Discussion on the Christ Jesus.

[botslob]

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sunggo? bro dili ni padaghanay og kauban dinhi.
Pagkuyog mo bisan kamo pa tanan wala koy pakialam.
This is forum, give yours and I will give mine.
Og dili ni pinugsanay dinhi kung mutuo ka or dili.
Discussion ra ni pero inyo style hapit tanan dinhi kay kung mapiit lahion dayon og sabot.

Let us be matured enough to handle discussions.

Peace!

bradix, tambag lang; kun imo tuyo diri sa forum kay bulabogon nimo ang post palihug undanga na. murag halos tanan post sa mga tao dire para nimo sayop. subaya ra gud na imong mga post ug icompare sa post nila geoseph forester, browny ug tripwire. sa sinuwatan ug tinubagan kay y quality ang imoha. kung sa produkto pa na, wa ma QA hehehe.

dayon nimong panaway nila nga mas labaw pa na sila nga nagto-on nimo. kita kaayo sa ilang mga post. palihug daw ug tan-aw balik para makakompara ka. unya kun lupigon na gani sa tinubagan kay ingnon dayon nimo wa sa bibliya. kun magresearch diay ka naa diay sa bibliya tanan? lupig paman nimo imong bossing manulti.

pagshur oi

[makusama]

@tagatisa
-Correct ka bro! Ang istatua representation rana...

@rcruman
Example of representation is the country's flag. Against the law man gani kung sunogon or binuangan. Ngano anha diay ka nag puyo sa flag? naa diay mga balay diha? pag chure RCRUMAN oi!

Mao rasad na ang Sto. Niño. DIli ang rebulto gi ampo-an kung dili ang iyang gi represent.

Karon mu ingon ka "wala mana ampo-i ang flag brad!" correct! wala ampo-i pero pwerte nato pagsalut! face the flag pata... unsa man gyud ning flag bah? Idolatry sad ni? Pagklaro oi!

A person or a country can have a lot of different representations. Naay national animal, national tree, national etc..... mu supak sad ka ani kay mu ingon ka "unsa man ang philippines bird? kahoy? buwak?" pinilosopo rana imo bai.

Same as Jesus mu ask ka "Magdungan diay ka bata og nazareno si Jesus" pwede kung gustuhon sa ginoo but no dili dungan bro.. representation rana sa points in his life. But mind you you can worship Jesus both as an Adult and as a Child because we Christians believe that he did not sin and he is God.. kung pwede palang e worhip siya mintras naa pa siya sa tiyan sa iya mama... ato e worship.

[NASYO]

ngano man mo oi?

nagpa-ulipon man mo sa relihiyon nga gidala sa mga katsila ug amerikano nga mao nagduot nato para maglisod ta karon. tan awa gud ninyo.

unya maglalis pa jud. pinoy vs pinoy..

hahay,

what we all need right now is respect and LOVE..

[aubrey_pearl]

ngano man mo oi?

nagpa-ulipon man mo sa relihiyon nga gidala sa mga katsila ug amerikano nga mao nagduot nato para maglisod ta karon. tan awa gud ninyo.

unya maglalis pa jud. pinoy vs pinoy..

hahay,

what we all need right now is respect and LOVE..

mao jud, forum raman ni oiz.

[NASYO]

why did Jesus didn't write?

answer:

nanundog pud na siya sa mga bantugan nga philospher sa GREECE sa una.
didto man niya nakuha ang ingon ani nga IDEA tali.
wa lang ko sure.

[Ironside]

Since this is a forum, we agree to disagree right without being disagreeable? I mean it is expected that not everyone will agree with our personal views in forums like these and it is okay right?

Disagreeing with someone does not automatically mean we are disrespecting right? The title of the thread is bound to elicit dissenting views. We are fully aware that we here in Istorya come from different spiritual spectrums and convictions. If you read my post above objectively without the color red in mind, you will see that it is a legitimate question seeking for a valid and legitimate answer.

If it offended anyone here....i apologize...please accept my apologies. Is it okay to differ a bit from your views and ask questions? [After all this is a forum for exchanging views right? It is okay with us if you dissent with our views, that is okay, that is your choice. We are friends. All is fine.]



To the threadstarter: My friend, if you feel that this post of mine is out of topic.....please you can PM me and I will be glad to delete all of it.




@ bcasabee

The images are just representations.

