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    Quote Originally Posted by munzter666 View Post
    errr, what dogma are you referring about james?
    atheists dont have hive minds unlike its counterpart james...if you observe clearly, atheists themselves disagree on lot of things...the only common thing about atheists is the absence of belief towards any GOD/s(including their respective anti-heroes).

    safe to say, atheists disbelieve GOD/s in a variety of levels, varies per person.

    there are no dogmas.
    the only common thing about atheists is the absence of belief towards any GOD/s(including their respective anti-heroes)
    --- lols, that is why satanist stands the same stairs as the athiest. They are just standing in a different step(s). Higher or lower its a preference. Another guy wanted to label satanism as THIESTIC IN NATURE. Similar qualities here:

    1. Humanism is a perspective common to a wide range of ethical stances that attaches importance to human dignity, concerns, and capabilities, particularly rationality. Although the word has many senses, its meaning comes into focus when contrasted to the supernatural or to appeals to authority

    2. Fascism According to Payne, such "would be" religious fascists only gain hold where traditional belief is weakened or absent, as fascism seeks to create new non-rationalist myth structures for those who no longer hold a traditional view.

    3. Communism to dispel the societal false consciousness of religion and nationalism that are culturally instilled by the bourgeoisie in facilitating exploitation.

    4. LaVeyan Satanism is a religion founded in 1966 by Anton Szandor LaVey. Its teachings are based on individualism, self-indulgence, and "eye for an eye" morality. Unlike Theistic Satanists, LaVeyan Satanists are atheists, agnostics, and Deists who regard Satan as a symbol of man's inherent nature.

    So what now? U guys may not realize it... but you are on the same boat with the dictators... accomodation varies...destination the same... lols!

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    Quote Originally Posted by munzter666 View Post
    atheism for me was a personal choice. nobody came knocking to my door yapping about have you heard the bad news or other sales talk religionists do? to be brief, it's a personal journey. that said, i believe this world wasnt meant for atheist nor bible huggers alone.<---fundamentalist cant seem to grasp that idea, their way is the ONLY way, absolutism.
    Hello bro.

    If I may ask, did you believe in God before you became an atheist? If so, what made you decide to become one?

  3. #73

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    the concept of atheism made me realize that in this dance of forms, it really is, to each her own and that it is ok

  4. #74

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    Quote Originally Posted by munzter666 View Post
    errr, what dogma are you referring about james?
    atheists dont have hive minds unlike its counterpart james...if you observe clearly, atheists themselves disagree on lot of things...the only common thing about atheists is the absence of belief towards any GOD/s(including their respective anti-heroes).

    safe to say, atheists disbelieve GOD/s in a variety of levels, varies per person.

    there are no dogmas.
    Dogma: a fixed, especially religious, belief or set of beliefs that people are expected to accept without any doubts. a settled or established opinion, belief, or principle. (Cambridge Online Dictionary)
    The term "dogmatic" is often used disparagingly to refer to any belief that is held stubbornly. A principle or belief or a group of them. It is sometimes applied to political beliefs or even anti-religious beliefs. Dogmatic Atheism and Scientific Ignorance

    How can I put fundamental, dogma and atheism in the same sentence? Put simply, because atheists hold to their beliefs just as firmly as religious people do; after all, both camps are zealots that have made conclusions about the same subject. The truth is anyonecan believe in a dogma; you can be a religious nut, an atheist, an agnostic, or a politician. You can even be a normal, rational person and believe in a dogma. Just because it is a dogma doesn’t make it wrong—that would depend on what the dogma says. So the question isn’tIs adhering to a dogma bad? Instead, we should ask, Is the dogma in question reasonable or valid?’

    Please before anyone gets too smug and scoffs, remember that it is equally intellectually lazy to scoff at a belief without checking the facts, as it is to believe anything you hear without checking the facts. Either way, you are making a decision based solely on emotion.

