Kinsay motoo na ang Ginoo tulo-usa?

[necrotic freak]

ha? personal interpretation? gibasa rana nako bro, ikaw maoy nag-interpret.
kaklaro na ana nga gisulti ni JESUS CHRIST nga dili sila equal kay greater ang Father pero imo gyud ipugos ang inyo doctrina nga HOLY TRINITY bahalag wala sa bible (aw dili man diay complete ang bible matud pa ninyo).

og one thing, tubaga ang question ni PAL aron makita ang katag.

Peace!

ang tudlo ba ni Eliboy ninyo rcruman nga si Cristo God? sama sa God the father?

dili ba ni ingon man ka nga si Jesus Christ naa nang daan since the beginning with the God the father?

Paul is referring to what the apostle John wrote about Jesus’ nature “All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made” (John 1:3).

naka bantay ka ani nga verse rcruman?

Philippians 2:5-8
5Let the same mind be in you that was* in Christ Jesus,
6who, though he was in the form of God,
did not regard equality with God
as something to be exploited,
7but emptied himself,
taking the form of a slave,
being born in human likeness.
And being found in human form,
8 he humbled himself
and became obedient to the point of death—
even death on a cross.

he humbled Himself rcruman. ka kuha ka?

ug sa kani nga verse rcruman..

John 14:28 “You have heard Me say to you, 'I am going away and coming back to you.' If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said, 'I am going to the Father,' for My Father is greater than I.”

wala niya gigamit iyang pagka Ginoo, kundi ang iyang pagka tao.. became a servant to the Father and mankind and while Christ was here as a man.

ug greater pa ang father niya. unsa man pod imong sabot ani nga verse rcruman?

Titus 2:13
13while we wait for the blessed hope and the manifestation of the glory of our great God and Saviour,* Jesus Christ.

great God and Saviour man lagi diay pod si Cristo..

[rcruman]

ang tudlo ba ni Eliboy ninyo rcruman nga si Cristo God? sama sa God the father?

Yes gitudlo ni Bro. ELi with verses of the bible nga si Christ kay GOD.
God si Christ pero dili parehag power sa GOd the Father, lisod bana sabton?
sama gud nako tao nya si NOLI de Castro kay tao pud pero vice presidente pasabot ba nimo nga pareha mi ni Noli de Castro og gahum kung ato sundan imo logic?

dili ba ni ingon man ka nga si Jesus Christ naa nang daan since the beginning with the God the father?

yes according to the bible.

naka bantay ka ani nga verse rcruman?

Philippians 2:5-8
5Let the same mind be in you that was* in Christ Jesus,
6who, though he was in the form of God,
did not regard equality with God
as something to be exploited,
7but emptied himself,
taking the form of a slave,
being born in human likeness.
And being found in human form,
8 he humbled himself
and became obedient to the point of death—
even death on a cross.

he humbled Himself rcruman. ka kuha ka?

ug sa kani nga verse rcruman..

John 14:28 “You have heard Me say to you, 'I am going away and coming back to you.' If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said, 'I am going to the Father,' for My Father is greater than I.”

wala niya gigamit iyang pagka Ginoo, kundi ang iyang pagka tao.. became a servant to the Father and mankind and while Christ was here as a man.

ug greater pa ang father niya. unsa man pod imong sabot ani nga verse rcruman?

Titus 2:13
13while we wait for the blessed hope and the manifestation of the glory of our great God and Saviour,* Jesus Christ.

great God and Saviour man lagi diay pod si Cristo..

ha? so meaning sa dihang gisulti ni Jesus Christ nga Father is greater than I kay sa panahong tao si Christ mao nga greater than I?
nya asa naman tong imo giingon nga 100% siya tao and the same time 100% nga God (diba tuo ka ani?)

so sa John 14:28 pasabot ba nimo nga ang comparison diha kay ang Tao nga si Jesus og ang DIOS Amahan?
asa gud intawon sa bible nga puede nato itupong ang ato pagkatao sa DIOS AMAHAN?
Kahibalo baka nga langit ang distansya sa tao og Dios?


kuyawag explanation nimo ngano Trinity bro kalayo ra gyud intawon.

naka bantay ka ani nga verse rcruman?

