The Pedo's Cartographic Sketch who raped a 6 yr. old girl

[tokidoki]

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This time I'm confident that these are the real suspects. Tiaw mo na sweto gyud kaayo ni sila. They have the legal backing and knowledge to weasel out of this situation. It almost seems that they were expecting this to happen to them. -_-

[tokidoki]

“If you were the owner of the vehicle and you are the suspect, would you alter the plate number to incriminate yourself?” asked Paredes.

This is an idiotic question from the judge and by asking it he just answered his own question!

They altered it so they WON'T be incriminated! Duh! Did it occur to him that to change the the plate number is to mislead in the first place?

And yet iya logic is that gi ilisan ang plate para ang police mo mislead niya?!

[cliff_drew]

This is an idiotic question from the judge and by asking it he just answered his own question!

They altered it so they WON'T be incriminated! Duh! Did it occur to him that to change the the plate number is to mislead in the first place?

And yet iya logic is that gi ilisan ang plate para ang police mo mislead niya?!

Hehehe, you're barking on the wrong tree bro. The applied search warrant was supposed to confiscate the car with plate number "LHJ 382" as per witnesses. The car's original plate number was "LMJ 382" and it was reportedly scratched/tampered by the CIDG so that the 'M' will become 'H' to look like "LHJ" so that they can pinpoint the suspect. Yet the plate is non-existent on LTRFB. The judge was being misled by the CIDG since he was forced to believe that the plate number is correct upon the application of search warrant. That's why the judge ask that question.

[Vince Russo]

This time I'm confident that these are the real suspects. Tiaw mo na sweto gyud kaayo ni sila. They have the legal backing and knowledge to weasel out of this situation. It almost seems that they were expecting this to happen to them. -_-

Tokidoki: I'm curious about your "confidence that these are the real suspects"... As was the case in the first set of suspects being arrested, the police were relying solely on info and identification by some kids. ZERO evidence to connect them to the crime, and TONS of evidence that showed they COULDN'T have done it. And yet, the police were "so sure" that they had the right suspects. Now, the police have thrown away all of the the suspect info from the first case (remember the pimp? and eyewitnesses who said they drove lic # ...679?). Now the police have developed info from a whole new set of witnesses to try shape the story to connect the Brit and his fiance. The police are claiming to have a bunch of new witnesses. Gee, where did they come from? Where were they so many weeks ago when this horrible incident just occured? Where is the real physical evidence in this case?

What do you know about this case that the rest of us don't know?

[cliff_drew]

Capitol: nothing to do with Briton’s arrest

By Elias O. Baquero, Jovy T. Gerodias and Rizel S. Adlawan

Thursday, April 7, 2011

CAPITOL said it did not request authorities in the United Kingdom (UK) to arrest British national Ian Charles Griffiths.

Such a request can only be made by the National Government through the President of the Philippines to the British Government, said Capitol spokesman Rory Jon Sepulveda.

The Sun, a tabloid in the UK, reported that Griffiths was arrested by homicide police in his property in Southampton last Friday, in relation to the kidnapping and killing of six-year-old Ellah Joy Pique.

The London Evening Standard reported yesterday that Griffiths “was arrested by Metropolitan Police Service detectives under an 1861 law that allows a Briton accused of murder or manslaughter abroad to be tried” in the UK. It said Griffiths was “freed on bail pending further inquiries.”

Insinuation

Griffiths and his Ce-buana girlfriend Bella Ruby Santos are suspects in the kidnapping and killing of Ellah Joy.

Sepulveda said Santos’s insinuation that Cebu Gov. Gwendolyn Garcia made a government-to-government request to have Griffiths arrested brings “great pride” to the governor.

"Garbo ra pud kaayo kay it is as if the governor is the President of the Republic. Di pa pud tawn presidente ang gobernador, pero pila'y pad. (It brings great pride for us because it's like saying the governor is the President of the Philippines. But you'll never know)," he told reporters.

Task Force Ellah Joy spokesperson Senior Supt. Patrocinio Comendador Jr. said they were unaware Griffiths was arrested in the UK. He said he only learned about it from the media.

No warrant

Comendador, also acting director of the Cebu Provincial Police Office (CPPO), said he still has to receive word from the Philippine Center on Transnational Crime (PCTC), one of the members of the task force, on Griffiths’s UK arrest.

But there is no warrant for Griffiths’s arrest yet and a case against him and Santos has yet to be filed in court.

The task force filed a complaint of kidnapping with homicide against the Briton and his Filipina girlfriend with the Cebu Provincial Prosecutor’s Office, which is still investigating the case to determine if there is probable cause for the filing of charges in court.

Santos had denied any involvement in the crime. Griffiths left Cebu on Feb. 27 and never came back, based on immigration records.

Crame

Comendador said the task force submitted reports to their higher headquarters in Camp Crame, which has links with international law enforcement agencies.

If Griffiths’s arrest was true, Comendador said, it will help the local police in tracing the whereabouts of the suspect in the UK. But he declined to comment how it would affect the case against the Briton.

The Bureau of Immigration (BI), on the other hand, has not received a hold departure order on either Santos or Griffiths.

Alien Control Officer Casimiro Madarang III said his office is also unaware that Griffiths had been arrested in London.

Investigators

Meanwhile, the National Police Commission (Napolcom) 7 urged the CPPO to identify the private investigators allegedly hired by Santos to harass witnesses in Minglanilla and file charges against them.

The Napolcom was alarmed by reports that private investigators used the names of the Napolcom and the Commission on Human Rights to harass witnesses in the case.

