If someone ask you "Luwas na ba ka?", whats ur answer?

[Mr.Ho_chia]

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aw kalooy nalang sa Ginoo bro, kana kung kaloy-an ka.
Ang Dios Amahan maoy muluwas sa gawas sa Iglesia.
Pero pinaagi sa kaluoy.

Peace!

asa ni sa bible? o imo ning personal interpretation?

[rcruman]

asa ni sa bible? o imo ning personal interpretation?

ang Dios Amahan maoy muluwas sa tanang tawo:
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
1 timothy 2:3-4

10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
1 Timothy 4:10

pero si Cristo ang muluwas sa Iglesia/Church:
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
Ephesians 5:23

18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Colossians 1:18

og ang kamatuoran nga sa Gawas ang Dios Amahan maoy muluwas or muhukom kay:

12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
1 Corinthians 5:12-13

og pinaagi sa Kaluoy or Mercy ang Ginoo muluwas sa Gawas sa Church:

15 This thou knowest, that all they which are in Asia be turned away from me; of whom are Phygellus and Hermogenes.

16 The Lord give mercy unto the house of Onesiphorus; for he oft refreshed me, and was not ashamed of my chain:
17 But, when he was in Rome, he sought me out very diligently, and found me.
18 The Lord grant unto him that he may find mercy of the Lord in that day: and in how many things he ministered unto me at Ephesus, thou knowest very well.
2 Timothy 1:16-18

15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
Romans 9:15

Peace!

[rcruman]

i think naa man guro na sa bible na f only you will repent from your sins maluwas jud kaw..

subjective pana kay "maluwas" so naa pay basehan aron maluwas inig human nimog repent og kini mao ang pagtuman sa iya mga pulong or tanan niyang gisugo.

Matthew 28:19-20

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Peace!

[Mr.Ho_chia]

3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
1 timothy 2:3-4

Yeah Because Jesus Christ is also GOD our Savior. There is but one Savior and that is the man Jesus Christ. wala gyud dha gisulti nga ang Amahan ang mo save sa mga katawhan ug si Christ ra ang ma save sa Iglesia. another false teaching by cults, twisting the word of GOD and dividing the Triune GOD of the Bible.

1Jn 4:14
And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent His Son to be the Savior of the world.

Savior of the world naha dili of the church.

Unya awa ang Isaiah 43: 10 - 11
10"you are my witness declares the Lord, ' and my servant whom i have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me.
11 I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no Savior.

mao na gisulti no GOD the Father kang Isaiah which is saved already. mao nga kung imo tanawun rc, GOD the Fatther and GOD the Son, works as one GOD. They are not divided in their work but rather as one.


and there is no other name appointed unto men that we maybe saved but the name Jesus Christ. Apil na tanan, the savior of the world and the Church is Jesus Christ. as also the Father.

Awa ha ang pinaka popular nga verse John 3 : 16

For GOD so loved the world that He gave His only Begotten SON that whosoever beliveth in HIM should not perish but have an everlasting life.

Naa bay gi-ingon nga ang church ra? WALA, upon the whole world meaning tanan.
mao na ang ka pait ninyo rc, kay magbuhatbuhat mo inyong interpretasyun sa Bible. kunuhaay ma quote sa Bible unya sariling interpretasyun ang buhaton nga ang Bible klaro man sa iyang gipasabot.

you are standing on dangerous grounds rc. ayaw ka silaw ug ka mangha ana inyong leader nga kulto kaayo. read it and allow the Bible to interpret itself. If it make sense make no other sense. makit-an man sayun ang mga ga-pangap lang.

[r0mm3L]

ako kay mo tuo man ko nga ma luwas pako bisag 10 yrs nako walay simba simba

tabla ra kog sheep nga na wala, nya gipangita sa sheperd

ang sheperd naa pa sa israel cge pangita nako, ako abot nako sa pilipinas, but he'll difinetely find me

mao nay gi ingon sa parable, wala lang ko kbaw asa na nga bersiculo sa bibliya

[rcruman]

3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
1 timothy 2:3-4

Yeah Because Jesus Christ is also GOD our Savior. There is but one Savior and that is the man Jesus Christ. wala gyud dha gisulti nga ang Amahan ang mo save sa mga katawhan ug si Christ ra ang ma save sa Iglesia. another false teaching by cults, twisting the word of GOD and dividing the Triune GOD of the Bible.

So you mean in this verse Apostle Paul's epistle to Timothy is pertaining to Jesus Christ?
Wala diha sa ana nga verse pero si Paul iya gi-explain sa scope sa salvation ni Christ.

Read again Ephesians 5:23.

23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

Og everytime momention si Pablo og "God" kay ang Dios Amahan na.

1Jn 4:14
And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent His Son to be the Savior of the world.
Savior of the world naha dili of the church.