Philippians 2:5-8
5Let the same mind be in you that was* in Christ Jesus,
6who, though he was in the form of God,
did not regard equality with God
as something to be exploited,
7but emptied himself,
taking the form of a slave,
being born in human likeness.
And being found in human form,
8 he humbled himself
and became obedient to the point of death—
even death on a cross.

he humbled Himself rcruman. ka kuha ka?

nya inside that man JESUS unsay sulod? tao o Ginoo?

neocroticfreak kung muingon ba tag ANAK o SON (diba si Jesus Christ) unsay kahimtang Dios o Tao?

kahibalo ba ka kung unsay rason ngano greater ang Father kaysa kay Christ?
basaha gani ang 1 corinthians 11 diba masuwawan ka sa imo prinsipyo.

Peace!

[necrotic freak]

Yes gitudlo ni Bro. ELi with verses of the bible nga si Christ kay GOD.
God si Christ pero dili parehag power sa GOd the Father, lisod bana sabton?
sama gud nako tao nya si NOLI de Castro kay tao pud pero vice presidente pasabot ba nimo nga pareha mi ni Noli de Castro og gahum kung ato sundan imo logic?


yes according to the bible.!

dili na parihas nga logic rcruman. ikaw ug si Noli de castro dili usa, kundi duha mo ka tao. apan si Cristo ug ang God the father kay USA ra ka enitity. lisod bana sabton?

ha? so meaning sa dihang gisulti ni Jesus Christ nga Father is greater than I kay sa panahong tao si Christ mao nga greater than I?
nya asa naman tong imo giingon nga 100% siya tao and the same time 100% nga God (diba tuo ka ani?)!

mao lagi.. ngano giminusan ka sa Ginoo rcruman? dili ba diay siya pwde maka switch from 100% God to 100% tao? naay panahon nga iyang ilugar iyang kaugalingon sama nato. ug naa sad panahon nga iyang pagka Ginoo ang mo tigbabaw..

so sa John 14:28 pasabot ba nimo nga ang comparison diha kay ang Tao nga si Jesus og ang DIOS Amahan?
asa gud intawon sa bible nga puede nato itupong ang ato pagkatao sa DIOS AMAHAN?
Kahibalo baka nga langit ang distansya sa tao og Dios?!

rcruman.. ang gi ingon ni Cristo diha kay Greater than, dili Better than.. nga sa imong pagsabot itupong ilang abilidad..

kuyawag explanation nimo ngano Trinity bro kalayo ra gyud intawon.


nya inside that man JESUS unsay sulod? tao o Ginoo?

neocroticfreak kung muingon ba tag ANAK o SON (diba si Jesus Christ) unsay kahimtang Dios o Tao?

kahibalo ba ka kung unsay rason ngano greater ang Father kaysa kay Christ?
basaha gani ang 1 corinthians 11 diba masuwawan ka sa imo prinsipyo.

Peace!

both rcruman.. tao ug Ginoo

ug dili na prinsipyo rcruman.. apan usa kana ka dogma nga na himugso niadtong early century of the church..

[level42]

I believe you just called God a bunch of "BS"... you want to know why... the Bible is God breathe, and you just called it a cows dung... you just called God's breathe a cow dung...

May God have mercy on your soul... don't be sorry to us, be sorry to God who you just cursed...

as they always say "big mouth, small brain"

I didnt say Bullshit on God, imo man gi literal......

I think you are already crossing the line bro... read forums rules, attack the opinion not the person..

mura man nimo gi curse ang dili motoo sa Bible, then its like you're also cursing Atheist..

remember God doesnt discriminate, even if he kills he doesnt whether your good or bad if its your time he'll kill you


again peace, salamat diay sa mga answers ninyo except for this guy..

[rcruman]

dili na parihas nga logic rcruman. ikaw ug si Noli de castro dili usa, kundi duha mo ka tao. apan si Cristo ug ang God the father kay USA ra ka enitity. lisod bana sabton?

