The Jaclupan incident: Demonic possession or Mass Hysteria?

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

@ BEARS GRILL ...

As much as your resources points to the correct direction ( procedure ) , should be the MEDIA partly be blame on these? The articles inconsistently delivered 2 different versions.

We have to remember also that POSSESSION is very RARE . OPPRESSION and INFESTATION are more likely to happen everyday without us knowing about it.

I am not inclined to believed on what happened since I was not there but cross examining Msgr. Kriekenbeck , we are inclined to believed that 17 students had emotional disturbance, anger and hatred on the part of the students in the same place on the same time? That is what commonsense tells us.

Why am I saying this ?

That is because with or without the NEWS about the 17 , POSSESSIONS indeed occured in CEBU CITY before. Uns ana lang kaha ang OPPRESSION and INFESTATION ?

[Breakeven]

yes bro they are real, they only problem most people don't know is unsa iyang sakto nga image ug characteristics to determine and to confirm nga demon na siya.

remember the verse bro:
Matthew 17:20
And He said to them, "Because of the littleness of your faith; for truly I say to you, if you have faith the size of a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you.

unya kana literal na atong interpretation to move mountains? kinsa man sukad imong nailhan nga buddhist nakabuhat ana?

depende sa faith nimo sa power sa imong mind, nothing is impossible. same ra sa walking on water and everything else basta naa kay faith of a mustard seed, nothing will be impossible, everything is possible. i don't know if i remember this right, si Peter ba to, gi pa walk pud sa dagat with Jesus, naa man siya doubt sa iyang power sa iyang mind, naunlod siya. And no need for demons or whatsoever in order to have the power of the mind, ang kadak-on lng sa imong faith. mao ni ang mind over matter.

TInuod mana sya bro pero naa nay limitations. Careful lang unsa na ang klase sa power imong gi possess! Usahay gud, motaas atong ego kung duna ta aning mga butanga.

tagaan ta ka ug example nga grabe ug faith sa power sa ilang mind: Bill Gates, Lucio Tan, Henry Sy, Henry Ford, Ferdinand Marcos, Walt Disney, Fidel Castro, ug daghan pa.

I agree, even sa atong level lang kitang tanan naa ana! but sa case supernatural, lahi nana nga power

[jovipeorliohacokijo]

@SPRINGFIELD_XD_40
Mao gani far fetch ang idea nimo na ipa DRUG TEST ang 17 kabuok. Kunglahi lahi ang eefects why man pareho man ug TAMA ug TRIPPING ang 17 kabuok ? They must have used the same controlled substance then .
>> possible baya mga magsabot lng sila tanan. again para mahuman hehehe mas maayo ipa drug test, nya naay psychiatrist ug psychologist, and also katong excorcist nga imong giingon.


Hehehehehe asa man intawn ka ana na doktrina oi na there is a little bit of god in us human creatures ? Mo agree na unta ko sa take niom about EXCORICSM out of respecting your opinion kaso niliko man ka di pa gani iskina.
>> nibasa ko sa definition sa wikipedia:


>> Exorcism (from Greek ἐξορκισμός, exorkismos - binding by oath) is the religious practice of evicting demons or other spiritual entities from a person or an area which they are believed to have possessed.[1] Depending on the spiritual beliefs of the exorcist, this may be done by causing the entity to swear an oath, performing an elaborate ritual, or simply by commanding it to depart in the name of a higher power. The practice is ancient and part of the belief system of many cultures and religions.


>> "evicting demons or other spiritual entities from a person or an area", so counter this, ni explain ko nimo nga ang bond sa soul ug body sa tao strong kaayo, ky ang maka separate nilang duha ky by death lng of the body. with that statement of mine, never a demon or another spirit can possess a body of a person. plus explain ko nimo about relationship between God and our soul, to explain nga never maka dool ang demon sa soul sa tao, ang pulihan pa kaha siya sa body, ky ma possess man kaha. now, if ever a person is thinking nga ma possess iyang body sa demon or spirit, ni surrender na siya ana sa demon, as if wala gyud power iyang soul. maduulan ra ug demon.


