Everything about : RH Bill ( Reproductive Health Bill)

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idayon ni para maundangan ang paglobo sa population sa pinas..hapit na ta 100million sa kagamay sa atong nasod..di na ta masod..

[mannyamador]

All of the others here can see the evidence ourselves. I don't know why you can't.

Just because you choose to remian blind to the truth doesn't mean I have to "see" the same way you do.

There is no solid evidence with regards to pills or IUDs being abortifacient. Lots of doctors cannot confirm for sure that implantation failure is higher for those with pills compared to no pills. However, my own opinion is that it is not abortifacient in the absence of really comprehensive studies.

You're burying your head in the sand. The companies that make those pills themselves already admitted that they cause a hostile endometrium. For example, the function of the Pill is described by one as "the rendering of the endometrium unreceptive to implantation"(ABPI Datasheet Compendium, Datapharm Publications Ltd., 1996-1997, (Femodene) p1007).

These contraceptives do not always suppress prevent ovulation or prevent conception. That is clearly the case as there is evidence of "breakthrough pregnancy". But this pregnancy rate is far, far below the rate of breakthrough ovulation. This wide discrepancy is a clear indication that at least some (and probably a significant number) of the fertilized eggs -- newly-concieved life -- are lost due to abortifacient action. See the table below:

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Contraceptive    Rate of Ovulation    Breakthrough Pregnancy
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Combined Pill    up to 5%             0.1***
Progestin-only
   Pill          40-60%               0.3
IUD              Up to 100%           0.6 
Norplant         10-50%*              0.09
Depo-Provera     1%**                 0.3 
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Notes:
*   Rising with each consecutive year of use
**  Derived from 0.3-0.7% breakthrough pregnancies per year
*** Figures for 1st year of use given perfect usage

J. Kippley also estimated that the Combined Pill causes one early chemical abortion for every 88 menstrual cycles of a woman who continually uses it (Kippley, J., "The Pill and Eearly Abortion", All About Issues, 8, Aug-Sept 1989, pp22-23). This translates to 1.4 million pill-incuded abortions in the US in 1989, given around 10 milion users, according to Patrick McCrystal of Pharmacists for Life International.

A contraceptive is an abortifacient if any of this happens at all. The actual rate of abortion is irrelevant. Whether it's high or low, an abortion is an abortion. If the contraceptive causes it at all, then it is an abortifacient.

Finally, even if you are irrationally obstinate in your doubt, you must still err on the side of life. If there is any doubt, then you cannot assume that an abportion dopes not occur because we are talking about human life here. The value at stake is too great for reckless judgement. If you err on the side of caution, you preserve life. Even if you are wrong (and the contraceptive is not an abortifcient), no life is lost. But if you are not cautious, and the contraceptive is abortifacient, then you KILL someone.

For the church, IVF is also abortifacient but my own opinion is how can it be considered abortion when everyone is trying desperately to implant the embryo.

A method that deliberately discards several newly-concieved lives (the fertilized eggs) in order to implant just one is certaoinly abortifacient. You kill several lives just to make one more. And you think that's not abortifacient? Get real.

Population growth is decreasing but so is the whole world's. And not like a rock!

Now that's just a matter of interpretation. When is the growth rate too high? Can you actually show that is does cause poverty on a national scale? No one has been able to do so, and neither can you. The studies show otherwise: population growth does NOT cause poverty or significantly affect it in any way. The evidence is pretty clear on that. But I suppose you will just ignore it.

Take note that decrease in population growth rates also leads to population ageing, which we are NOT prepared to handle. There are no mechanisms anywhere in the country to do so. In fact, we do not even know how to handle it. Population control has dangerous economic consequences that you have totally ignored as well.

I do not see any problems with married couple using condoms, pills, IUDs, etc.

Only because you choose to remain blind to the fact that many of these methods are abortifacient.

Well, as much as a pregnancy may be unplanned or unwanted, I have not heard of any married couple here in the Philippines ever having an abortion because the contraceptive method failed!

You're burying your head in the sand again. The figures speak for themselves. The Guttmacher Institute, which is a pro-abortion group, estimates that 60% of abortions are by women who were on some contraceptive when they became pregnant. That litte fact effectively sinks your argument completely.

And that lie about promoting commitment and fidelity. Every woman knows some of them have irregular periods and it's just impossible to forecast.