Usa ka entity? kasabot ba ka sa imo gisulti?
read this verse bro kung pila ka entity:

16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Matthew 3:16-17

11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
John 17:11

usa ra ka entity? so kinsa diay ang naa sa langit sa dihang gibautismuhan si Jesus?
kinsa diay ang gihangad ni Jesus sa John 17:11? iya raba gihapon kaugalingon?

ato binagsahon bro ha, ang Dios Amahan kay lahi kaysa kay Jesus Christ .
Pareho sila nga GInoo pero dili parehog power and Jesus Christ Himself admitted it that the Father is Greater than Him, nya usa ra ka Entity? basag bible bro aron maulawan ka gamay sa imo nahibaw-an.

mao lagi.. ngano giminusan ka sa Ginoo rcruman? dili ba diay siya pwde maka switch from 100% God to 100% tao? naay panahon nga iyang ilugar iyang kaugalingon sama nato. ug naa sad panahon nga iyang pagka Ginoo ang mo tigbabaw..

makaswitch? asa sa bible nga makaswitch siya?
so ang Dios Amahan og si Jesus usa ra? oneness ka?
basa balik sa Matthew 3:16-17.

rcruman.. ang gi ingon ni Cristo diha kay Greater than, dili Better than.. nga sa imong pagsabot itupong ilang abilidad..

ha? imo raman nang Better than wala man ko nag-ingon ana, dili man ka tarong kaistorya bro kay mubuhat man kag laing unggo nga imo kahadlukan.

both rcruman.. tao ug Ginoo

both? so karon sa John 14:28 tao siya atong higayona nga nagsulti "Father is greater than I"?
mura diay og chameleon bro kung ato kuhaon ang logic ninyo nga TRINITY? nilayo naman kaayo ka bro.
Mabasahan ni sa mga CFD og PARI ninyo imo statement kay mabadulungan gyud ka kay pataka naman lang ka.

ug dili na prinsipyo rcruman.. apan usa kana ka dogma nga na himugso niadtong early century of the church..

so dili gikan sa bible nga dogma kungdi gikan sa early century of the church?
good for you nga niangkon ka nga dili gikan sa bible kungdi gikan sa early century of the church.

Peace!

[jouho]

hello guys,

The most difficult thing about the Christian concept of the Trinity is that there is no way to adequately explain it. The Trinity is a concept that is impossible for any human being to fully understand, let alone explain. God is infinitely greater than we are, therefore we should not expect to be able to fully understand Him. The Bible teaches that the Father is God, that Jesus is God, and that the Holy Spirit is God. The Bible also teaches that there is only one God. Though we can understand some facts about the relationship of the different persons of the Trinity to one another, ultimately, it is incomprehensible to the human mind. However, this does not mean it is not true or not based on the teachings of the Bible.

Keep in mind when studying this subject that the word "Trinity" is not used in Scripture. This is a term that is used to attempt to describe the triune God, the fact that there are 3 coexistent, co-eternal persons that make up God. Understand that this is NOT in any way suggesting 3 Gods. The Trinity is 1 God made up of 3 persons. There is nothing wrong with using the term "Trinity" even though the word is not found in the Bible. It is shorter to say the word "Trinity" than to say "3 coexistent, co-eternal persons making up 1 God." If this presents a problem to you, consider this: the word grandfather is not used in the Bible either. Yet, we know there were grandfathers in the Bible. Abraham was the grandfather of Jacob. So don't get hung up on the term "Trinity" itself. What should be of real importance is that the concept that is REPRESENTED by the word "Trinity" does exist in Scripture. With the introduction out of the way, Bible verses will be given in discussion of the Trinity.

1) There is one God: Deuteronomy 6:4; 1 Corinthians 8:4; Galatians 3:20; 1 Timothy 2:5.

