Die, brod, Die!

[darkdevil]

maybe..just maybe one reason why this tradition still happen
is its intend to get even in your initation...

[yokam]

no, that is still not a valid reason for me...capital punishment when done by parents is even punishable by law..what you just reasoned out is tantamount to dictatorship..you put the pledgee in a situation that she cant complain and for sure if you got a real brainy one who can keep you arguing, it aint lookng pretty coz you are going to be pissed, why not just go through legit rituals, daghan options that can instill genuine learning and loyalty other than inflicting harm...just my two cents worth, daghan naman gud namatay ana, and oh by the way, if you know about the hazing, you can still be charged as an accessory or accomplice..withholding vital information to aid the commission of a crime is punishable by law as well

That's your own view and in the first place you don't even know how we paddle. As I pointed out, I and all of my brods and sis has undergone the traditional hazing and it hurts, it really hurts and we even don't have a single idea why it's done that way, only in that way in the first place. We opened it up, gave some new alternatives and since then, our fraternity has changed ways.

Put in a situation where he/she can't complain? Dictatorship? I guess I have clearly stated that he/she can voice out or ask freely if he/she had any doubts regarding our views. We give and explain everything out before giving some baptismal rights. What we say is what we do, nothing more and nothing less. We always make it a point that our pledgee knows what he/she is getting into. We're transparent and we even tell them ahead about the possible paddling if such assignments are not met. And if our views contradict his/hers? No more arguments needed, he/she can back out anytime as simple as that. We're not forcing anyone to join us and we're not forcing ourselves either.

And speaking about intellectuals? We're just a small fraternity exclusive for a specific college degree/major in one of the bigger universities here in Cebu. All of our brods and sis and all of our alumni are educated people and for sure these kind of people are not the kind of people who will just let up, these are the kind of people who won't give up without giving a fight (in the right sense and for the right cause). You're right, we have been into situations wherein there are pledgees that will really question and will give a challenge. Yet given proper and respectful explanation, they just understand. It's either they continue or they quit.

Our group is bound by rules, just like any other group, organization or establishments out there. Persons who are well-educated and have grounded values knows what rules are and why are they there. The paddling that I mentioned as the last resort is part of that rules, the last option of the so-called rituals if everything is not satisfactory or a total failure. Having an educated or a school-going pledgee, we have high regard for them and respect them but if they want to join the group, they're bound to the rules, the same rules we're bound to. And on our part that we're being transparent to them, we leave them to decide for themselves.

[marc francis]

That's your own view and in the first place you don't even know how we paddle. As I pointed out, I and all of my brods and sis has undergone the traditional hazing and it hurts, it really hurts and we even don't have a single idea why it's done that way, only in that way in the first place. We opened it up, gave some new alternatives and since then, our fraternity has changed ways.

Put in a situation where he/she can't complain? Dictatorship? I guess I have clearly stated that he/she can voice out or ask freely if he/she had any doubts regarding our views. We give and explain everything out before giving some baptismal rights. What we say is what we do, nothing more and nothing less. We always make it a point that our pledgee knows what he/she is getting into. We're transparent and we even tell them ahead about the possible paddling if such assignments are not met. And if our views contradict his/hers? No more arguments needed, he/she can back out anytime as simple as that. We're not forcing anyone to join us and we're not forcing ourselves either.

And speaking about intellectuals? We're just a small fraternity exclusive for a specific college degree/major in one of the bigger universities here in Cebu. All of our brods and sis and all of our alumni are educated people and for sure these kind of people are not the kind of people who will just let up, these are the kind of people who won't give up without giving a fight (in the right sense and for the right cause). You're right, we have been into situations wherein there are pledgees that will really question and will give a challenge. Yet given proper and respectful explanation, they just understand. It's either they continue or they quit.

Our group is bound by rules, just like any other group, organization or establishments out there. Persons who are well-educated and have grounded values knows what rules are and why are they there. The paddling that I mentioned as the last resort is part of that rules, the last option of the so-called rituals if everything is not satisfactory or a total failure. Having an educated or a school-going pledgee, we have high regard for them and respect them but if they want to join the group, they're bound to the rules, the same rules we're bound to. And on our part that we're being transparent to them, we leave them to decide for themselves.