    Every atheist or agnostic I have ever encountered believes when it comes to religion and Biblical text the burden of proof lies with the claimant. It is not up to the atheist/agnostic to disprove the claims of the believer; instead it is the responsibility of the believer to back up his or her claims. Also there are defined beliefs not to be questioned or challanged as follows:

    a. The universe is self-existing and self created.
    b. The Earth is approximately 4.5 billion years old.
    c. Life began as a result of spontaneous generation.
    d. Mankind is a result of organic evolution.
    e. Morality is an artificial construct of humans-there is no transcendent moral standard.
    f. Religion and religious belief/dogma is harmful to human development.
    g. Religion is antithetical to reason.
    h. Science is an authority.
    i. You can only rationally believe in that which can be scientifically proven.

    This where I get the term Atheist Dogma. by definition of English Dictionaries it is a proper term.

    "The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present" (Abraham Lincoln).
    Last edited by jamesmusslewhite; 12-23-2009 at 12:18 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kebotDiNaMute View Post
    the only common thing about atheists is the absence of belief towards any GOD/s(including their respective anti-heroes)
    --- lols, that is why satanist stands the same stairs as the athiest. They are just standing in a different step(s). Higher or lower its a preference. Another guy wanted to label satanism as THIESTIC IN NATURE. Similar qualities here:

    1. Humanism is a perspective common to a wide range of ethical stances that attaches importance to human dignity, concerns, and capabilities, particularly rationality. Although the word has many senses, its meaning comes into focus when contrasted to the supernatural or to appeals to authority

    2. Fascism According to Payne, such "would be" religious fascists only gain hold where traditional belief is weakened or absent, as fascism seeks to create new non-rationalist myth structures for those who no longer hold a traditional view.

    3. Communism to dispel the societal false consciousness of religion and nationalism that are culturally instilled by the bourgeoisie in facilitating exploitation.

    4. LaVeyan Satanism is a religion founded in 1966 by Anton Szandor LaVey. Its teachings are based on individualism, self-indulgence, and "eye for an eye" morality. Unlike Theistic Satanists, LaVeyan Satanists are atheists, agnostics, and Deists who regard Satan as a symbol of man's inherent nature.

    So what now? U guys may not realize it... but you are on the same boat with the dictators... accomodation varies...destination the same... lols!
    listen to my version.

    Christianity and satanism stands on the same stairs. Both believes in Satan.

    Christianity and humanism stands on the same stairs. Both believes in human justice

    Christianity and fascism stands on the same stairs. Both seeks to solve existing economic, political, and social problems by achieving a national rebirth, exalting the race above all else, and promoting cults of unity, strength and purity.

    Christianity and communism stands on the same stairs. Both believes in commonality

    tsk tsk pretending to be wise ni si kebot but in reality your logic fails you. feeling bright pero dagahng sayop basta maka solti lang bahalag nagkalisod ,mao na si kebot bow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kebotDiNaMute View Post
    so you're a satanist pud because you believe that Satan exists man dba? mao man ni imong logic..
    --- blue pa check up na blue... ni grabe na jud.
    --- bantug mo 2o ka og something that makes u one?
    --- cge, try this. Dba hilig man ka og science testing... hala unsaman sayantes ka dili? amf! blue intawn... ayaw palabi...

    A scientist, in the broadest sense, is any person who engages in a systematic activity to acquire knowledge or an individual that engages in such practices and traditions that are linked to schools of thought or philosophy

    Saman sayantes ka dili? I will name you if you want... or its just too much to bear and becomes a mockery... pili lang blue... that is why there is a flaw in your LOGIC. Tsk Tsk tsk.
    gi-lecture-an ko nimo ug being a scientist? kahibalo diay ka unsay scientist.. diba religionist man ka? akoang logic naman nuon sayop.. intawn pud nimo oi..

    Quote Originally Posted by kebotDiNaMute View Post
    @balik ta blue
    if you truly don't believe in supernatural, ngano buhat2x pa man ug religion mga LaVeyan satanists are fake satanists.. not the other way around..
    -- whether u like it or not...they are still SATANIST... ask him NOT ME. Reklamo lang sa ba-ba sa Bu-aya blue. Check out thier belief... very similar to your belief...