Sure ka world nga tanan?
Mao ni iya ingon bro, nga "to be the Savior of the world" kay tawagon pa niya ang gusto maluwas dli kay luwas tanan.
Og mao ni iya ingon:

19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

John 15:19-20

so si Cristo kay iya gipili og gikuha sa kalibutan ang mga Cristiano og ang ila gibuhat kay dili na para sa kalibutan kungdi ang ila gibuhat ang kabubut-on sa Ginoo.
Og dili na physical nga kalibutan nga "but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you."
kung di ang kalibutan nga iya pasabot kay:

15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
1 John 2:15-16

so gikuha ni Cristo ang mga Cristiano gikan sa mga buhat nga naa sa kalibutan.
og ang ginoo sa kalibutan kay si:

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
2 Corinthians 4:4.

Awa ha ang pinaka popular nga verse John 3 : 16

For GOD so loved the world that He gave His only Begotten SON that whosoever beliveth in HIM should not perish but have an everlasting life.

Naa bay gi-ingon nga ang church ra? WALA, upon the whole world meaning tanan.
mao na ang ka pait ninyo rc, kay magbuhatbuhat mo inyong interpretasyun sa Bible. kunuhaay ma quote sa Bible unya sariling interpretasyun ang buhaton nga ang Bible klaro man sa iyang gipasabot.

Church? wala sa John 3:16 kay naa sa laing verses.
Kay kung mutuo ka ni Cristo musunod ka niya og si Cristo kay mao ang:

6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
Hebrews 3:6

og ingon si Cristo:
26 If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.
John 12:26

so aron ka maluwas kung asa si Cristo adto pud ka, kung asa siya nanawag adto pud ka.

1 Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,
2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:
1 Corinthians 1:1-2

so karon bro tigaan tikag chance or patuyangan tika, asa sa John 3:16 nga Fellowship ra og dili Church?

you are standing on dangerous grounds rc. ayaw ka silaw ug ka mangha ana inyong leader nga kulto kaayo. read it and allow the Bible to interpret itself. If it make sense make no other sense. makit-an man sayun ang mga ga-pangap lang.

aw maayo nalang nasilaw ko sa leader nga ang pulong supportahan gyud og verses og sumpay ang verses dili selective nga pabor sa unod/flesh.
Para sa imo nagpanggap mi pero para sa amo kamo kay wala kahibalo kay:

14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
Matthew 15:14

Peace!

[dartzed]

subjective pana kay "maluwas" so naa pay basehan aron maluwas inig human nimog repent og kini mao ang pagtuman sa iya mga pulong or tanan niyang gisugo.

Matthew 28:19-20

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Peace!

hehehe mao vah?.. but u have a point somehow... is that the reason y kusog au ka mugamit sa bible?.. like f mangutana cla nmo then imo tubagon pinaagi sa verse sa bible?..

[Mr.Ho_chia]

RC walay galalis nimo nga si CHRIST is not the head of the Church and that He is not the savior of the church, kay tanang tao nga will come to the saving knowledge of GOD and respond to it will be part of the Church that Christ is the savior. mao btaw nga church kay na luwas na na cla ug ang mangluluwas si CHRIST.

HE is the savior of the world (Jesus Christ) but naay condition dong, for those who will believe in HIM. dka ka sabot sa imong gibasa? aw dili nana nako sala kung dka ka -g.

naa ba d i gi-ingon nga tanan na maluwas, mbasaha balik kay mura na kutaw imong utok nag lisod ka, Masave lang if you will believe. pagka nalang gyud. rc, sorry to say ha sa HR mankaha ka gawork, ngano dili man ka kasabot sa imong gibasa? maglisod lagi ka? may i know what company imong gitrabaho-an? kay kaluoy pud oi. HR personnel nila maglisod sabot sa simple ra.

Aw, another issue na kay wala man mo tuo that Christ is GOD also, dba? to me, GOD the Father, GOD the Son and GOD the Holy Spirit, three persons as one GOD.

sige gyud ka explica about sa world nga dili angay, ang salvation sa pagkamatay ni Lord Jesus Christ is not automatic, salvation is given for the world to those who believe in HIM. so ayaw ko lecture nga mura ka nagtuo nga tanan na ang maluwas, ok? kasabot naka? binisaya nana ha.

Tuo Ko ani: sakto kaayo ni:
6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
Hebrews 3:6

og ingon si Cristo:
26 If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.
John 12:26

wala koy problema ana. but ang imong own interpretation astang lihisa.

14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
Matthew 15:14

exactly bro, i suggest don't follow your blind leader blindly kay awa ang Bible, dako babala for you. you will surely fall into the ditch.

[rcruman]

hehehe mao vah?.. but u have a point somehow... is that the reason y kusog au ka mugamit sa bible?.. like f mangutana cla nmo then imo tubagon pinaagi sa verse sa bible?..

Yes and it should be the case in any discussion.
CHrist is our leader and His words should be preached not our won words.
Because our own words will change or will differ from time to time but His words will last until Eternal life. It should be written.

PEace!

[IdontCare]

@RCRUMAN

Bro wa naka nitubag nako sa akong counterpoints? So undang nata? hehehe