NDF: a terrorist group or not?

[Spec-V]

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^ Here are the list of terror groups from right wing, left wing & everything in between:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_groups

and other links:

http://www.asianpacificpost.com/port...da116d.do.html

http://www.tkb.org/Group.jsp?groupID=4093

[luntian_grace]

^ Here are the list of terror groups from right wing, left wing & everything in between:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_groups

and other links:

http://www.asianpacificpost.com/port...da116d.do.html

http://www.tkb.org/Group.jsp?groupID=4093



mam i did not ask for the list of terrorist groups (kay i believe that they should be reviewed and polished). what am i asking for is the list of recent human rights violation of that NDF. for this guy that i have quoted awhile ago said that they have killed inocents. and now i want him to actually answer me. diin siya nakakuha og info such as that? para maka tabang ta sa victims and para ma record ni siya for future proposes. i want first hand info na gikan sa victim mismo. kaya nga para makuhaan og affidavit ang mga kaanak sa victims or ang victim jud. kay if inter net lang ta magbase ug walang invistigation walang kaso na ma file if mao ra na ang atong basihan. unsaon pagtabang sa mga biktima if mag-google ra ka, then say na mamamatay tao sila, and sila ang nipatay ni juan. don't give me list of terrorist groups give me names of the victims. kay i know how to search in the inter net kung kinsa ang gipang brand as terrorist. ang one thing lang nawala ko is the list of their inocent victims. let me remind you sa korte dili na siya mo stand na kay ingon man siya gud na statement, kinahanglan sure ka and you will put your life on it. good luck na lang kung dawaton sa prelimenaties ang acording to who na lines (milagro na jud na)

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

LUNTIAN GRACE .... how about ikaw provide namo ug proof of ur such claims kesyo nag monitor ka sa activities sa group, naa kay pictures or documentaries na ikaw naka interview sa victims etc then we can start from there . ANg mo ingon na daghan ni sila ug kabuang has the right to say so because they could have seen it in the TV's or heard in the radio though it does not guarantee accuracy kay media man . If the NDF alone has not commited any acts of terrorism but for the fact that they do support because of alliance to the CPP-NPA , it does not exclude them as accessories at least . Otherwise , ni depensa lang ka because you are one of them . Everyone knows ang NPA has done no good ever since they changed kung unsa ang hukbalahap ni adto , ngano mo enter pa man gyud ?

[pandisal]

Luntian Grace ... pud,... this is a forum were usually a discussion for a subject and typically giving out what they think about the topic and sometimes giving out links. If proof your looking, this is not the right venue. If you are looking for proof, go to the Human Rights local websites not here coz we are only voicing out what we think about the subject and some friendly debates... it seems you are trying to kill some of the arguments given by our member here...

[tolstoi]

i know it is an old issue but i guess this is what luntian_grace's looking for..

Killing of ‘Nong Boy bear imprints of human rights violation

http://www.cyberdyaryo.com/statement...3_0602_03.html


CPP-NPA, major human rights violators in Mindanao - Gen. Luna

http://wowcagayandeoro.com/?p=56

[tolstoi]

Cornered NPAs kill bus driver

http://www.malaya.com.ph/apr12/news4.htm

[LytSlpr]

NDF? Terrorist org? Ngano gud tawon. Tinood ma momba na sila ug cell site (mayra sad uy kay daku kaayo gianansya cellfone companies) ug manunug ug bus pero WA MAY CIVILIAN ILANG I ANGIN.

di ko mo patol ani..

na unsa ka diha? pataka ra man ka ug istorya! palihug siguroha na imong mga komentaryo, kay wala na nagka di mao.

di na lang ta mag lalis kay bisan mo limod pa na ang NPA...


1] nabuking na gyud na sila kung unsa ilang gusto labi na ilang mga lider
2] daghan na ug higayon nakapatay na sila ug mga inosente.
3] magpagamit na sila ug magpabayad sa politiko labi na kung eleksyon
4] private army sa uban politiko

...ug daghan pa ug lain mga kabuang

of course you can always say nga mga rogue or splinter groups to sila or gipagawas ra ug ingon ana sa media or gobyerno ba kaha pero di sa siguro ingon ana ka-ihas ang katawhan. labi na karon nga naa na'y internet, cellphone, satellite, cable ug uban pa. ang ma-ilad aning mga NPA kay kadto ra pud mga taga bukid.

