View Poll Results: Do you think PACO and his crew are innocent?

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  1. #71

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    Quote Originally Posted by LytSlpr
    IMO Rusia should not have been admitted as a witness for 2 reasons, he has countless criminal records and he surfaced quite late and his testimonies were already tailored or rehearsed or whatever. Moreover, he also had lapses in his testimony. He admitted that he didn't see some very crucial part of the crime. Probably because they were so difficult to account for. Would you believe that they allegedly kidnapped, gang-raped and murdered the sisters and he did not see nor participate in it all the way?
    countless criminal records and surfaced quite late does not stop what is RIGHT and the TRUTH . You said you dont speak for josman , I dont speak for Rusia either but look at an angle that makes a witness whom is a criminal lesser in nature than the defendants witness whom are only seeing the GOODS of the WORLD . What the heck ?? Just because maybe rusia has criminal records makes him UNRELIABLE ? Like I said earlier .... EYE WITNESS . He may not have witnessed the CRIME ( probably the rape part ) but still liable to actions of kidnapping and killing . Basin gi solo diay ni Paco pag logos , masuko si Paco naay mo apil . We can put that allegation into a speculation right ? So are all the testimonies of the defendants witnesses .



    BTW, where is Rusia now?
    Ikaw daw mo barog ug STAR WITNESS , sa binisaya pa , imong GI TABLA ug GI TRAYDOR ang mga kaila ug mando nimo na di ra ba ultimo . Kung ikaw si RUSIA LYTSLPR ...... naa pa ba kaha ka diri s aistorya mag post post or suroy suroy sa syudad ? COnsider urself a DEAD MAN WALKING .

    Source of info from SUNSTAR ?? Hehehe ayaw na lang bai ...kamo na lang basa ana dyaryoha .
    " A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. " - 2nd Amendment , Bill of Rights of the United States of America

  2. #72

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    in a legal angle yes, because he is a criminal therefore he is unreliable regardless of being an eye witness. a hardened criminal at that. an aggravating circumstance on his part. what placed him in the crime scene? just his testimony, that is all? so if somebody in this country will assume the crime for the actual criminal then the case will immediately be solved and closed? then if that's the case then even i can kill the person i want to kill tomorrow.

    as to the rape part, don't you think that is impossible? they abducted the girls together and did not saw the actual rape? just imagine bachelor parties... get my point? he relieved himself of that burden coz a rape is technically very hard to account for.

    it's okay to believe sun star in this aspect because they are just presenting or quoting what chiong and the police said. hehe!!

    as for rusia's disappearance, he should be with the people that will mostly protect him such as the chiong who is leading CAV or the witness protection progam perhaps whom he placed his life and trust since he participated in this case. do you mean all of a sudden he lost faith in these people? especially now that he already is a dead man walking? they are the only people he can trust now and suddenly he went astray? if i were him i will cling on to them for life for food, shelter and protection.

  3. #73

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    O.T. Chavit Singson admitted to be a jueteng lord... does that make him less reliable? and probably hardened liar. I suspect that even you believe in what he says.

    So dili ingon nga criminal ka.. dili na jud katohoan ang imo account and vice versa.

  4. #74

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    Quote Originally Posted by FK
    O.T. Chavit Singson admitted to be a jueteng lord... does that make him less reliable? and probably hardened liar. I suspect that even you believe in what he says.

    So dili ingon nga criminal ka.. dili na jud katohoan ang imo account and vice versa.

    i did not say that if you're a criminal your testimony should not be admitted. it has to be thoroughtly qualified. in rusia's case, technically he does not qualify to be a star witness but the judge OK'd it. with the evidences alone they could have supposedly convicted the accused even without a witness. but when rusia surfaced all other evidences were shelved.

    It's like, "mao na gyud ni kay ni angkon na gud nga apil siya." during the course of the case, evidences were no longer given weight when rusia surfaced. there are even serious evidences and questions held by reliable and qualified experts on the authenticity of the body that was found and raised doubts why during the examination of the corpse only selected people were allowed and why they were such in a hurry to bury it.

    plus the testimony of then NBI chief villarin. this guy definitely knows something coz he has done some "odd jobs" for then PACC under Lacson & Erap.

    If i'm not mistaken, the Chiongs are against the exhumation of marijoy's corpse and having it DNA'd. WHY?! My only apprehension is that when the Chiongs will finally agree to have it exhumed, the bones will mysteriously disappear.