-exactly my point! thanks yokam. the thing that people dont understand is that when it comes to fraternities they tend to think about college men going happy-go-lucky and doing nothing with their lives thats why really it is so hard to explain. not only that but you also get this members from other frats "kuno" who tend to portray that picture. but the thing is not all frats are like that, depende na lang talaga kung anu ang frat na pinili mo. if you happen to make a crappy decision well what do you get? a crappy frat with low-life brods and easy to get sisses who knows nothing but to waste their times and proclaiming that they are the best. the funny thing is kung sino yung di kumikibo yun ang may nararating. on the other hand there is this certain part of a minority, a very, very small part that still believes in camaraderie and friendship found within the true fraternity. like i said before and like what yokam said, we make it known to the neophytes what they are getting into. and like them, we also making paddling as the last resort. neophytes are never lied to why should we when lives are at stake? and what intellectuals? did you know that almost all of our presidents have been an alumnus of some fraternity? did you know that presidents from other countries as well even the poor ones like in africa are members of frats as well? did you know that some of the bands, actors even religious people you see on tv are fratmen? now tell me if frats are really that bad then why did they join given their high intelligence? know your facts before judging, know the facts that there is a minority out there who actually cares more about hitting the books rather than vandalizing their names on the public wall. step in a fratmans shoe, the true fratman and you'll see fraternities isnt all what you thought it would be.

as for chris, i know it all seems bad but like i said, he knew what he was getting into. he knew that there was a 50% chance he'll die. he knew that he could still have a good career without ever becoming a fratman. he knew he could still be a UP alumni and make a name for himself in whatever field without ever joining sigma rho. he knew the risk and still he took it.

[marc francis]

maybe..just maybe one reason why this tradition still happen
is its intend to get even in your initation...

nope. its never about getting even. its never about "pinalo ako kaya dpata paluin kita" thought or "napahiya ako kaya dapat mapahiya ka din" thought. its all about teaching someone to be a leader and learning how to make a stand when the right time comes. perfect example is the military, specifically PMA. what do you think will happen if you took their initiations away? would they be brave enough to protect our rotten country? would they be strong enough to risk their lives for their fellow filipinos? think about it??

[monrose29]

nope. its never about getting even. its never about "pinalo ako kaya dpata paluin kita" thought or "napahiya ako kaya dapat mapahiya ka din" thought. its all about teaching someone to be a leader and learning how to make a stand when the right time comes. perfect example is the military, specifically PMA. what do you think will happen if you took their initiations away? would they be brave enough to protect our rotten country? would they be strong enough to risk their lives for their fellow filipinos? think about it??

is there any foul play during initiations? or lets say only this part of the body can be hit by paddle, or u can hit him any parts of his body?

i dont think so that bravery can be get in to initiations, bravery comes also from the heart,

[bisaya70]

I have been away for a while, I am sure I have missed a lot......Di ba sa Cebu controversial man sad ni cya? Frat ba or gangs? Please fill me in.....thanks

[monrose29]

another question. medyo O.T neh sya but coz this is for all FRATERNITIES

when you are in to hazing do you have any doctors or physician who is observing on that activities? what if the new recruit cant take it all the pain? what you will do? continue or stop for a minute so he can recover then proceed...

[m1000]

-exactly my point! thanks yokam. the thing that people dont understand is that when it comes to fraternities they tend to think about college men going happy-go-lucky and doing nothing with their lives thats why really it is so hard to explain. not only that but you also get this members from other frats "kuno" who tend to portray that picture. but the thing is not all frats are like that, depende na lang talaga kung anu ang frat na pinili mo. if you happen to make a crappy decision well what do you get? a crappy frat with low-life brods and easy to get sisses who knows nothing but to waste their times and proclaiming that they are the best. the funny thing is kung sino yung di kumikibo yun ang may nararating. on the other hand there is this certain part of a minority, a very, very small part that still believes in camaraderie and friendship found within the true fraternity. like i said before and like what yokam said, we make it known to the neophytes what they are getting into. and like them, we also making paddling as the last resort. neophytes are never lied to why should we when lives are at stake? and what intellectuals? did you know that almost all of our presidents have been an alumnus of some fraternity? did you know that presidents from other countries as well even the poor ones like in africa are members of frats as well? did you know that some of the bands, actors even religious people you see on tv are fratmen? now tell me if frats are really that bad then why did they join given their high intelligence? know your facts before judging, know the facts that there is a minority out there who actually cares more about hitting the books rather than vandalizing their names on the public wall. step in a fratmans shoe, the true fratman and you'll see fraternities isnt all what you thought it would be.