Unsay reference nimo aning imohang gipang sulti ?
>> analyze lng na nako, trying to demonstrate unsa origin nganong naay superstitioun ang mga pinoy, kung unsa gyud ang dapat dagway ni satan ug demons, laksot ba or gwapo ba


Again , where did you based this statement ?
>> Mostly baya, ang image ni satan ky naay sungay, ikog, puwa ug mata, with fangs. but naa sa bible, gi state nga fallen angel. so ni explain ra pud ko nga unsa image dapat ni satan as a deceiver, bisan ug fallen siya pero angel gihapon ug image.


Literally YES ba lage gyud ? Dont take the words into literal actions kay PHYSICALLY dili .


Funny thing is , you believed in LEVITATION yet ang EXCORCISM kay DRAMA lang hehehehe . Imo na ga gi research ang mga KEYWORDS na akong gi hatag ?


It would be UNFAIR man gud for you to say right away na EXCORCISM is FAKE when in fact wala pa gani ka nag research . Heck even SCIENCE never dared to say that it is FAKE and DRAMA lang, ikaw pa kaha ?
>> kabalo ka, kita mga pinoy hilig ug tsismism, na tsismis na nako, naa ni try to use maximum power of the mind, and literally can move mountains. but sa akoa nga part is wa ko nag desire ug power nga ingon ana. kung dili literal, ang pasabot nothing is impossible kung you a big faith on the power of your mind
>> levitation is with the power of the mind, it is mind over matter. like using the mind only to bend a spoon. while exorcism involves possession of demons or another spirit of a body of a person, which i don't believe as i explained above.
>> i don't think science has an extensive study about the soul of man, only then motoo ko nga moingon sila nga exorcism is not fake

[jovipeorliohacokijo]

We have two different accounts: one from a Catholic priest, Msgr. Kriekenbeck, who said "What took place was a result of emotional disturbance, anger and hatred on the part of the students" and the other from the nun who made the wild allegation of levitation and what-nots. A lot of people here who buy this story are clearly just believing what they want to believe. They ignore one account and quickly latch on to the other.

One guy (someone who keeps posting conspiracy theories and antichrist/end-of-the world videos) here is saying "Oh, Msgr. Kriekenbeck was bribed into saying those things." Seriously?

Here's how the Catholic Church go about these things before they jump to conclusions:



In this particular case, was a psychiatrist consulted? No. All you have are two contradicting testimonies. You have to do better than that.

If you have a psychiatrist (those with a sceptical bent) look at a video of a typical "possessed" individual, he or she will show you a textbook example of a psychogenic seizure (or pseudo-seizure). When you compare the two, they both share the same symptoms. Individuals who have these usually have some underlying stress problem or emotional difficulties. One might view it psychologically as an escape or avoidance type of behavior. Meaning to say, the real world is too stressful and the patient withdraws and pulls himself into a separate world.

Why do we buy the supernatural account rather than the scientific one? Tsk, tsk, tsk....Filipino propensity towards superstition and supernaturalism is indeed legendary. A very sad state of affairs we have here.

nice and sakto kaayo imo explanation bro

for me, i was taught that when the soul enters a newly born baby, the bond between the soul and the body which is still a baby is very strong, it will be broken only at the moment of death when the soul leaves the body. so in that statement lng daan, no possession can ever take place, no demon can take over the body. and i am also a soul and not this body of mine.

[Breakeven]

nice and sakto kaayo imo explanation bro

for me, i was taught that when the soul enters a newly born baby, the bond between the soul and the body which is still a baby is very strong, it will be broken only at the moment of death when the soul leaves the body. so in that statement lng daan, no possession can ever take place, no demon can take over the body. and i am also a soul and not this body of mine.

Lahi sa Christianity bro, we are composed of body, soul and spirit. In my opinion, our soul and spirit is undestructible, the spirit is what keeps the soul its being just as the blood to the body. Once the Holy Spirit dwells in us, there is no way youll be possessed! Walay mopuli sa HS within if he lives. That's why demons have no power over a child of God. In the case of the unbelievers, since wala ang HS nag dwell sa ilaha, it is very possible for a demon-possession, ilang soul/spirit ma-suppressed in effect they don't have a control of themselves, that's why malahi ilang voice and their strength.

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[jovipeorliohacokijo]

unya kana literal na atong interpretation to move mountains? kinsa man sukad imong nailhan nga buddhist nakabuhat ana?



TInuod mana sya bro pero naa nay limitations. Careful lang unsa na ang klase sa power imong gi possess! Usahay gud, motaas atong ego kung duna ta aning mga butanga.