  5. #75

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    Quote Originally Posted by LytSlpr
    Quote Originally Posted by FK
    hmm.. dili ba ang reason ni late Judge Ocampo why he didn't render death to the convicts is because he is Pro Life?
    nope, he rendered death left & right. he was supposed to be legally upgright man.
    i remember, according news after the Chiong case was promulgated, the late judge was a pro life and never rendered death sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by LytSlpr
    if i were the parents of the defense. i'll take hold of rusia, protect him and buy him if needed but these people are not like that.
    sure ka wala na nila gbuhat bai? or they were just outsmarted by your alleged "influential" somebody behind judge ocampo's decision.

  6. #76

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    Quote Originally Posted by LytSlpr
    it could be that they were nervous. during my first experience in a court room and giving a testimony, i was totally at a loss. my feet was trembling and i was mumbling.

    anyway, the reason i was nervous is that i was always getting ahead of myself and thought what the prosecution was about to ask next. i didn't lie but i anticipated. BIG MISTAKE!. mostly Paco's witnessess were educated & probably committed the same mistake i did.

    witnessess testimonies should be equally given weight regardless if it is for the defense or prosecution regardless of stature in the community but having a criminal record should not be given equal weight because they are already hardened and expert in manipulating the system such as Rusia except for most remote cases such as the Filmon hardware case. Wherein the minor na kuyog ra gyud but IMO Rusia should not have been admitted as a witness for 2 reasons, he has countless criminal records and he surfaced quite late and his testimonies were already tailored or rehearsed or whatever. Moreover, he also had lapses in his testimony. He admitted that he didn't see some very crucial part of the crime. Probably because they were so difficult to account for. Would you believe that they allegedly kidnapped, gang-raped and murdered the sisters and he did not see nor participate in it all the way? One of the reasons why Ocampo did not render death which created a reasonable doubt. If the judge really has seen it was beyond reasonable doubt, he should have sentenced all of them to death or acquitted them. It's that simple! But why didn't he?

    BTW, where is Rusia now?
    Hey whats the point about this case? The Supreme Court has decided! DEATH TO PACO, JOSMAN, ROWEN and the rest. So let justice take its course. Let see if the government has the balls to execute the sentence. The only thing that could stop the lethal injection is a pardon by Mrs. Arroyo.

    By the way ltspr, our criminal laws does not require absolute certainty that the accused is guilty. What is required is MORAL CERTAINTY! And this has been ascertained by the several hearings of the case. Its the fault of the accused that they were not able to present their witnesses. They refuse to present as an ill advised tactic.

    you are so vain.

  7. #77

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    Quote Originally Posted by estor_boot

    i remember, according news after the Chiong case was promulgated, the late judge was a pro life and never rendered death sentence.
    REALLY?! If that's the case then why did he take the job in the first place?

  8. #78

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    Quote Originally Posted by dawn runner
    you are so vain.
    PARDON ME : :!:

  9. #79

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    If I were RUSIA .... I will disappear like a bubble . After the services I rendered as the STAR WITNESS , the only PERSON I trust is MYSELF . Nobody knew whos who because money BUYS everything . Would you still cling to the WPP and the CHIONGS after you sided with them ? Hehehe .... I dont think so . Unayon man gani ta sa paryente karong panahuna , ang na-agrabyado pa ba .


    Does VINCIT OMNIA VERITAS sound familiar to you ?? It means TRUTH CONQUERS ALL . Like I said I am not siding with the CHIONGS nor saying PACO is GUILTY but seeing someone say because a witness basing in his/her reputation as a criminal makes him/her a lesser person . Admitted or not , if it is the truth then so be it . I believed that the statements of RUSIA could have been fabricated of what really happened . If I were RUSIA , mo apil ko ug rape ug .... lami na kaau na ug AMATS gud faet igo ra ko mo bira ug takob sa ba^ba^ unya lain ang malipay ? But according to his statements , I really dont care what happened ... as long as the relativity of the persons in the form PACO , JOSMAN , ROWEN , UY brothers etc and the crime commited are common factors basing from the EYE WITNESS . Lisod gud ug naay nakakita and namasangil compared to nitan-aw ug nitudlo .
    " A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. " - 2nd Amendment , Bill of Rights of the United States of America

  10. #80

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    paco is guilty.

    fry his ass!

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