MERGED: CPP-NPA-NDF Discussions (Issues, Updates, etc.)

[giddyboy]

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true. an idea becomes a recourse for people who has lost faith in the current system because of the innumerable injustices the system inflicts upon certain segments of the population.

hahaha. and they think communism is the answer...ok fine whatever. dili nlng ko makiglalis ana. u better ask those ex-NPA's what they can say about that matter.
asa man ka mangita ug system nga walay some sort of injustice gud. if u say inumerable, did it reach intolerable levels, or to the point of international criticism? well, u could say the extra-judicial killings of journalists and activists caught the world's attention. that's a sad fact that we must deal with, especially by our gov't.

that's just it. what the president will never mention, and will never include in her political bulletins, are the actual facts behind the supposedly-strengthening peso. which sector of the economy is expanding, and who is benefiting from this? which sector is contracting and how many people are affected? removing the factor of the weakening dollar, how much really has the peso strengthened? the entrance of massive foreign capital can affect the size of the economy; with the impeding US recession, are there guarantees that the investment will stay put, or will there be somewhat a repeat of the 1997 economic crisis with capital abruptly leaving the country? is the growth, as well as the strengthening of the peso, sustainable?

well, do we have to anchor our opinions to political bulletins only? besides, the president doesn't need to provide detailed litanies of the whole economic situation day by day...and to add, we have every resources available to research for facts, and that includes the internet...

and mind u, i believe they are doing their best. but maybe not good enough for some.

when you have a president who is adamant that the questions of her political legitimacy is offset by supposed achievements, however questionable these are too, it is not news that she can and will try to portray her administration as doing "considerable progress", a line that has been swallowed, hook, line and sinker by not a few here.

what can u do if u are in her shoes? that is assuming the questions of her political legitimacy is offset by supposed achievements...and saying that people have been swallowing, hook, line and sinker, well good for them. that is their opinion and u can not say u r a better thinker than them...

people fear deviancy as if it's always bad, thinking that the established order is always good. it is simply pathetic.

maybe not pathetic to some...especially if radical or negative leaders na ang gi-istoryahan.

to grab power, of course. but Maoism isn't exactly the only political ideology that advocates a military solution to a political problem. preservation of the current status quo's ideology of "democracy" (their own usage) also requires them/it to use an armed approach.

of course. to grab power and to maintain the current status quo...and there's no need to discuss that further.

there are very distinct and significant differences between how the NPA and the AFP operates, as armed components and as political units of the revolutionary government and the state, respectively; a fact that AFP strategists themselves have admitted.

yup. simply put, NPA operates as a guerilla, the AFP as counter-guerilla.

it's strange that you speak of the supposedly "representative democracy" that we have now, thinking that the kind of democracy we have really is mere "electoral legitimization" of entrenched political dynasties who do not readily represent the interest of the people. again, i need not tell you how elections work and who and what kind of people have the best chance of being elected.

Let's refresh the term. "Representative democracy" involves the selection of government officials by the people being represented. The most common mechanisms involve election of the candidate with a majority or a plurality of the votes.

while the representatives are elected by the people to act in their interest, they retain the freedom to exercise their own judgment as how best to do so.

so when you talk about how elections work and who and what kind of people have the best chance of being elected here sa Pinas, well, all i can say is this, it is not perfect...and we need to improve it more.

that is why "cha-cha" is often discussed and debated whether to changes our form of government to "parliamentary democracy".

as for the NPA's brand of "democracy", well, who wants to stand up in their name and explain exactly how democracy is suppose to work, and how it actually works, inside the revolutionary government. the problem is, to we have the open mind to digest these ideas, or are we, as you have mentioned before , quick to impose labels to those things we have been trained to distrust?

what do u mean "open our minds and digest"? to the communist ideals? i already explained prior that i'm not in favor. do u need me to open up my mind more?

in a nutshell, here is the "democracy" the CPP-NPAs wanted: In a communist government, the community owns the major resources and means of production. The goal of such a system is to prevent any one person or group of people from becoming radically rich, while others are extremely poor. The system attempts to eliminate lower class by balancing the wealth between rich and poor, therefore giving everyone equal pay and ownership.

Too good to be true. Unfortunately, this results in an increased lower class.

In theory, everyone is equal in a communist government, however this is not true in many aspects. When only one person controls a communist government, it’s not far off from totalitarianism, as that one voice is the only one that really matters.

now in contrast, in a Democracy, free enterprising is permitted, and smiled upon. Here, free enterprising helps the economy to flourish. People can organize their own businesses and receive their own profits if it succeeds, or debts if it fails. In this system, the harder a person works, the more money they receive, allowing them to ‘make ends meet.’