Calling it crap doesn;'t change the facts. Your eally should try to find a real argument instead of resorting to foul language. You will look less silly that way

You really don't know much about NFP, I'm afraid. NFP doesn't rely on the old calendar method. It also uses the mucus method and basal body temperature method (BBT). All three combined are very accurate and it works even for women who have irregular periods. Of course this presumes that you know your partner, which pronotes commitment and fidelity -- and your irrational tactic of calling it "crap" doesn't change that fact.

You accuse the Church of lying, but is clearly YOU -- and those like you -- who who are lying. You can't even get your facts straight. And when your errors have been exposed, you resort to foul language. That is really a very clear indication that you don't have any rational arguments to stand on.

As for that strongly pious health worker who refuse to dispense condoms. Quit your job and go to the convent. If not, find another job.

Why should he? Dispensing condoms is NOT a mandatory medical prtactice. It never has been. Killing may be part of a solfier's job, but contraception is NOT necessarily a doctor's or health worker's job. They have always had the right to refuse. Dispensing contraceptives is a NEW requirement being imposed by this anti-life bill. That is something you have convenienelty forgotten.

By the way, the hippocratic oath taken by doctors obliges them to nurture life, not destroy it, Again, that is yet another thing that you and the authors of this coercive anti-life bill have forgotten.

[mannyamador]

Statistics aside, whatever happened to the rule of Separation of Church and State?
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I was really pissed of when I read the article posted in this thread. Why would the church deny Holy Communion to those who support the bill? Is it because they see those law makers as "sinners" who have committed Mortal sin?

Sorry bro, but I think you misunderstand what is meant by "separation of Church and state." It does NOT mean that the Church cannot engage in politics. It does NOT mean the Church cannot try to work for the interests of the faithful. What it DOES mean is that the state cannot impose a state religion or try to control the practice of religion. The principle protects religion from the state because historically the state has always tried to control religion (not the other way around). Even in the Middle Ages, the state often used religion for its own purposes and tried to control it. There was constant tension between the Church and the various governments in Europe, even in the so-called Catholic countries. That is why in the US, this principle of separation became popular. Their former colonial masters, the English, had a state religion and used it to control the people when they could. The Americans wanted to change that. Buy they NEVER said that the Church could not engage in politics. The US even has clergymen as senators (like Rev. Jesee Jackson).

My thoughts on separation of Church and state are expressed in more detail at:
http://mamador.wordpress.com/2007/10...rch-and-state/

Archbishop Dosado was absolutely right denying the perpetrators of this anti-life bill Holy Communion. These two-faced politicians are NOT just regular mortal sinners like the rest of us. They are not just commititng sin privately. They are engaging in PUBLIC, REPEATED, and OBSTINATE sin, and even worse, they are tryiong to fool people into thinking that this is alright. There is a HUGE difference.

These politicans are trying to pretend they are good Catholics while at the same time openly working against the teachings of the Church. They deserve to be denied Holy Communion. In fact, they deserve far worse, but the Church is still being merciful.

Denying them Holy Communion just make simple comon sense. If you don't like it, find another "church" that thinks its alright for its members to violate its own teachings and make up their own doctrines whenever they feel like it. Let's see how long that "church" lasts.

Look around us, our population is growing in leaps and bounds that our economy...no, our planet is at the verge of self destruction.

This is crazed paranoia. The world is nowhere near desturction and we are not overpopulated. Get a grip.

[pongborro]

basta agree ko ni johnny22aa sa iyang last post.

[nItO/pIrEnA]

this is pro-life...

those who defy it are anti-life...

there can be no greater crime than allowing children to be born to impoverished parents, and allowing poor couples to spawn and breed despite their incapability to raise a decent family...

[nItO/pIrEnA]

the church is calling for the stamping out of corruption...

but large, poor families, are in themselves breeding grounds for corruption...poverty begets discontent, discontent begets corruption in all its forms...

[nItO/pIrEnA]

saon..lisod part kung pilion...dli palang ko mapilian..dli ta ka J*r-j*r..hehehe
nonsense mani..i think proper education guro ang dapat..dli ingon ani...

kung naa kay ikabuhi ug pamilya, then pwede ka maka-j*r2...

kato rang mga walay trabaho ang di pwede...

[mannyamador]

there can be no greater crime than allowing children to be born to impoverished parents, and allowing poor couples to spawn and breed despite their incapability to raise a decent family...

I can think of a worse cirme: Having the unmitigated, damnable arrogance to decide which parents are "fit" to have children and which are not.

