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  1. #6041

    Quote Originally Posted by noy View Post
    akala mo lang yun break, it is never good to judge.
    mao ni pagkuwang sa church leaders bro. most members nga wala gyuy deeper knowledge sa inyong catechism, nagdahum ra pud tawn sa sakto ilang gibuhat/pagtuo.

  2. #6042
    Quote Originally Posted by nicka View Post
    this is wat i am saying about in the first place.. yeah' never ever down on any things man made to project heaven. kya nga nasuko c moises diba? ky ang mga tawo naghimo ug baka pra himoun nila ug god. same as sa rebolto. they are made by man. hindi dapat cla niluluhuran. only God deserve to be bowed by us.

    this is actually answered by Sir Springfield.

    please take note that even Moises made a bronze image of a snake and put it on the stake and command people to gaze over it and believe and thus not die of poison by snakes,

    of GOD commanded King David also.

    the problem only arise when people in authority make efforts for profit to bend such commands for their own gain

    starting in the time of the apostle till now


    if you will hear some say that Saint Pedro Calungsod is GOD, atong ilansang.

  3. #6043
    Quote Originally Posted by shockie View Post
    Klaro baya kayo ni bro, unless ang Ginoo na mismo ang nagsugo.

    Exodus 20
    3Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
    4Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
    5Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God,
    nya unsaon man pod ni break? gibinuangan lang diay ta ani sa Ginoo?

    Numbers 21:8
    The LORD said to Moses, "Make a snake and put it up on a pole; anyone who is bitten can look at it and live."

  4. #6044
    Quote Originally Posted by shockie View Post
    haahah....tinuod ni @xian?
    hahaha, not totally,. kay ang pwede ra namong lanlanon kto rang mga hostiyas nga wa pa ma consecrated, meaning kanang mga nangalata nga stock sa aparador sa kombento, or knang newly donated, the newer the better, nyahaha.. kanang mga consecrated adto mana sa tabernakulo ibutang, gamiton mana sa mga Lay ministers kong mag service sila sa mga kapilya..

  5. #6045
    Quote Originally Posted by shockie View Post
    mao ni pagkuwang sa church leaders bro. most members nga wala gyuy deeper knowledge sa inyong catechism, nagdahum ra pud tawn sa sakto ilang gibuhat/pagtuo.
    much more with other religious denomination

    the OLD bible is written by RCC Scholar and Doctors of the RCC Church ( not the literary king james version)

    basing everything on MIDRASH and ancient books of the Apostles from the time of all the prophets of the old testament , the rich history of the Plight of the tribe of Jacob ( Israel ), to Acts of the Apostle , to different Gospels of the evangelist, to the fathers in the desert, from the letters of the Ancient epistle and sermons of the Fathers of the Church.


    let me ask you, have you read an ancient book ( even one lang ) authored by, say Melito Sardis?

    does your pastors know the History of the Aramaic name Abram?

  6. #6046
    Is God COMPLETELY against the use of material objects to communicate his grace?


    NO. Even Jesus used His garments (a physical object) as a conduit of grace to heal the bleeding woman.

    ""When Christ was hanging on the cross He communicated the graces He obtained by His death through a material object and that is the blood and water that gush forth from His side.

    By Christ Incarnation matter or material objects has become Holy objects or in our Catholic faith Sacramentals because through this Holy objects (scapulars, Rosaries, Statues, candles etc.) God communicates His grace. In the Bible it is clearly stated in the Book of Acts on how God communicates His grace through material objects.
    ""

    The handkerchiefs and aprons (read the Acts of the Apostles), the garment of Jesus, and even the shadow of Peter are used to heal the sick and obtain grace since the time of Jesus.

    Likewise, when we remember our dead loved ones, we touch their pictures in order to make a connection or remembrance. Others are contented enough to look at it. But it does not mean that the little piece of paper you are holding is your relative, or the statue as a god.

  7. #6047
    Quote Originally Posted by shockie View Post
    mao baya nang usa ka rason bro nga akong uyoan sa probinsya nga palahubog na discourage kay ngano kuno ang pari dili mangimbitar ug inom, daghan man kuno bino nga gihalad. hahahaah!
    di man gud na makahubog ang mompo..Lol kaw ha making stories na pud ka. hahaha

  8. #6048
    Quote Originally Posted by shockie View Post
    mao ni pagkuwang sa church leaders bro. most members nga wala gyuy deeper knowledge sa inyong catechism, nagdahum ra pud tawn sa sakto ilang gibuhat/pagtuo.
    then why attack Catholicism in the first place, when ang mga pari or catekista man kahay naay pagkuwang?
    do you think wala pud nay pagkuwang ang mga pastor sa ubang pundok? nganu hangtud karun wa man mu kasabut
    nga wala jud mi magcmba sa mga santos.Lol

    honest to goodness question break.
    naa jud personally ning inugn nimu nga Katoliko iya gisonsider ang mga santos prehas kang Jesus isip Diyos ug manluluwas?

  9. #6049
    Quote Originally Posted by shockie View Post
    mao baya nang usa ka rason bro nga akong uyoan sa probinsya nga palahubog na discourage kay ngano kuno ang pari dili mangimbitar ug inom, daghan man kuno bino nga gihalad. hahahaah!
    wa rana sa akong amigong pari, T65 ang ipuli sa botelya sa mompo. hehe

  10. #6050
    Quote Originally Posted by newbie.86 View Post
    Is God COMPLETELY against the use of material objects to communicate his grace?


    NO. Even Jesus used His garments (a physical object) as a conduit of grace to heal the bleeding woman.

    ""When Christ was hanging on the cross He communicated the graces He obtained by His death through a material object and that is the blood and water that gush forth from His side.

    By Christ Incarnation matter or material objects has become Holy objects or in our Catholic faith Sacramentals because through this Holy objects (scapulars, Rosaries, Statues, candles etc.) God communicates His grace. In the Bible it is clearly stated in the Book of Acts on how God communicates His grace through material objects.
    ""

    The handkerchiefs and aprons (read the Acts of the Apostles), the garment of Jesus, and even the shadow of Peter are used to heal the sick and obtain grace since the time of Jesus.

    Likewise, when we remember our dead loved ones, we touch their pictures in order to make a connection or remembrance. Others are contented enough to look at it. But it does not mean that the little piece of paper you are holding is your relative, or the statue as a god.
    sakto, labina about St. Peter as written in the Acts of the apostles..

    but THE RCC does not Advocate such religiosity and are even very cautious about claims of miracles as not to taint the Already Saving name of GOD.

    but for the sake of the ( hungry for salvation and guidance ) masses, di na lang mutingog..

    murag imong mama, even dili na ganahan sa imong gibuhat, cge lang kay anak man ka

    and hinay-hinayun ug guide aron dili masakitan

    kay ug masakitan gani..

    muuban dayon sa barkada,

    mag mukmuk sa kwarto dili mukaon

    maghikog.

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