MERGED: CPP-NPA-NDF Discussions (Issues, Updates, etc.)

[giddyboy]

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It is ok to criticize the government but in a more reasonable manner, especially by the youth.

There are proper and effective avenues to air concerns on corruption, poverty, etc...it doesn't matter if you are left-inclined or right-inclined as long as you don't go to the extremes...ok, everybody can go to the streets & march and protest but in a manner according to the issues and message you want to convey.

And as for Jored's thread, what i don't like are the hasty generalizations he is calling the gov't as corrupt, puppet, fascist, anti-youth, & anti-people.

CORRUPT - all gov't systems in every part of the world have their level of corruption, and efforts to minimize it varies. Corruption is always there, whether you like it or not.

PUPPET - how in the world could you say we are a puppet gov't? by the US imperialism and globalization? aw c'mon...ok ra cguro kadtong panahon pa ta sa hapon.

FASCIST - in contemporary political discourse, "fascist" term has become a slur, used by adherents of some ideologies to describe their opponents.

ANTI-YOUTH, ANTI-PEOPLE - ?

And to imply that more and more youths are joining the NPA's & other revolutionary organizations as the better choice is very MISLEADING and BRAINWASHING. Does Jored have facts & figures to support that? Here's my facts ay:

"According to military statistics and claims, the communist insurgency has fallen to its lowest level in 20 years, with fewer than 6,000 armed guerrillas operating across the country. Military authorities claim that the NPA’s influence has been neutralized in 202 villages and “guerrilla fronts� have been reduced to 87."

source: ANALYSIS: Conflict-driven strategy, By Amando Doronila
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 10:46pm (Mla time) 01/10/2008

SO ASA MAN ANA ANG MORE & MORE YOUTHS BEH?

so if you wanna insist on communism, better lupad ad2 sa China or North Korea...you might get a better life there...coz communism won't work here...

and if you wanna insist also on a military junta, better lupad sa Cuba...

"messianic" complex? join Trillanes in jail...

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AND IF THE YOUTH really want to involve in the quest for a better "democratic" government, some KEY WORDS are:

CRITICAL THINKING (as gareb pointed out)

MILITANT ATTITUDE

VIGILANCE

RESPECT FOR THE RULE OF LAW

[baron]

The youth's idealism is the main thrust of this communist group. They can easily call the attention of the youth with their words that the problem of this country is this administration when in truth and in fact the problem lies on the blinded objective and mission of this group. They extort people in the countryside yet they call themselves protectors of the people. What an oxy*****!

I hope the youth will have more understanding that joining this senseless cause will not help the country or themselves to improve. I'd rather help this country by studying and be part of the growing economy in the future.

[gareb]

There are proper and effective avenues to air concerns on corruption, poverty, etc...it doesn't matter if you are left-inclined or right-inclined as long as you don't go to the extremes...ok, everybody can go to the streets & march and protest but in a manner according to the issues and message you want to convey.

'proper', yes. but 'effective', that is highly questionable for very obvious reasons. and we should not forget that the word 'extreme' is a word used relative to the point of our perspective.

And as for Jored's thread, what i don't like are the hasty generalizations he is calling the gov't as corrupt, puppet, fascist, anti-youth, & anti-people.

as i have mentioned a few posts back, we really have not learned to take things into context. and may i add that we also have not learned to see how such terms are used by those who pepper their statements with them. nor have we actually learned the thesis where they base their statements.

people still have wrong notions of what "communism" is all about and immediately performs a knee-jerk reaction when the term is mentioned, when their conceptualizations of terms such as "communism", "socialism", "leftist" or "militants" are at best, twisted, limited, or entirely wrong. it is not surprising considering the kind of dis-information campaign that goes on where every kind of critical thinking is assumed to be as "disrespectful".

And to imply that more and more youths are joining the NPA's & other revolutionary organizations as the better choice is very MISLEADING and BRAINWASHING.

