Should Abortion Be Allowed to Rape And Incest Victims?

[Elyu]

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no to abortion. keep the baby God is love. connect ba? hehe

Careful diday, don't involve god here now...maybe you haven't read what is stated on rape victims in the Bible?

[Elyu]

Pardon me if it sounds a HYPOTHETICAL QUESTON . I am just being realistic because these are sensitive matters and issues and not just about something to talk about for the reason of being discussed in istorya.net . So basically it is a realistic scenario that deserves a realistic answer wether it is opinion based or straightforward .

I appreciate your opinions and I am being realistic here, Springfield. That's why I listed the real-life challenges a pregnant woman will face.

That is beside the point for a well done job , she did the right thing for keeping you wether she is capable of raising you or not

If she was incapable of raising a child, she would have done an awful job!
An example of physical incapability: she was seriously injured from the assault and could not hold a job or take care of herself and her child. Mental incapability: she heard voices in her head telling her to kill her child as an offering to the gods. Alcohol/drug abuse, etc all would warrant incapability.
Are you saying it is right to put an incapable mother to raise a child?
Because that's what I'm understanding from your statement here, I find it disturbing.

A lot of help are out there , its just that IGNORANCE is their main reason why they resort to ABORTION or INTENTIONAL MISCARRIAGE ( if there is such a thing ) . Though here sa Pilipinas murag lisod jud kay ang DSWD wala kaayo maximum backing sa government but we are talking about it general where the LAW of the LAND is in effect maski di na lang apilon ang LAW of GOD aron applicable sa both atheist and theist and walay ikyas jud . Still it is MURDER .

What are these help out there?
Like if a victim wants to put her baby for adoption, What are her options?

What do you think about this?
In the United Kingdom, the Abortion Act 1967 legalized abortion. In Great Britain, the law states that pregnancy may be terminated up to 24 weeks[7] if it:

1. puts the life of the pregnant woman at risk
2. poses a risk to the mental and physical health of the pregnant woman
3. poses a risk to the mental and physical health of the fetus
4. shows there is evidence of extreme fetal abnormality i.e. the child would be seriously physically or mentally handicapped after birth and during life.

^^ Would you reject or allow abortion if the rape/incest victim is in one of these situations? Why or Why not?

These questions are not solely directed to you, Springfield. Anyone here can answer and put in their suggestions and opinions.. til then guys, nyt nyt.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

If she was incapable of raising a child, she would have done an awful job!

How did you know that ? You should know her resources since she is your mother . Mind you , generally speaking , we cant stand on our own without the others maski kinsa pa ka maayong laki .

An example of physical incapability: she was seriously injured from the assault and could not hold a job or take care of herself and her child. Mental incapability: she heard voices in her head telling her to kill her child as an offering to the gods. Alcohol/drug abuse, etc all would warrant incapability.
Are you saying it is right to put an incapable mother to raise a child?
Because that's what I'm understanding from your statement here, I find it disturbing.

No its not ... you are already talking about raising and transforming the child into what we all wish for just like our own kids , to be successful and good citizens . We are here discussing about the life of a fetus wether i-anak ba na or dili .

What are these help out there?
Like if a victim wants to put her baby for adoption, What are her options?

It depends sa arrangement sa mo adopt and the biological mother .

What do you think about this?
In the United Kingdom, the Abortion Act 1967 legalized abortion. In Great Britain, the law states that pregnancy may be terminated up to 24 weeks[7] if it:

1. puts the life of the pregnant woman at risk
2. poses a risk to the mental and physical health of the pregnant woman
3. poses a risk to the mental and physical health of the fetus
4. shows there is evidence of extreme fetal abnormality i.e. the child would be seriously physically or mentally handicapped after birth and during life.

^^ Would you reject or allow abortion if the rape/incest victim is in one of these situations? Why or Why not?

These questions are not solely directed to you, Springfield. Anyone here can answer and put in their suggestions and opinions.. til then guys, nyt nyt.

Like I said lisod jud ang decisions but you dont have to compare RAPE from INCEST . The latter , pwerting lisora jud , sa RAPE ... there is no reason why there is an ABORTION . Just because the UK legalized it doesnt mean it is the right thing to do morally .

In some cases specially sa pag focus sa questions nimo , sometimes we have to disregard life to save a life . In the case pod like ikaw ang RAPE VICTIM ( simbako ) , considering you are financially stable and very healthy , would you abort the child ? YES because you chose to but it is not right and NO you will keep the baby because it is the right thing to do .

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

why is it irrelevant? when it comes down to it, it's killing.
so you're willing to kill a person by owning a gun. isn't that hypocritical?
owns guns willing to kill... against abortion of fetus... oxy***** if i've ever seen one.

