hmmn funny ra kay basehan ninyo usahay sa dangerous is mga prominent fighting styles sa UFC or other MMA sport circles like K1,IFL etc...especially the fighter styles of recent years...UFC is a sport which means covered na xa within a set of rules making most dangerous/lethal moves invalid...dili gani allowed small joint manipulations like grab and break sa usa ka digit sa finger nor eye gouge...in-short, without disrespect to MMA fighters/players, UFC/IFL rulings nowadays are very limiting to the fighter's art nga dili nimo makita ang ilang full potential sa ilang fighting style...
and another thing...kana bang mu-ingon nga wala'y labot ang pusil sa martial art... murag wa man mo kasabot unsa ang meaning sa "martial" uy... "pertaining to war" bitaw na, from root word mars, roman god of war...so dapat ANYTHING goes...ngano diay sa gubat, ilabay diay nimo ang imong pusil kay kabalo ka ug some deadly martial arts? hehehe krav maga is one art that incorporates gun handling with hand-to-hand combat btw...or maybe inyo ra gi mean nga hand-to-hand fighting ra...
IMO wala'y lamang wala sad lupig if in terms of technique and basehan...i mean boxing has their punches, arnis have their sticks and joint manipulations, jiujitsu has their locks and chokes, ninjutsu and kungfu have their dim-makh or pressure points, and joint manipulations and throws too come to that, same as aikido, aikijutsu and judo...karate, muay thai and yaw-yan have their devastating strikes and hard body training, taekwondo, as well as kungfu, is prized for reaction and striking speed...and all the other martial arts have their special points too...it will all boil down to experience, presence of mind, and luck if mag brawl na tanan nga practicioners of aforementioned martial arts in a specific area. but if say pareha ra ilang experience in terms of number of ACTUAL fights not official tournaments or sparring...and pareha sila blackbelt or equivalent sa ilang art, "presence of mind" and "luck" ra ang mu-determine sa outcome...also determining facter sad diay ang location...kay naay uban nga arts nga mas applicable in some locations while others are not so effective...
...hmmn unsa pa...ahh.. JKD...clarify ra ko...Jeet Kune Do is not a martial art..it is a philosophy to combine/distill all the other martial arts, more like the foundations for today's MMA...which can be summed in one line kung si Bruce Lee pa.."take what works and use it"...an example would be: ngano man mu-limit ka sa imong skill sa jiujitsu locks and chokes or if you yourslef know that kuyaw sad ang striking power sa yaw yan and muay thai?...you don't limit yourself to one style, one discipline...instead apply what you know that works in which situation...so if anybody tells you that what he is demonstrating is what is "exactly" taught in a certain JKD school...even if he is a JKD instructor himself...then he is waaaaaay off from what Bruce Lee was teaching..lol...to re-quote the phrase posted at the start of this thread: "your truth is not my truth, my truth is not yours"...
hehehe senxa bored ra ko sa balay one afternoon...
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Well, yes it does come down to "one's own skills" and background in a fight, but that still does not mean that their is not a difference on styles or "how complete they are"....
Originally Posted by viperiusx
I think its about finding the style that right for you and suits you, one that has a good instructor and learns you not to think in "forms" or "empty patterns" as many styles do....
I think it should teach you how to 'react', 'adapt' and 'overcome' an attacker....
Ninjutsu is by many called the most complete style in the world, since it has everything from how to survive in the wild, stealth, healing and poison, to more common things like empty hand, kyusho (not Dim-mak, thats Chinese), Metsubishi, the gun and suchs....But then again it is one of the few styles, i would call a battlefield art, if you look at the history and Ryus you will understand why (not many styles has a history as many year back as Ninjutsu)....
I think you also describe Arnis very simple, since there is many Arnis systems, i know we do it different within Villasin Balintawak then we do when we train the Dacayana System, so i would say that Arnis is about a little more then just sticks and joint manipulations....
But i think you are right about this one: "your truth is not my truth, my truth is not yours"
I think with time everybody within a good system (and with a good teacher), starts making their "own style" within the style and what kind of system or teacher that speaks to one person, might not be right for the next person....
PS. I dont think anyone is telling the Army Forces or Special Forces, not to use their guns, but they could come in a situation where they are not able to use it, then you are in deep trouble if you dont have some back-up....But maybe you know better and should tell all the Special Forces around the world, that they would never need Martial Arts....With some of the things you say i am wondering, have you ever tried a "real" Martial Arts?
Here is by the way a video clip from the Philippines of Martial Arts being used against the gun and i know of several other cases from Ninjutsu (not that i would recommed trying it).
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@sir jensen.. sorry didn't mean to generalize as if arnis is simply about sticks and joints...my bad...i know it also uses one handed and two handed styles...bladed weapons and empty hands, and is one of the more dangerous arts i've seen applied on the streets...as a martial arts student and a patriot i actually respect the art very much...i know it has a lot of styles and even different methods for different types of the weapons used...like Tapado, Balintawak, Lastico etc...but i was picturing a scenario wherein the students of different arts would be meeting on a regular day...we don't normally bring a dagger or sword with us everyday right? especially with recent sudden police checkpoints going on,hehehe
...the most legal thing we could carry would be a cane or stick and our empty hands...