... it's a matter of perspective and analysis. who are we to say that the lectures that most religious groups isn't a form of dis-information and brainwashing in itself? or press conferences in Malacanang? or watching your everyday primetime soap opera on TV? or are we only to apply these terms selectively to the action of those parties that we do not favor?

the task here is not to magnify and reinforce prejudices, but to 1.)study the thesis, the social analysis that they have, 2.)test its validity and objectivity, 3.)and judge for ourselves if the path that they are taking is a valid one. that is 'critical thinking' and 'critical analysis' combined.

[godsaint]

Actually the topic is not supposed to be only with the removal of GMA from the position.These topic is all about the corruption why theres a need for the youth action.Now if corruption cannot forever be gone in this country,better for us to fight it and loss rather than sit down and do nothing.

[giddyboy]

'proper', yes. but 'effective', that is highly questionable for very obvious reasons. and we should not forget that the word 'extreme' is a word used relative to the point of our perspective.

i say "effective venues" coz we have the best laws in the world, although not a law is perfect, and also the implementation...why resort to extremism, communism, or "messianic complex" at this moment? militant attitude maybe be the more wise approach. and it has been proven by our party-list system of governance.

Extremism is to describe the actions or ideologies of individuals or groups outside the perceived political center of a society; or otherwise claimed to violate common standards of ethics and reciprocity...

so yes, "extreme" is used relative to the point of our perspective...but whose perspective? it should be based on the perceived political center of the society...

as i have mentioned a few posts back, we really have not learned to take things into context. and may i add that we also have not learned to see how such terms are used by those who pepper their statements with them. nor have we actually learned the thesis where they base their statements.

people still have wrong notions of what "communism" is all about and immediately performs a knee-jerk reaction when the term is mentioned, when their conceptualizations of terms such as "communism", "socialism", "leftist" or "militants" are at best, twisted, limited, or entirely wrong. it is not surprising considering the kind of dis-information campaign that goes on where every kind of critical thinking is assumed to be as "disrespectful".

... it's a matter of perspective and analysis. who are we to say that the lectures that most religious groups isn't a form of dis-information and brainwashing in itself? or press conferences in Malacanang? or watching your everyday primetime soap opera on TV? or are we only to apply these terms selectively to the action of those parties that we do not favor?

yeah i know. propaganda takes many forms...others use it for spiritual salvation...others do it to promote tv commercials and political appeal...communists do it to gain support & for recruitment...this is a reality. and "critical thinking" supposedly filters out the ones that you deem not acceptable to your personal norms & judgment.

and besides, it does not need one to take into context to understand what the message conveys. Just based from the title itself: "Advance the struggle against the Arroyo regime"...no matter what is contained in that message is preceded by a titling that is MISLEADING and PREJUDICIAL in the first place.

the task here is not to magnify and reinforce prejudices, but to 1.)study the thesis, the social analysis that they have, 2.)test its validity and objectivity, 3.)and judge for ourselves if the path that they are taking is a valid one. that is 'critical thinking' and 'critical analysis' combined.

now assuming we are talking about communist insurgents here:
study their thesis and social analysis? we doubt if ever they have one...and i'm sure if they ever have one, it will not be in favor to them. why? let's just do the math. less than 6,000 armed members against the total phil. army population, and still decreasing. no wonder they are profusely trying to recruit more thru all kind of media nowadays...and that includes the internet. now, analyze that.

not to mention that they are using party-lists allegedly as fronts for their cause as a more wiser political approach, thus infiltrating the gov't system.

testing its validity & objectivity? their objectivity to extort, kill, and sow terror. that's why they suck right then and there.

mas maayo pa nang MILF ky ang ilang goal & objective is to have a one-mindanao autonomy, not the already obsolete Maoist principles.

and i'm saying "obsolete" coz it has a valid ground...

[radiostar]

You told that to me before . What are you implying ? We are RICH and you are POOR ? Now you being POOR , who made you POOR ? The government ? Because you are POOR you have to blame the government ? How about I will blame the government also because I am RICH lols !

again your choice of words are illogical

[godsaint]

Just purely intelligence..