In a democracy, however, every citizen has an equal say in government. Suffrage rights apply to men and women alike, regardless of race, past education, heritage, etc.

source: communism vs democracy by pipingdilat.

As Winston Churchill once said, "The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries. Generally, Democracy’s seem be more successful economically."

only because it is a valid example. obsolete? does it explain current social realities? if so, then it is not as obsolete as we think it is.
opportunism? true. read Machiavelli. or perhaps, taken out of context, this is another negative rendering of a situation that would otherwise be "taking advantage of a favorable circumstance" if it happened to a more favored entity?

obsolete? yes. what current social reality? the fact that the NPA is here as one of the promoters of the Communism idea to gain power and opportunity, now that is the current social reality.

Opportunism? Machiavelli? i know. (in fact, i have a good book about Machiavelli). Opportunism applies to both NPA and AFP. it is one of the most important military virtues.

it was you yourself who said that the CPP-NPA is "taking advantage" or being "opportunitsic" in latching on people's frustrations, even quoting Ramon Magsaysay himself. it is but natural that when these grievances and injustices are addressed, there would be no logical reason to support an armed struggle as an expression of a non-existent frustration. their mass base, the lifeblood of the underground movement would simply wither away.

then again, in the current socio-political and socio-economicl set up, i'd gladly have my d*ck cut off if could ever have something that would resemble equality and freedom from destitution in the truest sense of the word.

of course, Magsaysay na gud na, IDOL!... u r talking of an "ideal" scenario which is impossible to achieve.
and u can save ur d*ck from being cut off this time.

oh, i admire your sources of information for being so accurate, as well as complete.

oh, u don't know the NPA's "Oplan Bushfire"? how sad gud...

gez man, you really should study more on what Lenin meant by that, and how the former USSR and China aren't the only possible expressions of socialism and communism, as well as how the word "empire" is used.

haha. i know btaw, and i don't need to study more of Lenin. besides, i'm not a fan of socialism, communism, and marxism or whatever cocktail you can mix with them in the first place.
my only point is, wherever you go, there is always a form of "imperialism" going on, ma-Pinas, US, Russia, N. Korea or China ka. and there is always injustice, and marginalization...unless you are dreaming of Utopia.

[jet31]

nganong c arroyo man gyud inyong pakasad on... ngano dili man unahon ninyo inyong kaugalingon. cge mo pamasangil. pro unsa man inyo nabuhat.. mao ni ang mga tao nga iresponsabli.. gusto magcege lang og pamintas sa uban. mag tarong pa mo sa inyo pag eskwela..

[Rance]

Ohh its the youth now? what about those people behind all of this presentations? naa pa ba youth diha? mga tiguwang naman ta oi retire na ta hehe

[godsaint]

Pagkataas sa basahon..Gloria Resign!

[giddyboy]

Pagkataas sa basahon..Gloria Resign!

hehehe. maypa na imo pre, direct to the point, short phrase, ug mas klaro. but you need a very good reason or reasons for her to resign. nya knanglan klaro, short, ug direct to the point sab.

how about," Tama na, Sobra na!", "Gloria tuta ng Kano", or "Ibagsak ang Imperialismo"...pero lumang tugtugin na yan...

how about, "Business trip, maraming sipsip!", "Oil Price Hike or We will Strike!", "No permit, mag rally!", or, "Ibagsak ang Peso!"...now that's new & unique...hehe

[The_Child]

@gareb

i was referring to the socio-economic aspect of Marxism. Postmodernism's strength is on how it describes the development of society's socio-cultural axis.

postmodernism subsumes all these, not only the socio-cultural aspect but also the socio-economic aspect. The culture of television, has its economic underpinnings on those irritating Advertisements, and advertisements is a part of this television culture, a vicious circle, which is a part of the postmodern phenomenon.


@giddyboy

well, apathy and mediocrity in our society's youth is only a perception to those who want to generalize it as rampant. but it's not the case why wala ta mo asenso like other Asian nations. in fact, all society has some degree of apathy & mediocrity...

of course it is a perception. If it wasnt perception would i have made my statement?

Just because i perceive "there is apathy and mediocrity" does not necessarily connect that my motivation for perceiving it is"that I want to generalize that it is rampant."

well, it is in my opinion, that the is one of the sole reason ngano wala ta ni asenso. Mediocrity and apathy.
Look at education, how many people are taking up the noble studies, not merely for pay in the future but for knowledge sake?
Look at the curricula of many schools, most of it is geared towards marketing their students as if their objects.