2) The Trinity consists of three Persons: Genesis 1:1; 1:26; 3:22; 11:7; Isaiah 6:8; 48:16; 61:1; Matthew 3:16-17; Matt 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14. In the passages in the Old Testament, a knowledge of Hebrew is helpful. In Genesis 1:1, the plural noun "Elohim" is used. In Genesis 1:26; 3:22; 11:7 and Isaiah 6:8, the plural pronoun for "us" is used. That "Elohim" and "us" refer to more than two is WITHOUT question. In English, you only have two forms, singular and plural. In Hebrew, you have three forms: singular, dual, and plural. Dual is for two ONLY. In Hebrew, the dual form is used for things that come in pairs like eyes, ears, and hands. The word "Elohim" and the pronoun "us" are plural forms - definitely more than two - and must be referring to three or more (Father, Son, Holy Spirit).

In Isaiah 48:16 and 61:1, the Son is speaking while making reference to the Father and the Holy Spirit. Compare Isaiah 61:1 to Luke 4:14-19 to see that it is the Son speaking. Matthew 3:16-17 describes the event of Jesus' baptism. Seen in this is God the Holy Spirit descending on God the Son while God the Father proclaims His pleasure in the Son. Matthew 28:19 and 2 Corinthians 13:14 are examples of 3 distinct persons in the Trinity.

3) The members of the Trinity are distinguished one from another in various passages: In the Old Testament, "LORD" is distinguished from "Lord" (Genesis 19:24; Hosea 1:4). The "LORD" has a "Son" (Psalm 2:7, 12; Proverbs 30:2-4). Spirit is distinguished from the "LORD" (Numbers 27:1 and from "God" (Psalm 51:10-12). God the Son is distinguished from God the Father (Psalm 45:6-7; Hebrews 1:8-9). In the New Testament, John 14:16-17 is where Jesus speaks to the Father about sending a Helper, the Holy Spirit. This shows that Jesus did not consider Himself to be the Father or the Holy Spirit. Consider also all of the other times in the Gospels where Jesus speaks to the Father. Was He speaking to Himself? No. He spoke to another person in the Trinity - the Father.

4) Each member of the Trinity is God: The Father is God: John 6:27; Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 1:2. The Son is God: John 1:1, 14; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8; 1 John 5:20. The Holy Spirit is God: Acts 5:3-4; 1 Corinthians 3:16 (The One who indwells is the Holy Spirit - Romans 8:9; John 14:16-17; Acts 2:1-4).

5) The subordination within the Trinity: Scripture shows that the Holy Spirit is subordinate to the Father and the Son, and the Son is subordinate to the Father. This is an internal relationship, and does not deny the deity of any person of the Trinity. This is simply an area which our finite minds cannot understand concerning the infinite God. Concerning the Son see: Luke 22:42; John 5:36; John 20:21; 1 John 4:14. Concerning the Holy Spirit see: John 14:16; 14:26; 15:26; 16:7 and especially John 16:13-14.

6) The tasks of the individual members of the Trinity: The Father is the ultimate source or cause of: 1) the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; Revelation 4:11); 2) divine revelation (Revelation 1:1); 3) salvation (John 3:16-17); and 4) Jesus' human works (John 5:17; 14:10). The Father INITIATES all of these things.

The Son is the agent through whom the Father does the following works: 1) the creation and maintenance of the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; John 1:3; Colossians 1:16-17); 2) divine revelation (John 1:1; Matthew 11:27; John 16:12-15; Revelation 1:1); and 3) salvation (2 Corinthians 5:19; Matthew 1:21; John 4:42). The Father does all these things through the Son, who functions as His agent.

The Holy Spirit is the means by whom the Father does the following works: 1) creation and maintenance of the universe (Genesis 1:2; Job 26:13; Psalm 104:30); 2) divine revelation (John 16:12-15; Ephesians 3:5; 2 Peter 1:21); 3) salvation (John 3:6; Titus 3:5; 1 Peter 1:2); and 4) Jesus' works (Isaiah 61:1; Acts 10:3. Thus the Father does all these things by the power of the Holy Spirit.