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

tsk. tsk. better the Devil than the deep blue sea, eh?

I am expecting something better than that .

since you are familiar with how your corrupt officials work, you'd rather "respect and support" them (the horror!) rather than criticize, condemn and remove them from power. who do i respect? i respect those people whose motives and actions are in line with the common good. that is less than your (questionably) elected officials whom you want us all to "respect and support".

And I just said , who do you respect ? Like I said , I speak generally because I am for the GOVERNMENT whoever it is and thats is how I support it . You are speaking specifically to PRESIDENT GLORIA MACAPAGAL ARROYO and only to her . Now who are those people whose motives are for the common good ? Remember the song " PEOPLE are PEOPLE " ?

you easily and fatally fell into error of bifurcation which, because i disagreed with your previous comments, you automatically assume, without taking things into the right context, that the exact opposite of what you suggested was what i wanted to advocate. i'm sorry to disappoint you on this, though.

It might sound like that but since when will a PRO GOVERNMENT ( in a sense where LET IT BE and not a FANATIC ) will agree with an ACTIVIST and ANTI GOVERNMENT or far worst an advocate of COMMUNISM . Korehi-i na lang ko .

it is as if you assume that the only way to show love for one's own country is to "follow rules and regulations" when it is quite clear that certain rules and regulations run counter to the common good. your prescription for what the youth should do is, allow me to use the term, simplistic. it presupposes that everything will be well if we follow an obviously rotten social sructure.

Hahaha .. Gareb .. Gareb ... you are the only one who ASSUMED that what I said is the only WAY . I even asked you if you have more lay it down . Just because I said a couple of things , it stops there . Dont go deep when the fishes are in the surface .

it's not the youth who changes the nation? your prescription only allows the youth a passive role, to 'enjoy' while the corrupt bigwigs have their greedy palms at the helm of power, directing what course this sinking ship is heading. you prescription wants the youth to keep silent in the name of 'respect' and obey everything that is ordered even if those orders are wrong. you want us to swallow official propaganda without even dissecting for ourselves the truth and implications of such informations, out of sheer "support and respect". i am afraid you might have presumtions that the youth are that dumb.

Just because you respect means you are harboring also ? Just because you are supporting means you are also pretending to be BLIND and DEAF ? What if I will change my story to :

I am CONDEMNING and CRITICIZING PGMA for her CORRUPTION but I am RESPECTING and SUPPORTING those who POLITICIANS who are for the COMMON GOOD .

Tell me about it .

you seem to have forgotten that 'respect' is not something granted out of status, age or position. respect is earned. who shall tell us that the politicians that you want us to "respect and support" have earned their right to be respected?

LOLZ .... when I said that , did I give you names , provinces of their jurisdiction and position in the government ? Now you ASSUME too much . Didnt I asked you to give me names of those who you support and respect ? You told the people whose motives are for the common good . If I suggested names that you need to support and respect , that is AUTHORITARIAN .

i have a better alternative to your prescription. where yours is "blind obedience", mine is called "critical thinking". talk about the subject when you have fully grasped it.

And that doesnt make you better than me , me better than you , the rest to you and vice versa . Tell something about 2 entities of the same page with totally different views . RAKENROL !

@RADIOSTAR ...

At least I am not making a point that is pointless . Talk about LOGIC ? Hahaha !!

[radiostar]

@RADIOSTAR ...

At least I am not making a point that is pointless . Talk about LOGIC ? Hahaha !!

well ur point is pointless, look at how you analyze things... and you call that logic? i beg to differ springgoy

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

Ok lets go back to your issues RADIOSTAR ...

you said :

yes you can say that one because you are fed with a silver spoon and fork

Please tell how and what is the logic in between those phrase na mo relate sa atong GOVERNMENT karon ? If there is a CRISIS , do you really think ang mga POBRE ra ang ma apektuhan ? Hehehe .... beh ipagawas imohang logic beh kay kana SILVER SPOON ra ba imohang choice of words ra ba gyud na .