    General Concept.
    if you study the same descipline you belong to the same group right?
    lage kebz.. bisag unsa-on na nimo ug bale2x imong logic, murag naa jud problema imong reading comprehension..

    Quote Originally Posted by kebotDiNaMute View Post
    Have you heard of this:
    1. Thiestic Satanism
    2. Athiestic Satanism

    Theistic Satanists venerate Satan as a supernatural deity. In contrast, Atheistic Satanists[1] consider themselves atheists and regard Satan as merely symbolic of certain human traits.
    Satanism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia <---- your source, you just failed to READ!
    huh? atheistic satanists? that's an oxy*****.. asa gud tawn na sa source.. imong source gigamit is Laveyan satanism, which isn't based on religion anymore.. taka lng jud ka kebz oi.. satanists come from the root word satan.. because they believe in satan in the bible.. if they change the meaning of satanists, then that's not anymore believing in satan in the bible, and that's not the true satanism but fake satanism.. sus, trying hard man kaau ka kebz..

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    Quote Originally Posted by josephdc View Post
    Hello sir.

    I'm interested in what you just said. It seems you're saying that you are an atheist in that you do not believe that there is such a being as a supernatural god. Yet you also said that you are a theist, that you subscribe to the view of monotheism, in that you have an idea of a kind of god. Is that what you mean?

    I wonder how you would reconcile your atheism and your theism?
    there's nothing to reconcile.. there's no conflict.. theism here is belief in "God".. not any supernatural divine entity.. but just simply belief in "God".. the word "God" itself.. the problem is, I cannot define "God" for you.. I have my own definition, which is really undefined, but I still believe it.. yet I maintain my rationalist/naturalist/realist mindset.. there is nothing supernatural except "God", which is undefined..

    if a close analogy would suffice, its like pan-theism of buddhist, but not really pantheism because its still being defined.. in pantheism, the universe is God, but for me, yes, its partly true, but God exists even if there was no universe.. its like God is the creator without having to create..

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesmusslewhite View Post
    Dogma: a fixed, especially religious, belief or set of beliefs that people are expected to accept without any doubts. a settled or established opinion, belief, or principle. (Cambridge Online Dictionary)
    The term "dogmatic" is often used disparagingly to refer to any belief that is held stubbornly. A principle or belief or a group of them. It is sometimes applied to political beliefs or even anti-religious beliefs. Dogmatic Atheism and Scientific Ignorance

    How can I put fundamental, dogma and atheism in the same sentence? Put simply, because atheists hold to their beliefs just as firmly as religious people do; after all, both camps are zealots that have made conclusions about the same subject. The truth is anyonecan believe in a dogma; you can be a religious nut, an atheist, an agnostic, or a politician. You can even be a normal, rational person and believe in a dogma. Just because it is a dogma doesn’t make it wrong—that would depend on what the dogma says. So the question isn’tIs adhering to a dogma bad? Instead, we should ask, Is the dogma in question reasonable or valid?’

    Please before anyone gets too smug and scoffs, remember that it is equally intellectually lazy to scoff at a belief without checking the facts, as it is to believe anything you hear without checking the facts. Either way, you are making a decision based solely on emotion.

    Every atheist or agnostic I have ever encountered believes when it comes to religion and Biblical text the burden of proof lies with the claimant. It is not up to the atheist/agnostic to disprove the claims of the believer; instead it is the responsibility of the believer to back up his or her claims. Also there are defined beliefs not to be questioned or challanged as follows:

    a. The universe is self-existing and self created.
    b. The Earth is approximately 4.5 billion years old.
    c. Life began as a result of spontaneous generation.
    d. Mankind is a result of organic evolution.
    e. Morality is an artificial construct of humans-there is no transcendent moral standard.
    f. Religion and religious belief/dogma is harmful to human development.
    g. Religion is antithetical to reason.
    h. Science is an authority.
    i. You can only rationally believe in that which can be scientifically proven.

    This where I get the term Atheist Dogma. by definition of English Dictionaries it is a proper term.