Look at the sorry state of our bookstores, most of the bookstores with decent titles are only in Manila, what does this speak? There is no demand for good books, most if not many, just contend in reading a second-rate novel. Again, this is reflected in our bookstores. They sell what people want to buy.

and, also, i hope you wont miscontrue me that when i say apathy and mediocrity i solely refer to activism, in any of the three brands that you mention, as the solution to this because i dont think it is primarily the solution.

[giddyboy]

@giddyboy

well, apathy and mediocrity in our society's youth is only a perception to those who want to generalize it as rampant. but it's not the case why wala ta mo asenso like other Asian nations. in fact, all society has some degree of apathy & mediocrity...

of course it is a perception. If it wasnt perception would i have made my statement?

Just because i perceive "there is apathy and mediocrity" does not necessarily connect that my motivation for perceiving it is"that I want to generalize that it is rampant."

well, it is in my opinion, that the is one of the sole reason ngano wala ta ni asenso. Mediocrity and apathy.
Look at education, how many people are taking up the noble studies, not merely for pay in the future but for knowledge sake?
Look at the curricula of many schools, most of it is geared towards marketing their students as if their objects.

Look at the sorry state of our bookstores, most of the bookstores with decent titles are only in Manila, what does this speak? There is no demand for good books, most if not many, just contend in reading a second-rate novel. Again, this is reflected in our bookstores. They sell what people want to buy.

and, also, i hope you wont miscontrue me that when i say apathy and mediocrity i solely refer to activism, in any of the three brands that you mention, as the solution to this because i dont think it is primarily the solution.

ok, ok, i get what u mean now. What u mean is apathy and mediocrity are "one of the reasons" ngano wa ta mo asenso. ok now i think i can accept that statement.

but in what aspect pud nga "asenso" imo gipasabot? if im not mistaken, asenso sa KNOWLEDGE, di ba? and where does that supposed "knowledge" apply unta? di ba for this topic adto i-apply sa POLITICAL CHANGE? and di ba knowledge without action is nothing? now that is where political apathy & mediocrity comes into the picture...

and coz knowledge + action for political change, where does the youth come in? YOUTH ACTIVISM, of course.

and as i've mentioned earlier, this is regarding involvement of the youth in political change. sa population sa studentry as per 1970 survey:

3% are radicals or negative leaders, and they are insignificant in number.

12% are leaders who are intelligent enough but do not know what they want, but would be willing to be swayed, once their idealism is caught.

85% are ‘sheep’, the apathetic students, those who do not know what they want, who do not say what they want, but when added to a dynamic leader, will act accordingly, to achieve what is painted as ideal.”

this was way back 1970, & wala ta kabalo sa figures currently...the 12% leaders could have increased na nowadays, coz modern knowledge & sophistication is rampant na among the studentry. With these, they have become concerned w/ more than just petty problems. They have developed a keen awareness of society, environment, government, and human rights...

look, we are even discussing politics & current events in istorya.net right now when more than 10 yrs ago this kind of technology wasn't yet available.

so unsa may pasabot ani nga statistics? it means there is hope...and that is my opinion.

and regarding bookstores, yes, they sell what people want to buy. It's business. Law of supply and demand ra na.

college people buy college books. housewives buy cookbooks and home books, corporate people buy career enhancement books, etc...and bookstores don't have anything to do to reflect the degree of apathy and mediocrity. it's not the only source of knowledge u know. we have public libraries and the internet man pud which are free.

[The_Child]

we simply have to Care, in its most general sense.

after that, everything follows.



this was way back 1970, & wala ta kabalo sa figures currently...the 12% leaders could have increased na nowadays, coz modern knowledge & sophistication is rampant na among the studentry. With these, they have become concerned w/ more than just petty problems. They have developed a keen awareness of society, environment, government, and human rights...

yes. pero naa sad siyay disadvantage, kay tungod sa "democratization of knowledge and information" maglisod nata makahibalo kung unsa ba gayud ang kamatuoran, or kung na bay kamatuoran?

anyways, thats for another topic.

cheers!

[radiostar]

wala pamo nahuman giddyboy?

[Visual C#]

Struggle? Where are the AK-47's? Machetes?

Oh, online, activism.. no wonder most of the youth have fallen so far behind in child soldier education...

LAME.