--and yeah i would agree that if in terms of field-testing the various martial arts in a real war, ninjutsu would be an all around win since it has survival and medical techs too (and i would use them too) that has been refined through countless battles...but how about in a single brawl against other martial artists and in a location (if it could exist) where the fighters don't have any environmental advantage over another? hmmnn even i would want to see that lol...
much tnx for reading my two cents... ^_^
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Arnis is not only weapons, i agree if it where you comment about: "we don't normally bring a dagger or sword with us everyday right?" Would have been correct....But its not, Arnis has empty hand to.... Originally Posted by viperiusx
@sir jensen.. sorry didn't mean to generalize as if arnis is simply about sticks and joints...my bad...i know it also uses one handed and two handed styles...bladed weapons and empty hands, and is one of the more dangerous arts i've seen applied on the streets...as a martial arts student and a patriot i actually respect the art very much...i know it has a lot of styles and even different methods for different types of the weapons used...like Tapado, Balintawak, Lastico etc...but i was picturing a scenario wherein the students of different arts would be meeting on a regular day...we don't normally bring a dagger or sword with us everyday right? especially with recent sudden police checkpoints going on,hehehe...the most legal thing we could carry would be a cane or stick and our empty hands...
--and yeah i would agree that if in terms of field-testing the various martial arts in a real war, ninjutsu would be an all around win since it has survival and medical techs too (and i would use them too) that has been refined through countless battles...but how about in a single brawl against other martial artists and in a location (if it could exist) where the fighters don't have any environmental advantage over another? hmmnn even i would want to see that lol...
much tnx for reading my two cents... ^_^
Regarding Ninjutsu, Ninjutsu is made to be used against other Martial Artist......But just not as a sport with rules and suchs....There has been To-shindo (Ninjutsu) guys competing in UFC with a great deal of succes (even that Ninjutsu is not meant for Sport, it can still be used)....
But why dont you come and train with me, maybe it will open your eyes and its free if you like...?
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Arnis is not only weapons, i agree if it where with your comment about: "we don't normally bring a dagger or sword with us everyday right?" Would have been correct....But its not, Arnis has empty hand to.... Originally Posted by viperiusx
@sir jensen.. sorry didn't mean to generalize as if arnis is simply about sticks and joints...my bad...i know it also uses one handed and two handed styles...bladed weapons and empty hands, and is one of the more dangerous arts i've seen applied on the streets...as a martial arts student and a patriot i actually respect the art very much...i know it has a lot of styles and even different methods for different types of the weapons used...like Tapado, Balintawak, Lastico etc...but i was picturing a scenario wherein the students of different arts would be meeting on a regular day...we don't normally bring a dagger or sword with us everyday right? especially with recent sudden police checkpoints going on,hehehe...the most legal thing we could carry would be a cane or stick and our empty hands...
--and yeah i would agree that if in terms of field-testing the various martial arts in a real war, ninjutsu would be an all around win since it has survival and medical techs too (and i would use them too) that has been refined through countless battles...but how about in a single brawl against other martial artists and in a location (if it could exist) where the fighters don't have any environmental advantage over another? hmmnn even i would want to see that lol...
much tnx for reading my two cents... ^_^
Regarding Ninjutsu, Ninjutsu is made to be used against other Martial Artist......But just not as a sport with rules and suchs....There has been To-shindo (Ninjutsu) guys competing in UFC with a great deal of succes (even that Ninjutsu is not meant for Sport, it can still be used)....
But why dont you come and train with me, maybe it will open your eyes and its free if you like...?
Sincerly yours,
Jan Jensen
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www.fma-arnis.dk...
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yawyan..^^
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Yaw-Yan is a Martial Sports, not really a Martial Arts... Originally Posted by spoken
Most Martial Sports create "bad habits" on the street and is by most Martial Artist not considered to be anything else then Sport and meant for the ring...
This is also why, we dont compete much within most "street wise" styles....
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hmmn...would like to take the offer..but schedule right now is so busy...@_@
yep most martial sports do tend to create bad habits...though i think it also lies with the coach/teacher's methods...and also the player's mentality/outlook...
ahhh...btw...anybody here knows the directions/whereabouts of the japanese surplus shop in talamban i've been hearing much about? the one that sells 2nd hand kendo gear and shinais? tnx
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Thats a shame, maybe when you got more time....I think you will like the training, we use the elements a lot and in general have a nice all-round system..... Originally Posted by viperiusx
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DRUNKEN MASTER lagi ang most dangerous.
Unya training ka gamay ug Snake in the Eagle Shadow unya kahuman makat-on dayon ka ug BALINTAWAK
ana kay Bali naman imo Hawak. bwahahaha.
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