Filipino Dumog vs. BJJ Grappling

[chocomai]

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kyla_bacs, palami rana bai, poison, dumog double daggers, pressure point death touches, oracion, poisoned daggersss.

and dumog isnt a general word in this sense, the topic says FILIPINO DUMOG(referring to the martial art)


offtopic, kyla_bacs is almost a doctor, and he knows how hard(the strength effort) it actually is to remove the head from the body. bai, undang na sige comment diri. pag review na bai hehehehehe good luck

[Sinyalan]

Hah, I've been following this thread very much. Ang inyong opinons are correct. Let me say this, DUMOG at first hand is a fighting instincts... why instincts? For the past years - people been using this type of sef-defense not an art because if you say Martial Art, it is schooled, curricular and even patterned to suit your needs. Distinctions between sa duha was that BJJ is for sport - Dumog is for survival. Have you heard of any BJJ fought outside the ring? Now have you heard of people fought on or over the ground to survive? Kita na ko ug awai sa Mindanao that looks like wrestling but they never mentioned what was they're doing... later I found out that the the fighting style was Dumog. Dumog in general term is everything to survive... as mentioned ni Springfield. It only come in to terms that people inserted techniques, forms, names, strategies and even ranks. Generally, Dumog is not an art... it is a way to survive on opponents that the least more than 2.

if this is the case, then we all know this "dumog" based on our instincts alone ( instincts to survive) and an added knowledge of other martial arts such as BJJ would be supplementary and give a better advantage than the one with just plain dumog. (again, if its just this "all out...")

All forms of martial arts was at first figinting instincts... may it be bjj, juijitsu, kung fu, eskrima, taekwondo and all - it started from instincts... survival instincts. Now we see these forms of fighting to a specific way of survival - like everyone calls it MARTIAL ARTS. Dumog is also not a specific form Filipino Martial Arts. I would also riase my eyebrow if people would say - "oh, dumog is a martial art..." - if it's effective fighting art, don't say that it's martial art because it is not! But, there are proper ways to make the fighting style to a very dangerous and effective form... mao nga naay makit-an nato nga nagtudlo ug Dumog because we would like to know the essence of this exotic style of fighting. Mao nga ang mentality sa Dumog fighter is SURVIVAL. Dumog players trained to fight multiple attackers. Made no distinction between Harimaw Buno of the Luzon Province because they pattern their styles into animals form of fighting.

Kyla_bacs, Dumog and BJJ are totally different perspective ways of fighting. Although you get more play time (training) with BJJ because the are certain rules that you have to follow. Ang Dumog don't have rules... BJJ even wear protective gears aron dili mabuak and ulo, bukog and the rest. Have you ever seen a technique from BJJ - "crucifix" - Sa Dumog, there is certain/similar form of that technique but they tip you over facing the ground and pull your both arms until it snaps -- Tawag nako is Chicken Wings. hehehe. The process of eliminating an opponent in fractions of seconds is what dumogero's way.

[Sinyalan]

and dumog isnt a general word in this sense, the topic says FILIPINO DUMOG(referring to the martial art)

Tawag nako ug Filipino Dumog because to identify other similar fighting arts from different continent. There is Burmese Grappling, there is Thai Grappling, there is Russian Grappling... American Indian Grappling... and so on. make no mistake 'dong chocomai, it's not a form of martial art per se...

[kyla_bacs]

ok cge salamat bro. i tot it is really a FMA just like eskrima. lisod diay ni e promote coz its not schooled and no curriculum. i hope ma organize maayo iya structure og curriculum in d future aron ma teach na sa mga gusto mukat-on.

next year bai ha pohon, hapit nya sa gym nila chocomai.

i think sinyalan's input clarified things. thanks bros sinyalan and Springfield. bro chocs, normster, cheers to you.

PIT SENOR!!

[Sinyalan]

ok cge salamat bro. i tot it is really a FMA just like eskrima. lisod diay ni e promote coz its not schooled and no curriculum. i hope ma organize maayo iya structure og curriculum in d future aron ma teach na sa mga gusto mukat-on.

Dili man tingali ni lisod e promot, dugay lang but you'll never know - the next time you wake up from your sleep, it's popular and sought after fighting form. But there's a group of FMAers promoting Dumog... Pekiti Tirsia, Yaw-Yan, and other groups from Luzon area. In my case, I am trying to incorporate Dumog and Balintawak because Balintawak don't have something like ground fighting. We are aware of street fighting but what will will happen if you are on the ground with 2 or more opponents? The least we can do is get it and learn from it. Nonetheless, it will not be a curriculum but a supplemental type or form of awai.

[ed168]

for me bro, personally il go to dumog, base on my experience, mo evolve ang filipino martials, compared to foreign, unsa gani pamaagi kana jud sya dli pwde balihon or liko sa pikas.. pero sa fil martial arts mo adjust/evolve man sya i think gkan ni sa experiences sa mga trainor/student sa street fight..im not sure but il go to fil martial arts..

[Sinyalan]

Hello Eb168... salamat sa imong input. Make no mistake brod, FMA does not evolve itself it's the person/practitioner evolve not the other way around. But I like what you said about Dumog. People change things and people create things mao nga naay martial arts nga atong gitun-an. Ang FMAers adjust to any type of fighting arts and make it more effective. Take example nako, I've been doing Hwarangdo for 18 years but when I add my knowledge in FMA, I eveolve to a better practitioner because ang akong foundation is overtaken sa akong nahibaw-an sa Balintawak. If you leave the art alone... it won't work but if you add a person to the art, the person goes with it along and evovle. Amazing kaayo ang utok sa tawo kai it takes sincerity and commitment to get evolve by FMA. Dumog on the other hand came into view because daghan na kaayo nga grappling arts. I think it answered the call on how to deal in real life and death situation. Tagsa nato diri evolves... we understand and we grow older. I hope I made myself clear.

[ed168]

ur ryt bro ul learn a lot wen ur open to new ideas/techniques..