NDF: a terrorist group or not?

[bcasabee]

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sori kung dili ka kasabot......wala na koy mahimo ana.....

[tolstoi]

GAREB

we can argue this but what will come out is that "FEAR on the aggrieved individual" will unquestionably sit comfortably with the mother-child example, despite the fact that it is less serious than a revolutionary government asking you for tax or else face the consequences.

what i'm trying to imply is that what sets-out between these scenarious is the fact that in the revolutionary tax example, a gun or firepower is involve thus an imminent danger on the aggrieved individual is predominant compared to your mother-child example.

what i find very interesting is the fact that you seem to miss my example with regards to the BIR. it is a serious 'grown-up' matter, and "FEAR on the aggrieved individual" is also present with its threats of property confiscation and/or imprisonment as a consequence of non-compliance. if we do not include mere 'kid's stuff' in our definition of terror, then why did you fail to mention the BIR? exceptionalism?

the mere thought of incarcerating someone if he/she cannot pay BIR's tax can also be considered violence. also is the mere thought of confiscation of property. in the case of the NDF, confiscation to be burned. either laws of GRP or NDF are not without violence against persons or property especially when it comes to punitive acts. but they key phrase here, according to the Geneva Declaration, is "indiscriminate and horrifying forms of violence directed against ordinary people".

like i said, what exactly is the magnitude of fear if an individual is compelled to pay tax in a revolutionary government and in GRP?

if we take a closer look on this story:

How much? The NPA had originally demanded P80 million. It is said to have been bargained down to P30 million. After their equipment had been torched in Sta. Catalina, Negros Occidental in January 2004, and then in San Andres, Catanduanes in April 2005, the Chinese were forced to suspend their operations in two other places, until they paid up. It was an extortion operation worthy of the Sicilian Mafia.

http://www.geocities.com/dapat_tapatt/stinking.html

as you can see a certain business establishment was compelled to pay a LUMP sum of P80 million pesos, and since they failed to pay this sum, as a consequence their equipments were torched and were forced to suspend operation.

contrast this on GRP's way of taxation and then weigh-out which among the two is more terroristic in terms of implementation.

[LytSlpr]

NDF? Terrorist org? Ngano gud tawon. Tinood ma momba na sila ug cell site (mayra sad uy kay daku kaayo gianansya cellfone companies) ug manunug ug bus pero WA MAY CIVILIAN ILANG I ANGIN.

na unsa ka diha? pataka ra man ka ug istorya! palihug siguroha na imong mga komentaryo, kay wala na nagka di mao.

di na lang ta mag lalis kay bisan mo limod pa na ang NPA...

1] nabuking na gyud na sila kung unsa ilang gusto labi na ilang mga lider
2] daghan na ug higayon nakapatay na sila ug mga inosente.
3] magpagamit na sila ug magpabayad sa politiko labi na kung eleksyon
4] private army sa uban politiko

...ug daghan pa ug lain mga kabuang

of course you can always say nga mga rogue or splinter groups to sila or gipagawas ra ug ingon ana sa media or gobyerno ba kaha pero di sa siguro ingon ana ka-ihas ang katawhan. labi na karon nga naa na'y internet, cellphone, satellite, cable ug uban pa. ang ma-ilad aning mga NPA kay kadto ra pud mga taga bukid.

[Spec-V]

NDF? Terrorist org? Ngano gud tawon. Tinood ma momba na sila ug cell site (mayra sad uy kay daku kaayo gianansya cellfone companies) ug manunug ug bus pero WA MAY CIVILIAN ILANG I ANGIN.

Hmmmm...familiar kaayo kag tinubagan....Uyyyyyy...

"Welcome back S.N.M.P."Â*

[pandisal]

NDF? Terrorist org? Ngano gud tawon. Tinood ma momba na sila ug cell site (mayra sad uy kay daku kaayo gianansya cellfone companies) ug manunug ug bus pero WA MAY CIVILIAN ILANG I ANGIN.

Hmmmm...familiar kaayo kag tinubagan....Uyyyyyy...

"Welcome back S.N.M.P."

OT. Yep... thats S.N.M.P.... i thought human na siya ani nga forum... dili na daw siya mo balik... naa raman gihapon...

btw, ngano gud lalison pa gyud kung ang NDF terorista or dili, ka klaro ra a ana ah,.... only the blind and supporter sa NDF ang mo sulti
nga dili sila terorista, but common people will says otherwise PERIOD. :mrgreen:

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

NPA - NDF .... ?? !! Lalison pa ba na kung terrorista sila ? As long as there is fear because of their presence then they are ! Kinsay di hadlok ug NPA diri otherwise nagpaka aron ingnon kang NPA ? Yes they may have a cause that went out of bounds , they may have visions that was manipulated etc but their actions are VERY MUCH not ACCEPTABLE in the general public .

[LytSlpr]

"over! over! ka-roger, come in!" *static*

[Wind Shear]

"over! over! ka-roger, come in!" *static*

Eat our cannon shells Ka Roger! *AC-130 comes in to pound the commies' lair*

[luntian_grace]

NDF as terrorists?

I gonna say, Yes.

pls give me fact that could support such cliams. befor you say yes or know you are oblige to support your claims. pls consider studying what is a terrorist and not. invistigate first, know what is NDF if possible and terrorist.

[luntian_grace]

NDF? Terrorist org? Ngano gud tawon. Tinood ma momba na sila ug cell site (mayra sad uy kay daku kaayo gianansya cellfone companies) ug manunug ug bus pero WA MAY CIVILIAN ILANG I ANGIN.

na unsa ka diha? pataka ra man ka ug istorya! palihug siguroha na imong mga komentaryo, kay wala na nagka di mao.

di na lang ta mag lalis kay bisan mo limod pa na ang NPA...


1] nabuking na gyud na sila kung unsa ilang gusto labi na ilang mga lider
2] daghan na ug higayon nakapatay na sila ug mga inosente.
3] magpagamit na sila ug magpabayad sa politiko labi na kung eleksyon
4] private army sa uban politiko

...ug daghan pa ug lain mga kabuang

of course you can always say nga mga rogue or splinter groups to sila or gipagawas ra ug ingon ana sa media or gobyerno ba kaha pero di sa siguro ingon ana ka-ihas ang katawhan. labi na karon nga naa na'y internet, cellphone, satellite, cable ug uban pa. ang ma-ilad aning mga NPA kay kadto ra pud mga taga bukid.

where did you get all this data? for i am one of those people who were monitoring the activities of this group. i want to know if this is valid and if you can actually give me some information. i want to have a first hand infor meaning naka interview baka og mga victims nila? if so, can you name atleast one, para maka file ko og affidavit sa mga victims. for this is a clear violation againts CARHRIHL if tinood. If nakoha ra ni nimo na info sa mga chikachika ayaw na lang kog samok-samoka. the last violation nga among nakoha na data was last, mga early 90s sa aning group. tinood wala pa ko ka dawat og likramo sa mga civilian na ilang gimaltrato if naa man gani. most sa data about killing mga inosente na civilian kay ni piont sa mga AFP ug mga cafgu. sa on saon man tani ikaw kahibaw ka ana? wala man na siya gipagawas sa tv, prints and radio. ug dili jud nah siya ipagawas. naa ko sa human rights watch NGO na ngmonitor og human rights violations sa kabukiran. if gusto ka tagaan pa tika sa copy sa ilang mga affidavit, basin unya dili nimo mabasa kay niaabout raba siya og 5000 plus ang reported cases wala pay labot ang wala nihatag og affi sa term ni arroyo lang.Â*