RELIGION....(part 2)

[Gwynhuever]

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..there is no religion higher than the TRUTH...

[d_guy1024]

..there is no religion higher than the TRUTH...

And the TRUTH will set you free.

[Von!-x]

I wonder.....

Tell us...
Is there salvation for non-catholics, even if they claim to be christians?
Is there salvation for a devote Catholic who, at the last days of his life joined other religious groups?
How can history justify the Catholic inquisition?

[mannyamador]

Is there salvation for non-catholics, even if they claim to be christians?
Is there salvation for a devote Catholic who, at the last days of his life joined other religious groups?

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church
http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/p123a9p3.htm

842 The Church's bond with non-Christian religions is in the first place the common origin and end of the human race:

All nations form but one community. This is so because all stem from the one stock which God created to people the
entire earth, and also because all share a common destiny, namely God. His providence, evident goodness, and saving
designs extend to all against the day when the elect are gathered together in the holy city. . .

843 The Catholic Church recognizes in other religions that search, among shadows and images, for the God who is
unknown yet near since he gives life and breath and all things and wants all men to be saved. Thus, the Church
considers all goodness and truth found in these religions as "a preparation for the Gospel and given by him who
enlightens all men that they may at length have life."

And also:

"Outside the Church there is no salvation"

846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively,
it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for
salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church.
He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity
of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing
that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain
in it.

847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless
seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the
dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.

ow can history justify the Catholic inquisition?

First, what do you KNOW about the so-called "Catholic Inquisition"? There are many FALSE stories about it, especially regarding its severity. Also, which one? There were three "inquisitions" attributed to catholics. There were also the Protestant Inquisitions, where thousands of Catholics were butchered.

After that is settled, the answer, of course, is simple. One doesn't have to justify sin. And the sins of some Catholics have no breaing on the validity of the Church's teachings. All religions have sinners. That doesn't mean the teachings are necessarily wrong. In the case of the Catholic Church, the inqusitions were NOT part of Church doctrine.

[Freeza]

I wonder.....

Tell us...
Is there salvation for non-catholics, even if they claim to be christians?
Is there salvation for a devote Catholic who, at the last days of his life joined other religious groups?
How can history justify the Catholic inquisition?

i hope everyone does have to people who Â*espouse Â*freedom, liberty ,respect on other people's faith, like the 10 commandements,..etc good deeds ,things mohahahha


atleast catholic inquisition had ended long time ago Â*althought no one can justify it just look at the present time Â*western civilization cant possibly have started without the doctrines of christ and its adjusting Â*thru time so it wont Â*go in conflict with science and human rights. unlike Â*other religions which until now havent adjusted thru time and cant possibly Â* implement Â*religious doctrines
without in conflict Â*with science and universal world standard for human rights, freedom and liberty.

[dacs]

How can history justify the Catholic inquisition?

A rehash?

Here are several articles you could spend a little time reading. At the very least, a number of them provide a list of reference materials.

Library Documents on the Inquisition
to be found at the document library of the Eternal Word Television Network

[Cardinal Bunal]

In the case of the Catholic Church, the inqusitions were NOT part of Church doctrine.

But surely most of those events were attributed to the seal of bulla, and most certainly EX CATHEDRA was involved although the execution was not officially a doctrine.

[mannyamador]

But surely most of those events were attributed to the seal of bulla, and most certainly EX CATHEDRA was involved lthough the execution was not officially a doctrine.

WRONG. Papal bulls are NOT EX CATHEDRA statements. If you even bothered to read the Catechism, you will see that an ex cathedra statement is explicitly stated as such and must be a statement on doctrine and morals. The bulls on the inquisitions, were not ex cathedra nor doctrinal or moral in nature.

In other words, you are misrepresenting Catholic doctrine AGAIN. You are LYING again.

The Protestant inquisitions, on the other hand, cannot make such a distinction. Protestant "doctrines" are mainly the mere personal interpretations of scripture by pastors. These murderous protestant inquisitions, therefore, were a reflection of their erroneous doctrines.

[makusama]

to clarify things....

catholics = christians
protestants (worshipping christ) = christians

It is so selfish and degrading to categorize either of the 2 as non-christians.

I am a Roman Catholic and I have friends who are protestants who once asked me if I was a Christian. Of course I said "Yes!" and then they asked me where I go to worship my God? Then I said sometimes I go to Redemtorist sometimes sa Sacred Heart. What saddened me was that they replied "Aw... Dili diay ka Christain! Catoliko diay ka?!". Although wala man ko gadumot sa ila gi sulti nako but I feel sad that their pastors or whoever taught them so was really teaching them hate and lies.

We Roman Catholics are also sometimes taught this way (but not all). I heard some Catholics say "Ay! kana siya? Protestante mana! dili mana mu tu-o og ginoo!"

I hope on both side Catholics and Protestants would try to solve/ teach correctly each time we hear these lies comming out from peoples mouths..


TThnx

[makusama]

Let us stop saying "ay bati mana inyoha amo moy nindot!"

and start saying

"kinsa man atong pakan-on karong adlawa? kinsa man atong tabangan karong adlawa? unsa pa kahay paagi na mapalipay nato ang ginoo karong dalawa?"