    "The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present" (Abraham Lincoln).
    is this your version of using "fair" and "balanced" sources james. trying to drag deists in the mix, ey?
    [SIZE=2][COLOR=Black]a fixed, especially religious, belief[B] or set of beliefs that people are expected to accept without any doubts.
    that alone refutes the whole package you just posted, james.
    atheism is not a religion. it would be like calling theism a religion.
    set of beliefs EXPECTED to accept without ANY doubts??<----errr, thats what separates atheists with them faithfuls in the first place. the only thing you expect from an atheist is the absence of belief in god/s.
    Dogma: a belief held without evidence.
    see, people lambaste atheism with being too "materialistic", evidence based or bust, etc...then now, you want to tag dogmas in that mix.
    the bible huggers systematically believes, without question(points to the fellow who just said DOUBT is sin), what their particular religion tells them to believe. Atheist will believe what ever can be proven with demonstrable evidence.

    this is what happens when you pull something from a biased source.
    Every atheist or agnostic I have ever encountered believes when it comes to religion and Biblical text the burden of proof lies with the claimant. It is not up to the atheist/agnostic to disprove the claims of the believer; instead it is the responsibility of the believer to back up his or her claims. Also there are defined beliefs not to be questioned or challanged as follows:

    a. The universe is self-existing and self created.
    b. The Earth is approximately 4.5 billion years old.
    c. Life began as a result of spontaneous generation.
    d. Mankind is a result of organic evolution.
    e. Morality is an artificial construct of humans-there is no transcendent moral standard.
    f. Religion and religious belief/dogma is harmful to human development.
    g. Religion is antithetical to reason.
    h. Science is an authority.
    i. You can only rationally believe in that which can be scientifically proven.
    the first of the statements above are merely scientific INQUIRIES. attaching dogma to those violates the whole scientific process. besides, the beauty of scientific method is that it requires no belief. and hey, those things get challenged on a day to day basis within the scientific field themselves. after all, science does not offer ABSOLUTE truths but rather provisional ones. they dont just sit around and ponder "god did it" end of story, believe or else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by josephdc View Post
    Hello. Do you consider atheism as a sort of religion?
    i think of it as a belief.. it cant be a religion coz theres no organized system in it..an organized system would contradict the concept of athiesm where each person is intitled to his/her own understanding and iterpretation of the universe without bias from any religion or teachings..

    nobody teaches you to become an athiest, and you dont need to be baptized as an athiest to be one, its your decision to be an athiest..

    in essence athiesm is another form of faith like christianity and islam but in form it lacks certain requirement, like a centralized belief system and it has no scriptures (except there is no "god" part but even such statement has many forms)..

    athiesm should be honored as a faith.. athiests should not be prosecuted.. the word here is respect for each others interpretation of life and existance..

    my bad, xenxa sa ako pag compose sa ako post hehehe.. basta mao ni ako idea bout that..
    Last edited by AmorsoloX; 12-23-2009 at 07:49 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gotterdammerung.2 View Post
    listen to my version.

    Christianity and satanism stands on the same stairs. Both believes in Satan.

    Christianity and humanism stands on the same stairs. Both believes in human justice

    Christianity and fascism stands on the same stairs. Both seeks to solve existing economic, political, and social problems by achieving a national rebirth, exalting the race above all else, and promoting cults of unity, strength and purity.

    Christianity and communism stands on the same stairs. Both believes in commonality

    tsk tsk pretending to be wise ni si kebot but in reality your logic fails you. feeling bright pero dagahng sayop basta maka solti lang bahalag nagkalisod ,mao na si kebot bow.
    Wrong tanan... hagbong... buyong... lols...

    theistic satanism oppose christianism. <- tungaw ngwa ngaw

    Christianity and humanism stands on the same stairs. Both believes in human justice <--- tanan man cguro mo 2o ani... athiest dili diay... batoytoya jud aning mga athiest og concept.. pft.

    Christianity and fascism stands on the same stairs. Both seeks to solve existing economic, political, <--- idiotas, christianism is dogma not political nor economic salvation army... lols, hay naku

    communism suppress religion, therefore they cannot go in harmony...

    gott, did you realize u got everything wrong... amf...

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