Lawyer Zandro Ronnie Oriol, Napolcom spokesperson, said upon verification at the commission’s central office and in the regional office, “the alleged private investigators who introduced themselves as Napolcom personnel are not, in any capacity, connected with the Napolcom.”

“The Napolcom fully supports the PNP in seeking justice for the Pique family,” Oriol said.

Comendador, in a separate interview, said two of the three private investigators have been identified.

He said the CPPO is studying the possibility of filing charges of usurpation of authority against these private investigators.

According to the recent information that reached Comendador, the private investigators, who are reportedly former law enforcers, have gone back to Luzon last Tuesday night.

Capitol: nothing to do with Briton

[tokidoki]

Tokidoki: I'm curious about your "confidence that these are the real suspects"... As was the case in the first set of suspects being arrested, the police were relying solely on info and identification by some kids. ZERO evidence to connect them to the crime, and TONS of evidence that showed they COULDN'T have done it. And yet, the police were "so sure" that they had the right suspects. Now, the police have thrown away all of the the suspect info from the first case (remember the pimp? and eyewitnesses who said they drove lic # ...679?). Now the police have developed info from a whole new set of witnesses to try shape the story to connect the Brit and his fiance. The police are claiming to have a bunch of new witnesses. Gee, where did they come from? Where were they so many weeks ago when this horrible incident just occured? Where is the real physical evidence in this case?

What do you know about this case that the rest of us don't know?

You are mistaking my confidence with the confidence of the police (which was obviously done in haste and lead by a prejudiced crowd) in the first batch of suspects. If you've been following this thread you will at least have an idea that I was never a fan of the previous findings. So don't ask me "how" this is different because I never made the mistake of accusing rushing in to conclude. I wasn't wrong before so I have the luxury to take this stance now.

To answer your last question, I read. Apply deductive logic and anticipate for potential error.

[tokidoki]

Hehehe, you're barking on the wrong tree bro. The applied search warrant was supposed to confiscate the car with plate number "LHJ 382" as per witnesses. The car's original plate number was "LMJ 382" and it was reportedly scratched/tampered by the CIDG so that the 'M' will become 'H' to look like "LHJ" so that they can pinpoint the suspect. Yet the plate is non-existent on LTRFB. The judge was being misled by the CIDG since he was forced to believe that the plate number is correct upon the application of search warrant. That's why the judge ask that question.

Was this statement in bold proven? How did the judge know it was the cops (public servants just like him) and not the suspects who tampered it?

Did it ever occur to you or the judge that the plate number was scratched off BEFORE the crime? This coincides with the witnesses seeing it as LHJ 382. That means that the suspects' tactic worked! It DID mislead everyone including the cops. So therefore nasayop gyud ang na issue na warrant.

And yet ang reasoning sa judge why would they tamper it so they WOULD get caught? Sayop gyud ang reasoning bro maskin unsaon pa! It's like I'm changing my name from tokidoki to wokidoki so the mods CAN catch me. LOL

The only mistake I can see here is a technical one. You can't have a warrant for LHJ 382 if the actual car's plate number is LMJ 382. Therefore you're not allowed to search it.

[cliff_drew]

@tokidoki

I got your point bro. Tampering the plate before the murder to misled the authorities once they will be involved on the case. This could be true but from the testimony of the Barangay Captain, his councilor and a tanod (news article posted in page 41), no tampering was done during the search operation. Yet the Pajero was turned over to CIDG for custody. With this alleged tampered plate, now what could be your conclusion? Who's who?

Comendador’s denial that the police tampered with the license plate was dismissed by Inayagan Barangay Captain Nestor Tablate and some neighbors of the suspects—the Pajero owner and her foreign boyfriend.

Tablate, barangay councilor Edilberto Fat and tanod Arnel Segismar witnessed the police carry out the search warrant.

“Nakita gyod nako nga wa gyod na siyay kiniskisan, wa gyoy inusaban kay ako man gyod nang gitan-aw. Hayag man akong flashlight. LM gyod na di LH (I saw for myself that there were no scratches or changes made on the license plate. My flashlight was well-beamed. It was LM, not LH),” Tablate said.

He said he too wants the case solved to give justice to Ellah Joy but he wouldn’t want innocent people sent to jail on wrong suspicions.

https://www.istorya.net/forums/politi...rl-41.html#609

Vince has also made a point that with the new set of witnesses, it also corresponds new set of evidences. Are they dropping out previous evidences being gathered like the -679 plate number? As well as the caucasian man with tattoos, a filipina and a 3rd male suspect stated by previous witnesses, that these people were seen on the place where the body of ella was dumped?

[tokidoki]

With this alleged tampered plate, now what could be your conclusion? Who's who?

That's the question bro. is it? We take sides on who to believe. Let us not forget that the local barangay somewhat supports the suspects or maybe in cahoots. I believe their testimony is not fully objective.

https://www.istorya.net/forums/politi...rl-41.html#609

Vince has also made a point that with the new set of witnesses, it also corresponds new set of evidences. Are they dropping out previous evidences being gathered like the -679 plate number? As well as the caucasian man with tattoos, a filipina and a 3rd male suspect stated by previous witnesses, that these people were seen on the place where the body of ella was dumped?

In an earlier news post here about the briton being caught in the UK. There have been claims that the witnesses were harassed - allegedly by elements hired by the briton. I am not inclined to believe (yet) that the Briton is behind it but I am concerned about this operation. Perhaps a sign that they are close?

[tokidoki]

Another tell-tale sign that I currently believe that these are the correct suspects is the subtle fact that it appears these people are really prepared for this case. It was as if they were anticipating the possibility of being caught. Tiaw mo na na kuyaw pud ug abogado nila. Kamao gyud molusot! It seems even on the legal shores they were prepped for this.