where did you get all this data? for i am one of those people who were monitoring the activities of this group. i want to know if this is valid and if you can actually give me some information. i want to have a first hand infor meaning naka interview baka og mga victims nila? if so, can you name atleast one, para maka file ko og affidavit sa mga victims. for this is a clear violation againts CARHRIHL if tinood. If nakoha ra ni nimo na info sa mga chikachika ayaw na lang kog samok-samoka. the last violation nga among nakoha na data was last, mga early 90s sa aning group. tinood wala pa ko ka dawat og likramo sa mga civilian na ilang gimaltrato if naa man gani. most sa data about killing mga inosente na civilian kay ni piont sa mga AFP ug mga cafgu. sa on saon man tani ikaw kahibaw ka ana? wala man na siya gipagawas sa tv, prints and radio. ug dili jud nah siya ipagawas. naa ko sa human rights watch NGO na ngmonitor og human rights violations sa kabukiran. if gusto ka tagaan pa tika sa copy sa ilang mga affidavit, basin unya dili nimo mabasa kay niaabout raba siya og 5000 plus ang reported cases wala pay labot ang wala nihatag og affi sa term ni arroyo lang.

[luntian_grace]

LUNTIAN GRACE .... how about ikaw provide namo ug proof of ur such claims kesyo nag monitor ka sa activities sa group, naa kay pictures or documentaries na ikaw naka interview sa victims etc then we can start from there . ANg mo ingon na daghan ni sila ug kabuang has the right to say so because they could have seen it in the TV's or heard in the radio though it does not guarantee accuracy kay media man . If the NDF alone has not commited any acts of terrorism but for the fact that they do support because of alliance to the CPP-NPA , it does not exclude them as accessories at least . Otherwise , ni depensa lang ka because you are one of them . Everyone knows ang NPA has done no good ever since they changed kung unsa ang hukbalahap ni adto , ngano mo enter pa man gyud ?

moa lagi na ni ask ko og help sa mga tao to give some info about the ndf's violations for i don't hold one in my hands since naging volunteer ak. most hinuon na violations na among na gather were violations sa mga military and cafgus in the hinterland. i want you to help me find such facts to nailed them, to proved that they commit such crims againts the civilians if their is one. i'm also monitoring the media, so take for example palo masacre our team was one of those people sa crime scene, mismo the claims of the military is contradictory sa mga evidence na among nagathered. csi teh! an am ginabuhat. diri la nagbase han report ha media. naa pod baya ko background journalism and i know diri tanan info i hatag ha im gininterview. If gusto ka sir I can provide pictures sa mga fact finding missions sa mga teams if you like. Pero the issue is not the military and cafgu here but the ndf’s violations as you people have claimed, that’s why I’m asking the list of names han victims so we can file a case against them. As simple as that. sir waray ak ni depensa nila i'm just looking for the truth, if ang pagpangita han kamatuoran pagdepensa ha ila then we are all like them if not all. ak waray pake kon unsa han ila gitotouhan, ak lang concern ang mga civilian na pwedeng maapil sa gubat na waray labot.

[luntian_grace]

Luntian Grace ... pud,... this is a forum were usually a discussion for a subject and typically giving out what they think about the topic and sometimes giving out links. If proof your looking, this is not the right venue. If you are looking for proof, go to the Human Rights local websites not here coz we are only voicing out what we think about the subject and some friendly debates... it seems you are trying to kill some of the arguments given by our member here...Â* Â*

sorry! when you ask debate you are giving data and unsa pa man ang mas maayo na data kun diri ang first hand data. thats all i'm asking mas accurate na data. if ma kill ang argument sorry those are not may intentions, may intentions here is pls clariffy your data before you take a side. di ba mas nindut if sure ka sa imong claims? what i'm saying is let us not only take usa na source, but try others. media is one, or actual people mismo na afected sa insidents. this is too out of the topic na, don't you think? and again sorry.

[luntian_grace]

i know it is an old issue but i guess this is what luntian_grace's looking for..

Killing of ‘Nong Boy bear imprints of human rights violation

http://www.cyberdyaryo.com/statement...3_0602_03.html


CPP-NPA, major human rights violators in Mindanao - Gen. Luna

http://wowcagayandeoro.com/?p=56

this is one good source, thanks. as soon as possible i will dig this case about the boy. pero ang naa sa wowcagayandeoro maglisud ko for i know for a fact na enimies ang duha. they can use the word terrorism to fit the description na violation na sila,na kinahanglan ang militarization to some barangays, and civilians can be brand as mga npa, ndf by the mil, which is ang ak na gikahadlokan. sa wowcagayandeoro need nato tanawon ang tangang sides sa military, sa npa, and mismo sa civilians. this requires extensive investigation. dahan pang questions ang tubangon, like kinsa ang nanguna, reasons nganong nabuhat and so on.