Lozada 'doesn't need to visit Cebu for us to know the truth'

[giddyboy]

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So you believe Mr. Enrile?

of course, but not all...ky ng inject man cya ug speculation. but:

(1) i believe it as a fact: that Lozada asked for money but did not use it. When Lozada was already in HK, he asked for money and when he was given 500k, Lozada did not use the money and failed to inform the Senate about it 12 days after he returned. Only then did he present the money during the hearing.

(2) i believe it as a fact: that the money was given to Lozada’s brother late afternoon of Feb. 4, yet, as early as noontime of Feb. 4, Lozada’s family was already in La Salle Green Hills. Then he arrived Feb. 5. Lacson was at the airport Feb. 5.

(3) i believe it as a fact: that Lacson also knew when Lozada would return to the country, and that, in fact, he went to the airport on Feb. 5 to fetch Lozada. Lacson even admitted he was there for that purpose, but said the police got to Lozada first.

(4) i believe it as a fact: that Lacson admitted that while the Senate warrant was issued Jan. 26, he and Lozada met Jan. 29, or on the eve of Lozada’s trip to Hong Kong.

(5) i believe it as a fact: that Senator Lacson and Lozada had been meeting several times prior to Lozada’s departure.

AW NGANO LALISON man nato ni nga FACT man?...molalis na diay ka rn ni Lacson nga ni-admit man cya?

The argument there is not Lozada lying about not going to wack-wack, it is about Lozada being threatened by Abalos. Lozada went to wack-wack with Sec. Neri in tow, nagpalaban bha....If you notice sa Harapan, Abalos did not counter Lozada's statement about Neri being with him. Since nag hisgot man ka sa Harapan, If you notice also, how the text votes resulted. Ayaw ko ingna mas mo tuo ka ni Abalos?

aw nangayo man kha ka ug one of his "inconsistencies"...so ako sab gihatag. daghan man gani, dili ra usa...ayaw nlng liko-likoa.

NIINGON C LOZADA SA SENADO nga wa na cya nagpakita sa wack2x after na death threat kno cya ni Abalos. SA SENADO NA HA...sworn to tell the truth...so there u go...

[omar50071]

@ OMAR ... we are all words of mouth here based from the progress of reports , personal opinions and news reports and so on and so forth .

Indeed dili nato ma disprove and iyahang testimonies .

Let me ask you though and answer it personally , are his TESTIMONIES the TRUTH ?

Mao lagi bro spring....let us examin it first and judge him accordingly, and not lambast him with accusations.

As far as I am concern, he has been consistent with his testimonies, Sec. Neri even confirmed some of his testimonies. When we would examine the statements of Abalos, Razon, Atienza and Defensor,etc wala magka dimao, palpak ang ilahang script writer.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

Mao pod lage sad bossing .... indeed LOZADA is playing it right because he was taught well . Though again dili tani ma prove because wala ta didto and we dont have any insiders , pero klaro man kaayo na siya usa lang ka puppet and the perfect candidate for the issue .

The problem is , ni gawas na man pod si ENRILE , what he said needs to be taken also to acocunt and that doesnt mean na kung bakakon si LOZADA ug LACSON kay bakakon pod si ENRILE . Karon kay tuohan man nato si LOZADA kay consistent lage , does that statement justify na dili pod nato tuohan si ENRILE ? Karon kung ibutang ta lang na in respect for both gentlemen kay puro tinuod gipangsulti , unsay rason na ngano mas dapig man ta ni LOZADA na he was speaking of more TRUTH in GOOD FAITH ?

Lastly bro ... lisod man sad mo sulti ka na we should not lambast LOZADA right away with accusations kay kana diay gi buhat niya kang PGMA di ba sobra pa man na sa LAMBAST ? Without even any PROBABLE CAUSE linking directly to her.

[omar50071]

(1) i believe it as a fact: that Lozada asked for money but did not use it. When Lozada was already in HK, he asked for money and when he was given 500k, Lozada did not use the money and failed to inform the Senate about it 12 days after he returned. Only then did he present the money during the hearing.

Bro, while Lozada was in Hongkong, he was using credit cards to purchase the things that he needs, ang iya unta tuyo ato na money is to pay for his expenses para sa iyaha credit cards. mao wala pa niya gi gamit. If things would have turned out what he expects, which is to run away from the senate, he would have used it to pay his credit cards. But sad to say everything turned upside down for him. He may be preoccupied with the things happening around him mao 12 days after he returned pa niya na uli ang money.

(2) i believe it as a fact: that the money was given to Lozada’s brother late afternoon of Feb. 4, yet, as early as noontime of Feb. 4, Lozada’s family was already in La Salle Green Hills. Then he arrived Feb. 5. Lacson was at the airport Feb. 5.

So whats the catch?

(3) i believe it as a fact: that Lacson also knew when Lozada would return to the country, and that, in fact, he went to the airport on Feb. 5 to fetch Lozada. Lacson even admitted he was there for that purpose, but said the police got to Lozada first.