None of the popular illustrations are completely accurate descriptions of the Trinity. The egg (or apple) fails in that the shell, white, and yolk are parts of the egg, not the egg in themselves. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are not parts of God, each of them is God. The water illustration is somewhat better but still fails to adequately describe the Trinity. Liquid, vapor, and ice are forms of water. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not forms of God, each of them is God. So, while these illustrations may give us a picture of the Trinity, the picture is not entirely accurate. An infinite God cannot be fully described by a finite illustration. Instead of focusing on the Trinity, try to focus on the fact of God's greatness and infinitely higher nature than our own. "Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out! Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been his counselor?" (Romans 11:33-34)

Below is the best symbol for the Trinity we are aware of:
Trinity symbol



Amen.

God bless.

[Soul Doctor]

OT: ^^gwapo lagi ka bay!
murag genius imong nawong heheh

[jouho]

aw..sympre nmn.o_^

[Soul Doctor]

OT:
Eskwela kag CEbu Doc no?
Dentistry imong course?

[necrotic freak]

Usa ka entity? kasabot ba ka sa imo gisulti?
read this verse bro kung pila ka entity:

16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Matthew 3:16-17

11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
John 17:11

usa ra ka entity? so kinsa diay ang naa sa langit sa dihang gibautismuhan si Jesus?
kinsa diay ang gihangad ni Jesus sa John 17:11? iya raba gihapon kaugalingon?

ato binagsahon bro ha, ang Dios Amahan kay lahi kaysa kay Jesus Christ .
Pareho sila nga GInoo pero dili parehog power and Jesus Christ Himself admitted it that the Father is Greater than Him, nya usa ra ka Entity? basag bible bro aron maulawan ka gamay sa imo nahibaw-an.!

Usa rana ka being rcruman. who exists, simultaneously and eternally, as a mutual indwelling of three persons.. kahambugero jud nimo rcruman sa? cge ka'g balik2x pabasahaon ko nimo ug bible, maka tubag kaha nimo diri ug wala pako nag basa sa among bible? uh? 1st century pa rcruman naa na ni doctrine sa Trinity tungod sa mga bangiitang scholars sa simbahan atong panahona. nya karon mo claim ka nga dakong sayop to ang mga scholars sauna? mas maayong laki paka kaysa nila rcruman? aw tingali sa mga RC nga inocente madala jud nimo..

makaswitch? asa sa bible nga makaswitch siya?
so ang Dios Amahan og si Jesus usa ra? oneness ka?
basa balik sa Matthew 3:16-17.!

We believe in Triune God.

ha? imo raman nang Better than wala man ko nag-ingon ana, dili man ka tarong kaistorya bro kay mubuhat man kag laing unggo nga imo kahadlukan.!

mao lagi wala ka nag ingon ana pero imong gusto ipa sabot kay ang father is better than the son. kay imo jud ipagawas mas labaw ug gahom ang father kaysa son.

both? so karon sa John 14:28 tao siya atong higayona nga nagsulti "Father is greater than I"?
mura diay og chameleon bro kung ato kuhaon ang logic ninyo nga TRINITY? nilayo naman kaayo ka bro.
Mabasahan ni sa mga CFD og PARI ninyo imo statement kay mabadulungan gyud ka kay pataka naman lang ka.!

chameleon ba oie.. ayaw nalang pag logic2x diha kay lagpas raba na.. there is one God yet three persons share the power and authority of God, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. They are distinct from each other; they have separate missions and also a collective mission. They are equal and different.

so dili gikan sa bible nga dogma kungdi gikan sa early century of the church?
good for you nga niangkon ka nga dili gikan sa bible kungdi gikan sa early century of the church.

Peace!

tanawa ra gud ka rcruman. asta ang akong statement imong usbon ang meaning.. samot na jud sa scriptures sa imo sad nga meaning..

pina imo pa ay. asa sa akong post bro nga nag ingon dili gikan sa bible ang kana nga dogma?

rcruman ang akong gi ingon no kay, nahimugso gikan pa sa early century church.. ug natural asa paman diay to nila na kuha nga dogma kundi sa scriptures gyud.. naa ba gud dogma nga dil gikan sa scriptures? pastilan nimo rcruman... pina ingon dayon ka good for me nga ni angkon ko? unsay angkonon? pugson man diay paangkon nga bisag wala.