Lol ... pag clear diha dong . WHy do you own knives , hammer , etc that can be also used to take a life ? Dont show your ignorance here about gun ownership and responsibilities .

yeah i have, spare me with ur condescending remarks... social responsibility crap..

it is not crap ... its how we can gage who is the real HYPOCRITE .

the problem is the catholic church, tell them to stop meddling with family planning

FAMILY PLANNING is not the issue , IRRESPONSIBLE PARENTS are . WHy is it so hard for you to comprehend that ? Ug di simbahan ang basulon , ang presidente sa Pilpinas .

yeah? parents doing nothing? irresponsible? then it's time for you to tell the church to distribute contraceptions, birth control pills, have tubal ligations and vasectomy for these people. they maybe nobody has to have any abortions and unwanted babies, street kids.

Lol ... why dont your government and community do it ? You are barking at the wrong tree mija .

yeah yeah nobody is right or wrong that's your story... yet you shoot down people who disagree with you...
calling people names is not cool... tsk tsk...

In what way did I call you names ? Indeed it is not cool when you say HYPORCITE ... where is the coolness in that dong ?

oh yeah.. another hypocrisy.. these pedophile priests preaching about anti-abortion... disgusting.

Lol ... indirect ad hominems na man ka dong intawn .

yeah i've labeled people hypocrites... so? and you haven't?

To be honest with you ? NOPE I have never labeled people as HYOCRITES directly unless I really know who are hypocrites . Do you even know the very people you call HYPOCRITES here in the forums ??

ohh yeah... i named myself coolnezz... i ain't cool... noo sirreee...
i'm in dreamland.... like i care what you think....

Na unsa na man intawn ka oi gapataka ra man ka yawit dong .

and like i've stated in my first post... the victim should have a choice...
just like you have a choice to shoot a person and killing them...
no double standards...

That is your opinion and just because I and some said that ABORTION is a CRIME , NOT JUST andPLAINLY WRONG doesnt mean you can call those mindsets HYPOCRITES .

Shoot a person ? Why not !! if it takes for me to save the common good , I will pump all 16 leads to the body . Now where is the double standard in there ?

[reginakrys]

hmmm.. kalisod ani oi.. ma-torn man jud ta between sympathy for the unborn fetus and sympathy for the unwilling mother.. but i would choose the lesser evil, which is to keep the fetus.. yes mag-suffer more ang mother kay in addition to the trauma sa iyang na-experience, she has to nurture the fetus inside her for 9months.. but with proper support from family, friends, govt agencies, and everyone else involved, i think the mother would have a decent chance of recovering from her ordeal.. plus she has the choice to give up her baby if she feels that she's not well-equipped to raise him.. whereas kung i-terminate sa mother ang pregnancy, the baby has no chance or choice at all..

[Klave]

Anyways guys...

Para sa mga nagingnanay nga kinsay hipocrito og dili

Let us research what is hypocrisy.

• an expression of agreement that is not supported by real conviction
• insincerity by virtue of pretending to have qualities or beliefs that you do not really have
  wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
• Hypocrisy is the act of persistently pretending to hold beliefs, opinions, virtues, feelings, qualities, or standards that one does not actually hold. Hypocrisy is thus a kind of lie.
  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy
• Hypocrisy is a death metal band from Sweden. It was formed in 1990 in Ludvika, Sweden by Peter Tägtgren.
  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy_(band)
• Hypocrisy is the sixth studio album released in 1999 by Hypocrisy. The digipak version of the album includes the bonus track, "Self Inflicted Overload". ...
  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy_(album)
• Wherever there are moral norms in a society, there will be hypocrisy: Many of the supposed adherents of a moral code, which they defend by word of mouth and occasional public action when this is neither dangerous nor onpopular, do not in fact adhere at all or for the most part to the codes they ...
  www.xs4all.nl/~maartens/philosophy/Dictionary/M/Moral%20norms%20-%20features%20of.htm
• of the demagogue criticalness trustfulness fakery
  www.cedu.niu.edu/~rubin/vocab7.doc

So since naa pa ta sa forums...puro ra opinion...we cannot see the actions of the owners of the opinions.

So they cannot show that have fully committed on what they believe in.

So they shouldn't be called Hypocrites unless they tend to contradict themselves.

If they do not contradict themselves through their words...they can only be qualified as "Idealists" or "Realists" depende asa nga side

[littlelad]

depende mana sa victim,...ma2d pa nla,..its up to them...

[Mr_NicePrice]

we should go for the lesser evil solution!

[bigs]

it's up to the victim what she wants to do... freedom of choice... she's not a dog or any animal...
she's the one who has to live with the consequences...

sakto! looy sd bya ang gi.rape if himo huna2on. Catholic ko pero I'm open to this idea, sauna pa!

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

If you kill an INNOCENT CHILD , dont you guys think walay CONSEQUENCE pod as long as you live ?