I think it was public knowledge when will Lozada arrive.
What's wrong with fetching Lozada at the airport together with the Senate Seargent at Arms? Please dont give me the speculation that lacson was there to snatch Lozada from the police and the senate seargent at arms.

(4) i believe it as a fact: that Lacson admitted that while the Senate warrant was issued Jan. 26, he and Lozada met Jan. 29, or on the eve of Lozada’s trip to Hong Kong.

kung mo dakop ka ug manok na idlas, dili dayon itsahan sa bukag, you should buiild trust para dili ma idlas. You should let him think at his own pace, i think mao ni gibuhat ni Lacson.

(5) i believe it as a fact: that Senator Lacson and Lozada had been meeting several times prior to Lozada’s departure.

So what's wrong with that, he had been meeting with other administration personalities also.

aw nangayo man kha ka ug one of his "inconsistencies"...so ako sab gihatag. daghan man gani, dili ra usa...ayaw nlng liko-likoa.

Wala man tka gi liko brod, ako ra gi correct ang argument re: Abalos and Lozada

NIINGON C LOZADA SA SENADO nga wa na cya nagpakita sa wack2x after na death threat kno cya ni Abalos. SA SENADO NA HA...sworn to tell the truth...so there u go...

Maybe I missed his statement telling the senate "wala na cya nagpakita sa wack2x after the death threat". I will research on that, if you happen to know the link, care to post it here bro?

[omar50071]

Mao pod lage sad bossing .... indeed LOZADA is playing it right because he was taught well . Though again dili tani ma prove because wala ta didto and we dont have any insiders , pero klaro man kaayo na siya usa lang ka puppet and the perfect candidate for the issue .

Wala pa jud nako ma klaro bro na cya puppet ni Lacson, and they are only making this up. From where I am standing, daghan kaayo palpak ang mga tawo sa administration.

The problem is , ni gawas na man pod si ENRILE , what he said needs to be taken also to acocunt and that doesnt mean na kung bakakon si LOZADA ug LACSON kay bakakon pod si ENRILE . Karon kay tuohan man nato si LOZADA kay consistent lage , does that statement justify na dili pod nato tuohan si ENRILE ? Karon kung ibutang ta lang na in respect for both gentlemen kay puro tinuod gipangsulti , unsay rason na ngano mas dapig man ta ni LOZADA na he was speaking of more TRUTH in GOOD FAITH ?

Let Enrile validate his speculations, para ato ma weigh things over which one of them is lying or is speaking the truth.

Lastly bro ... lisod man sad mo sulti ka na we should not lambast LOZADA right away with accusations kay kana diay gi buhat niya kang PGMA di ba sobra pa man na sa LAMBAST ? Without even any PROBABLE CAUSE linking directly to her.

When someone is accusing the president of corruption, we should not be lawyering for the president or take sides immediately, we should weigh things over or research and ask questions, before we decide which camp is telling the truth. That is being objective.

[mj]

why do we need Lozada here when we people know the issue. unsa man ni showcase? samok na kaau unya resgo pud sa security ni Lozada. Ang televised hearing was enough for us taga visayas to know. Its a long road for them and for us....

[thanix_ph]

magda lang siyag dugang samok ug trapik sa cebu...

[giddyboy]

Bro, while Lozada was in Hongkong, he was using credit cards to purchase the things that he needs, ang iya unta tuyo ato na money is to pay for his expenses para sa iyaha credit cards. mao wala pa niya gi gamit. If things would have turned out what he expects, which is to run away from the senate, he would have used it to pay his credit cards. But sad to say everything turned upside down for him. He may be preoccupied with the things happening around him mao 12 days after he returned pa niya na uli ang money.

the catch here is HE ASKED FOR THE MONEY, and not that he was bribed...he made it appear upon returning that Malacañang had given him the money to keep him quiet...mao nang 12 days after pa nya giuli to make it appear he was given money to keep him quiet...

(2) i believe it as a fact: that the money was given to Lozada’s brother late afternoon of Feb. 4, yet, as early as noontime of Feb. 4, Lozada’s family was already in La Salle Green Hills. Then he arrived Feb. 5. Lacson was at the airport Feb. 5.

So whats the catch?

the catch? everything seemed planned all along. Lozada did not use the money but kept it. the money was given to Lozada’s brother late afternoon of Feb. 4, yet, as early as noontime of Feb. 4, Lozada’s family was already in La Salle Green Hills. sa ato pa, pagbuntag pa tua na ang pamilya ni J.Lo sa la salle nga pgkahapon pa man gihatag ang money...unsa naay powers ni madam auring?

I think it was public knowledge when will Lozada arrive.
What's wrong with fetching Lozada at the airport together with the Senate Seargent at Arms? Please dont give me the speculation that lacson was there to snatch Lozada from the police and the senate seargent at arms.

kung mo dakop ka ug manok na idlas, dili dayon itsahan sa bukag, you should buiild trust para dili ma idlas. You should let him think at his own pace, i think mao ni gibuhat ni Lacson.

