Christianity and Nazism

[sharkey360]

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[Ramini]

wats the point sharkey?..pics raka kutob? say something

[brownprose]

Gandalf to Saruman: He (Sauron) does not share power.

Christianity was never compatible with Nazism although you will find in history that the Catholic Church made attempts to appease the Nazi government by sending functionaries as often as it could to thwart the imminence of war. Thus the pictures here do not necessarily imply involvement nor show of support but purely emissarial with the goal of persuading Hitler to abandon the idea against the Jews, military expansionism, and policy regulating the church relationship with the state (aka Concordat) -- an effort that miserably failed altogether.

Hitler actually didn't like the Catholic church although he was a Catholic at birth. Overall the attitude of the Nazi party to the Church ranged from tolerance to near total renunciation according to Walter Laqueur's book Fascism: Past, Present, Future not to mention that many Nazis were also anti-clerical in both private and public life since the Reformation.

The church, according to Hitler, would only be a barrier to the Nazi agenda. "The Church and fascism could never have a lasting connection because both are a "holistic Weltanschauung" [claiming the whole of the person] a philosophy dreaded by the Nazis as they were all consumed to the idea to control the human race.

[munzter666]

Gandalf to Saruman: He (Sauron) does not share power.

Christianity was never compatible with Nazism although you will find in history that the Catholic Church made attempts to appease the Nazi government by sending functionaries as often as it could to thwart the imminence of war. Thus the pictures here do not necessarily imply involvement nor show of support but purely emissarial with the goal of persuading Hitler to abandon the idea against the Jews, military expansionism, and policy regulating the church relationship with the state (aka Concordat) -- an effort that miserably failed altogether.

Hitler actually didn't like the Catholic church although he was a Catholic at birth. Overall the attitude of the Nazi party to the Church ranged from tolerance to near total renunciation according to Walter Laqueur's book Fascism: Past, Present, Future not to mention that many Nazis were also anti-clerical in both private and public life since the Reformation.

The church, according to Hitler, would only be a barrier to the Nazi agenda. "The Church and fascism could never have a lasting connection because both are a "holistic Weltanschauung" [claiming the whole of the person] a philosophy dreaded by the Nazis as they were all consumed to the idea to control the human race.

IMO, he was on his way of fabricating his own religion, a slight paradigm shift...in order to do that, he had to keep clerics into his fold to appease the public taste, they even managed to re-write the bible for their benefit(an aryan jesus.haha)

he needs it the most in order to control his subjects/human race, with religion.

[brownprose]

IMO, he was on his way of fabricating his own religion, a slight paradigm shift...in order to do that, he had to keep clerics into his fold to appease the public taste, they even managed to re-write the bible for their benefit(an aryan jesus.haha)

he needs it the most in order to control his subjects/human race, with religion.

heheheheh...an aryan jesus in the incarnation of the fuhror which you can find in the nazi gospel

[Ramini]

It started with the weird SS wedding ceremonies and the SS baptisms at Lebensraum..the fanaticism is at its peak..even women wants to stare at hitler's pic while they're in labour..hehe!..i think if the nazis won..it'd be the end of the papacy..and i just wondered how many skeletons would be found once the nazis open up the vatican archives..hehe!

[Hellblazer 2.1]

what would the implications be, if Valkyrie had been successful?

[Ramini]

it'd be another blow to germany..it'd be another Versailles Treaty and i think much more worse than the last..kai sa last war ang french man ang grabe kaayog reaction and wants reparations badly..now this time..it'd be the Russians who wants payback time...the russians had their eye on the polish especially Stalin who had a personal vendetta against the poles for humiliating and defeating him in a war long ago..where sundalo pa si stalin..but nagpalaban man ang poland sa british regarding the continued existence of Poland during and after the war..but before WWII formally started the nazis and the russians already had enacted a "slicing" up of Polish territory among the nazis and the russians..and lisod pd if masakpan si stalin nga he liquidated almost all of the polish officers and replacing them with new "polish" officers..nway there'd be a lot of arguments and hiding of "skeletons in the closet" especially stalin...the Valkyrie plotters clearly wants to sue for peace and they want to save the german army as well as the german nation..since mga sundalo man ang plotters..but i think that'd be a big problem...kai i think during one of the conferences of the big three (stalin, churchill and FDR) i think sa Malta..kai nagsabot sila tulo kng unsay ilang buhaton sa germany if mapildi nila..and one of stalin's requests was to kill a big percentage of the german officers and generals..but the other two opposed kai inhumane ra kaayo..so anyway to make it short..naai 3 ka dako nga problema if Valkyrie succeeded

1.) The Russo-Polish territorial conflict since the russians were very hesistant on giving up their newly acquired land from the poles which was gkan sa ilang previous pact with the germans..and if mahibaw-an tong killing spree ni stalin sa mga polish officers..and and implications pa jd ana..

2.) Unsaon pag keep sa mga germans sa ilahang armed forces since stalin wants massive executions of german officers may nalng gani after sa war (1945) wla nai nahibilin kaayo nga pamatyon since most officers, generals and higher ups killed themselves..hehe!..and ang reaction sa mga russians sa terms of surrender sa mga plotters..and dli man pd kaayo maka palag ang duha (churchill and FDR) if mubungat si stalin ug demand kai..for the longest time since 1942 pa he's been asking for a 2nd front to ease up german attacks on the russians pero wla man jd nihatag ang western allies and stalin slowly found a way to solve his own problems and even gave the western allies a much needed time to muster a force to open up a 2nd front kai stalin busied the germans sa operation barbarossa and he has the most number of casualties kaysa duha...and of course si churchill who already has a certain dislike for stalin and was Poland's allied rep sa war..and stalin pd has a mistrust to his 2 allies and also his dislike for poles..

3.) If dli ni masturyaan ug ma resolve ug tarong mu lead ni ug war..ni lead man gani ug war ang current ending dli lang kaayo grabe...pero if the russians decide to overrun europe (which was possible) another war will ensue..and unsaon man pagpalag sa mga british?..since hurot2x man pd ilang forces in fighting the germans?..and if ma overrun ang british..then wla nai launchpad ang states for attacking europe..and if mag ally ang duha ka nations Russia and Japan..(cguro uneasy alliance) so i guess mao nai akoang nakita nga mga pwede ma encounter nga problems if valkyrie succedeed. if and only if ilahang ma satisfy si stalin or makahimo silag compromise will there be a peaceful ending.

and about sa christianity..aw if successful ang valkyrie aw..magpadayon sila sa ilang gibati..hehe!

[Hellblazer 2.1]

and about sa christianity..aw if successful ang valkyrie aw..magpadayon sila sa ilang gibati..hehe!

thank God for Jesus. alleluliah!

[munzter666]

heheheheh...an aryan jesus in the incarnation of the fuhror which you can find in the nazi gospel

the der furor would come out more like "THE" as in; edited messiah, for the arayans. the revised/edited bible were allegedly burned before it got circulated, but some copies did survive or escaped the flames.

@ramini
mas daghan pang russians kesa fire arms pod blema ni stalin, resources. they(russians) were the biggest losers in terms of human/military casualties...gi back stab lang siya ug una ni hitler by breaking the treaty, eventually they would end up duking each other during or after the war started. gi first blood lang sila ni hitler.hehe