I agree, even sa atong level lang kitang tanan naa ana! but sa case supernatural, lahi nana nga power

yes, naay tsismis nga literally moving mountain. hehehe, but of course that statement should not be taken literally.

mao gani ang tao dapat wala ego ug desires, so that when has powers, he will not be deceived by satan to use such powers against humanity and in evil ways. he will not even use it at all. God na lng tanan para niya ug wala na lain.

[Eden Arnoco]

could be that those 17 student basin weak lang sila ug 'minds' during those moments which resulted to invite other entities, dinhi na mugawas ang ginaterm na "possession/whatever" IMO

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

possible baya mga magsabot lng sila tanan. again para mahuman hehehe mas maayo ipa drug test, nya naay psychiatrist ug psychologist, and also katong excorcist nga imong giingon.

Wala lage excorcism nahitabo kay its either infestation ro oppression ra to. In the case sa news , the ignorantthey are gi level ang EXCORSISM with DELIVERANCE which are two different entities. Karon mangutana ko nimo , sa kadtong panahon adis adis ka as what you claimed , unsay motibo nimo para mag tripping tripping ka ? If naakay motibo mahatag , I can safely say pareho mo ug motibo sa 17 kabuok regardless of the controlled substance you used.

nibasa ko sa definition sa wikipedia:

Exorcism (from Greek ἐξορκισμός, exorkismos - binding by oath) is the religious practice of evicting demons or other spiritual entities from a person or an area which they are believed to have possessed.[1] Depending on the spiritual beliefs of the exorcist, this may be done by causing the entity to swear an oath, performing an elaborate ritual, or simply by commanding it to depart in the name of a higher power. The practice is ancient and part of the belief system of many cultures and religions.

Mao lage , lagpas man na sa gipang sulti niom pag una about THERE IS A SMALL GOD IN US.

"evicting demons or other spiritual entities from a person or an area", so counter this, ni explain ko nimo nga ang bond sa soul ug body sa tao strong kaayo, ky ang maka separate nilang duha ky by death lng of the body. with that statement of mine, never a demon or another spirit can possess a body of a person. plus explain ko nimo about relationship between God and our soul, to explain nga never maka dool ang demon sa soul sa tao, ang pulihan pa kaha siya sa body, ky ma possess man kaha. now, if ever a person is thinking nga ma possess iyang body sa demon or spirit, ni surrender na siya ana sa demon, as if wala gyud power iyang soul. maduulan ra ug demon.

Do you know who are the people vulnerable of OPPRESSIONS , INFESTATIONS and POSSESSIONS ? I research na siya bai before I will counter your statement . That way, it would be fair that nag basa jud ka prior to making statements lang na under sa imohang personal na convictions lang.

Mostly baya, ang image ni satan ky naay sungay, ikog, puwa ug mata, with fangs. but naa sa bible, gi state nga fallen angel. so ni explain ra pud ko nga unsa image dapat ni satan as a deceiver, bisan ug fallen siya pero angel gihapon ug image.

Considerng lang na hilig man ka ug literal understanding . Would it follow since FALLEN ANGEL tawag ani nila, BALI pod mga PAKO nila?

kabalo ka, kita mga pinoy hilig ug tsismism, na tsismis na nako, naa ni try to use maximum power of the mind, and literally can move mountains. but sa akoa nga part is wa ko nag desire ug power nga ingon ana. kung dili literal, ang pasabot nothing is impossible kung you a big faith on the power of your mind

Duka ra na brad. Lantugi ta tiwas ugma o unya hehehehe .

levitation is with the power of the mind, it is mind over matter. like using the mind only to bend a spoon. while exorcism involves possession of demons or another spirit of a body of a person, which i don't believe as i explained above.

You are basically saying that a human creature can actually LEVITATE ? Guideme sa saktong lugar where you sourced out this CHISMISM.

i don't think science has an extensive study about the soul of man, only then motoo ko nga moingon sila nga exorcism is not fake

SOUL has nothing to do with EXCORCISM . POSSESSION does but di ni mao ang mga pang hitabo nama witnessed nimo. In demonology under theology....... huwaton sa nako reply nimo about atong gipa research nako who are the vulnerable ones. It shares the same context man ani ako unta i reply nimo.

[necrotic freak]

^^thanks boss Spring for sharing your knowledge about these things..

nag research naba kaha si jovs karon.

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