So what's wrong with that, he had been meeting with other administration personalities also.

Wala man tka gi liko brod, ako ra gi correct ang argument re: Abalos and Lozada

what's wrong with Lacson being at the airport? unsa may business ni Lacson pagkuha niya sa airport in the first place beh? wa ka gaduda ana? of all people c Lacson gyud? naa diay ni Lacson ang arrest warrant? even Lacson admitted he was there for that purpose. besides, naa man senate sgt at arms na did2...

Maybe I missed his statement telling the senate "wala na cya nagpakita sa wack2x after the death threat". I will research on that, if you happen to know the link, care to post it here bro?

sori bro, sa kadaghan news clippings, articles and links, kapoy na ug ukay balik...anyway, just review the Harapan youtube pre. u will know what i mean. J.Lo even admitted that part.

[omar50071]

the catch here is HE ASKED FOR THE MONEY, and not that he was bribed...he made it appear upon returning that Malacañang had given him the money to keep him quiet...mao nang 12 days after pa nya giuli to make it appear he was given money to keep him quiet...

We can also believe that he cant shoulder all his expences personally in his travel to hongkong, when people in malacanang who are running away with millions of dollars would only benefit from his exile that is maybe why he asked for the money. And when he returned home, everything did not go according to plan so he abandoned ship and made the right decision. Mao nang 12 days after pa nya giuli ang money coz maybe he was pre-occupied during that time because of the turn of events.

If he would have returned the money on the same day he appeared in the senate, you would still think the same right?

the catch? everything seemed planned all along. Lozada did not use the money but kept it. the money was given to Lozada’s brother late afternoon of Feb. 4, yet, as early as noontime of Feb. 4, Lozada’s family was already in La Salle Green Hills. sa ato pa, pagbuntag pa tua na ang pamilya ni J.Lo sa la salle nga pgkahapon pa man gihatag ang money...unsa naay powers ni madam auring?

There has been threat to his life and his family, whats wrong with securing your family first. Whats with the time line man diay, wala kaayo ko kasabot. Please enlighten me.

what's wrong with Lacson being at the airport? unsa may business ni Lacson pagkuha niya sa airport in the first place beh? wa ka gaduda ana? of all people c Lacson gyud? naa ni Lacson ang arrest warrant? Lacson admitted he was there for that purpose. for what purpose? besides, naa man senate sgt at arms na did2...

He knew about Lozada coming back, he want to secure him together with the senate sgt at arms, maybe he wanted to assure him of his safety or maybe to persuade him to come clean and tell the truth, kay it was uncertain pa man during that time na mo sulti ba jud si Lozada sa tinuod.

sori bro, sa kadaghan news clippings, articles and links, kapoy na ug ukay balik...anyway, just review the Harapan youtube pre. u will know what i mean. J.Lo even admitted that part.

Ok thanks anyway.....I'll dig on that.

[giddyboy]

We can also believe that he cant shoulder all his expences personally in his travel to hongkong, when people in malacanang who are running away with millions of dollars would only benefit from his exile that is maybe why he asked for the money. And when he returned home, everything did not go according to plan so he abandoned ship and made the right decision. Mao nang 12 days after pa nya giuli ang money coz maybe he was pre-occupied during that time because of the turn of events.

omg! he cant shoulder his HK expense personally? if we do the math, airfare is around 20k, plus accomodation ibutang ta ug 50k/day. sus, chicken ra kau ni niya. mkagasto man gani 400k membership sa wack2x...para niya lang di cya gusto mogasto personally mao nang nangayo cya...pero saun giusab man niya ang storya...

If he would have returned the money on the same day he appeared in the senate, you would still think the same right?

no, my doubt on that matter could have changed na...

There has been threat to his life and his family, whats wrong with securing your family first. Whats with the time line man diay, wala kaayo ko kasabot. Please enlighten me.

hehe. FYI, as early as Jan. 6 pa, J.Lo and his wife seek sanctuary for their children at de La Salle. plano na gyud nila muad2 sa de La salle, and not just a coincidence as others would put it.

ok, gihatag ang kwarta hapon na sa Feb. 4. Gidawat sa igsoon ni J.Lo hapon sab. pero ngano buntag pa, tua na man iya pamilya (including igsoon) sa de La salle? so kabalo na gyud diay cla daan nga tagaan cla ug wawarts ad2 sa La salle...so mao ni mkapatay sa allegation ni J.Lo nga gihatag ang kwarta para mahilom cya...

He knew about Lozada coming back, he want to secure him together with the senate sgt at arms, maybe he wanted to assure him of his safety or maybe to persuade him to come clean and tell the truth, kay it was uncertain pa man during that time na mo sulti ba jud si Lozada sa tinuod.

ang pangutana lagi, what business muad2 cya sa airport nga naa na man sgt at arms? "maybe he wanted to assure his safety'? lagpas ra kau na for a senator...or basin gatuo pa cya pulis pa cya..