The Sto Nino is a representation of the true God that we worship....God is an infinite being, we cannot really represent him in any object in its entirety. Even our mind cannot picture God in its entirety because of his infiniteness.

So what is the purpose of these images if they are not the exact representation of the image of God?

Why make one in the first place when He did not command to make a representation of Him in His Holy Book--the Bible?


Why attempt to represent Him with images when all attempts to do so would only fizzle?

It seems that your statement above is conceding the fact that these images are distorted images of God......am I right? Correct me If I am wrong my friend.


One of the definitions of the word "distorted" in the dictionary is:


1. not truly or completely representing the facts or reality;



So are you practically saying my friend that these images of the Sto. Nino are distorted images of the real?

Corollarily, my next questions would then be:

Why distort the real? If these are not complete representations of Him isn't it a travesty to do so? Would it be okay with you if I misrepresent your person to other people? If not, why do this to God?






Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.

1Pe 1:8 whom having not seen you love. Though now you do not see Him, yet believing, you rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory,

just asking.

[bcasabee]

Dili sad bro uy.....pero para peace bro...nganta nalang ta ug Only Hope by Mandy Moore.....ok ra? Mas ganahan man gud ko ug Only Hope kay gwapa kaayo si Mandy Moore.

why did Jesus didn't write?

answer:

nanundog pud na siya sa mga bantugan nga philospher sa GREECE sa una.
didto man niya nakuha ang ingon ani nga IDEA tali.
wa lang ko sure.

[NASYO]

OK pud bro. padayon lang sa imong tumong bro.
nindot pud na imo.

[bcasabee]

I am very sad that you quoted only a portion of my explanation about the images. My explanation before actually looks distorted now on your quote.

But anyway, here is my humble answer to your question.

What is the purpose? Images serves some purpose.
In our day to day activities like at work, whenever we do presentations to our bosses, instead of giving them so much textual details, what we give them are images, such as charts and pictures which the boss can easily relate to. Why? because at one glance, the boss can easily appreciate the meaning of the report using only those images, therefore, you can easily sell, whatever proposal you want your boss to approve. So, an image can explain a thousand ideas/concepts, while an ocean of words can easily drown the reader. Am I correct?
Now apply this to the Sto Nino image. When the spaniards came to our shore, how do you think would the missionaries sell Christianity to the natives if you tell them to read the Bible(which contains a universe of words and ideas, not mentioning the language it is written) so that if they do, God will let rain come and they can plant corn in their fields. So there comes Sto Nino, an image where many natives can relate to. Why? because a child is honest, loving, caring, loyal, faithful, uncorrupted mind, etc....an image in which, at one glance, one can already have an idea, what Christianity is all about. So what is Christianity? honesty, loving, caring, loyal, faithfullness, uncorrupted soul etc etc, anything good and the belief of Jesus Christ. Am I right? What do you think will happen if a pagan will see a Black Nazarene carrying the cross and ask himself, what that statue is? and a roman catholic christian will gladly tell that its the representation of Christ who suffered for our sins. Is this not so easy to understand rather than drown the pagan with verses in the Bible?

It seems that your statement above is conceding the fact that these images are distorted images of God......
The image of the Sto Nino is the manifestation of what we know about Jesus Christ and not on the whole of him in which we cannot even imagine. And what we know about Jesus Christ is not distorted, so it will follow that the image of him is not distorted.
So what do we know about Jesus Christ?
1.) We know Christ as honest, loving, caring, faithful, loyal, uncorrupted, etc, etc.....So is the Sto Nino a distorted image? If you say that its distorted, then you might as well deny that Jesus Christ is not honest, loving, caring....
2.) We know Christ as the one who suffered for us....So is the Black Nazarene a distorted image? If you say that it is then you might as well deny that Jesus Christ died for us.

So what is the purpose of these images if they are not the exact representation of the image of God?
Why make one in the first place when He did not command to make a representation of Him in His Holy Book--the Bible?
Why attempt to represent Him with images when all attempts to do so would only fizzle?
It seems that your statement above is conceding the fact that these images are distorted images of God......am I right? Correct me If I am wrong my friend.
just asking.

[GOSPELofROCH]

OT:
Religion is really the Opium of the People,
Blinded people by Faith,
Create Faith to Hate,
and Hate to Dominate.

for me Sto. Niño and Nazaren or watever stupid idols is not Jesus cuz they their name didn't exist in the holy Scriptures. Its the RC Church created that one to keep their paganism practices. o_0