You have no right whatsoever to decide who can breed and who cannot. You are engaging in eugenics, the same kind of thinking that the Nazis used to justify their crimes. It's disgusting.

This bill deadly. It is part of the Culture of Death. It deserves to be used as toilet paper. No, it's not even good enough for that.

[mannyamador]

Campaign Promoting Contraception-Alternative for Family Planning Underway from US Catholic Bishops

"Natural Family Planning Awareness Week" highlights positive
reasons for Church teaching on artificial birth control and
offers healthy alternative

By Peter J. Smith
Campaign Promoting Contraception-Alternative for Family Planning Underway from US Catholic Bishops

WASHINGTON, D.C., A new campaign promoting the benefits of a
non-contraceptive method of planning families is underway from the US
Catholic Bishops, who are trying to make Christians aware about how
couples can space births in a natural way that enriches married love.

The US Conference of Catholic Bishops has launched its "Natural Family
Planning Awareness Week" to draw attention to Catholic teachings about
human sexuality, conjugal love, and responsible parenthood, as articulated
in Pope Paul VI's controversial 1968 encyclical Humanae Vitae.

The Church celebrates the 40th anniversary of Humanae Vitae on July 25, on
the same day as it celebrates the religious feasts of Saints Joachim and
Anne, the parents of the Virgin Mary, on July 26.

Natural Family Planning (NFP) is a term encompassing a variety of methods
used to help a couple discern the signs of a woman's natural fertility
that may help them conceive or, if a serious reason presents itself, to
avoid pregnancy for a time.

The NFP promotion is meant to give Christian couples concerned with
spacing the births of their children a renewed appreciation for the gift
of life and love that is harmoniously expressed in married sexual
relations when artificial birth control or other methods that deliberately
frustrate the conception of a child are not employed.

"NFP promotes openness to the transmission of human life and recognizes
the value of children. Sexual relations are understood as love-giving as
well as life-giving. It is true family planning," reads a booklet by the
USCCB's Diocesan Development Program for Natural Family Planning found on
its website. "Because NFP respects the two-fold nature of sexual
intercourse [unity and procreation], it can enrich the bond between
husband and wife. For these reasons it is an acceptable form of family
planning for people of various religious and philosophical beliefs."
(USCCB - (NFP) - An Introduction to Natural Family Planning)

The Catholic Church has always held that deliberate attempts to frustrate
or interfere with the transmission of human life, i.e. contraception, are
intrinsically wrong. The position was reaffirmed by the 1968 papal
encyclical Humanae Vitae.

Although Paul VI's encyclical has largely been reputed as the Catholic
Church's "birth control ban," the negative assessment ignores the
pontiff's positive assessment of married love and its sexual expression,
which he said would be harmed severely by contraception.

"The reason is that the fundamental nature of the marriage act, while
uniting husband and wife in the closest intimacy, also renders them
capable of generating new life - and this as a result of laws written into
the actual nature of man and of woman," Paul VI wrote.

The Pontiff also recognized how married couples who found it necessary
could legitimately use non-contraceptive methods of spacing births in
harmony with natural laws. He added, "God has wisely ordered laws of
nature and the incidence of fertility in such a way that successive births
are already naturally spaced through the inherent operation of these
laws."

The Natural Family Planning Program posters from the USCCB feature the
slogan, "A Way of Life, A Way of Love." The USCCB website is full of
resources on NFP, stories of couples who have used NFP, and an archive of
Church teachings on the goodness of human sexuality and following God's
plan for love and children in marriage.

[nItO/pIrEnA]

I can think of a worse cirme: Having the unmitigated, damnable arrogance to decide which parents are "fit" to have children and which are not.

You have no right whatsoever to decide who can breed and who cannot. You are engaging in eugenics, the same kind of thinking that the Nazis used to justify their crimes. It's disgusting.

This bill deadly. It is part of the Culture of Death. It deserves to be used as toilet paper. No, it's not even good enough for that.

i dont see anything wrong with being practical...

eugenics, this the way nature has been dealing with all the creatures of this earth since time immemorial...human intervention did nothing good but to interfere with it, leaving us with problem upon problem...

our race has become too weak and complacent thanks to our patronization of weakness and promotion of lies...

i cant stomach seeing those impoverished people endlessly multiplying...doing nothing but drink, gamble, and gossip all day...heck, they even have the guts to make heavy demands from the government...what part did they play in baking the pie that makes them worth having a choice piece of it?

too many children born into impoverished families not only brings suffering upon these children and their families, but strains the state