If I may, the Condition of the Working Class in England in 1844 written by Frederick Engels details the appalling conditions of the working class in Britain and Ireland during Engels' stay in England and the subsequent publication of the Communist Manifesto (184 alongside with Karl Marx and the popularity of Marx's-Hegels Historical Materialism or interchangeably called Dialectical Materialism which eventually caused the increasing doctrinalization of the communist thought around 1870s and the development of varied versions such that of Leninist communism and the birth of Left Communism in 1918 among them.

The Left Communism you mentioned only came in as an afterthought after having been excluded by the Bolsheviks for being puritanical and "sourgrapers" interested only to insert Marxists thoughts unmindful about the mechanisms for its construction. I wish to elaborate more about your brand of communism - which I believe is nearly no less different from its similar varieties.

But be that as it may, Left-Communism, communism in the Philippines or communism in forms you think will change the fate of our nation or the world for that matter, will never find its place in a world driven by individual economic self-interest. And by the way, just who is this working class from the Left Communist to govern or seal the fate FOR the entire working class, let me enumerate them, International Bureau for the Revolutionary Party? International Communist Current? Do I need to say more?

You talk about apples but they are the same bananas. Sorry

[internasyonalista]

when i say history of communist movement since 1920s its about Stalinism vs left-communism... ang apohan ni Joma Sison nga si Staliin vs ang nakigbatok kaniya.

now, maybe next time you will elaborate your comments about left-communism.... i'll be glad to read that...

[herzabarJR]

LOL.....This thread is 20 years too late.....

Communism was doomed from the start! Look at the only remaining communist countries... can you name any country that is still communist? as opposed to socialist ha! More "communist" countries are now going into capitalism. Russia with their Oil, China... Even Cuba.

North Korea... ahhh i dont know about that country!

ehhh... Russia is not communist, it's a representative democracy like the US, dont confuse Russia with the Soviet Union...

[situnsko]

Angan ba kahadlokan ang komunismo?
post ur answer to the question...

[The_Child]

as ive said, there has been no communist states yet. China, DPRK, USSR, etc. are all poseurs.

What is the point of Modern Communism? It serves as a reply to the inherent exploitation and oppression of the current system.
How can it be obsolete? how could it be dead? We are afterall standing in an era of High Capitalism, where everything is being commodified, thus extending the reaches of human exploitation.

In order to shew an optimistic perspective on Modern Communism, to understand it, it is best to approach it in its grassroots, and not in the socio-historical development which has smeared it with matter that woould make it no longer possible to be identified to what it originally was.

[situnsko]

so wast ur answer?? nice post..

[The_Child]

marx-Hegels Historical Materialism or interchangeably called Dialectical Materialism


Hegel was not a dialectical materialist. He was a Dialectical Idealist.

the only way for Modern Communism to die is in the hands of Postmodernism. But even that is unlikely, since French Post-structuralism is afterall a child of the the Left.