as for chris, i know it all seems bad but like i said, he knew what he was getting into. he knew that there was a 50% chance he'll die. he knew that he could still have a good career without ever becoming a fratman. he knew he could still be a UP alumni and make a name for himself in whatever field without ever joining sigma rho. he knew the risk and still he took it.

s for chris, i know it all seems bad but like i said, he knew what he was getting into. he knew that there was a 50% chance he'll die. he knew that he could still have a good career without ever becoming a fratman. he knew he could still be a UP alumni and make a name for himself in whatever field without ever joining sigma rho. he knew the risk and still he took it.

excuse me bro, but i just find this statement very irresponsible... c'mon, i think you shouldn't blame that kid, but rather the leaders behind that fraternity... kung naa pa to sila sa tarong na paghuhuna, dili to ma ingon ato. leader leader pay tawag sa ilang kaugalingon... pwei! leader ngali, responsiblee and accountable.

fraternity leader: you know what your getting into, you know you will die....
( hay ang kinabuhi pweti lang ka barato! kung ingon ani lang diay inyong mentality, maypa wala na lay fraternity, mura'g hilaw ni og paghuna huna da. unsa man tawn na oi

[thadzonline]

That's your own view and in the first place you don't even know how we paddle. As I pointed out, I and all of my brods and sis has undergone the traditional hazing and it hurts, it really hurts and we even don't have a single idea why it's done that way, only in that way in the first place. We opened it up, gave some new alternatives and since then, our fraternity has changed ways.

you dont have a single idea why it is done that way? and so is your pledgee? well, rational men question what is in it for them, I understand you are no robots, but this kind of a reasoning just goes to show that many of the fratmen who beat their recruits don't even have a good reason to say they have assimilated the principle behind hazing. AFter all, my friend, if you have to sell an idea, you have to be convinced about it yourself first..I am not against you, I am against hazing..just want to make that clear..my dad is a fratman himself, but for all the respect I have for him, that is one kind of reasoning I still dont agree with him

Put in a situation where he/she can't complain? Dictatorship? I guess I have clearly stated that he/she can voice out or ask freely if he/she had any doubts regarding our views. We give and explain everything out before giving some baptismal rights. What we say is what we do, nothing more and nothing less. We always make it a point that our pledgee knows what he/she is getting into. We're transparent and we even tell them ahead about the possible paddling if such assignments are not met. And if our views contradict his/hers? No more arguments needed, he/she can back out anytime as simple as that. We're not forcing anyone to join us and we're not forcing ourselves either.


And speaking about intellectuals? We're just a small fraternity exclusive for a specific college degree/major in one of the bigger universities here in Cebu. All of our brods and sis and all of our alumni are educated people and for sure these kind of people are not the kind of people who will just let up, these are the kind of people who won't give up without giving a fight (in the right sense and for the right cause). You're right, we have been into situations wherein there are pledgees that will really question and will give a challenge. Yet given proper and respectful explanation, they just understand. It's either they continue or they quit.

Yeah, you give them an option..in a kind of situation where they decide many times out of fear..that does not look like a real option to me..I know because I belong to an organization whose process I have questioned..

Our group is bound by rules, just like any other group, organization or establishments out there. Persons who are well-educated and have grounded values knows what rules are and why are they there. The paddling that I mentioned as the last resort is part of that rules, the last option of the so-called rituals if everything is not satisfactory or a total failure. Having an educated or a school-going pledgee, we have high regard for them and respect them but if they want to join the group, they're bound to the rules, the same rules we're bound to. And on our part that we're being transparent to them, we leave them to decide for themselves.

rules are only as good as long as they remain relevant..in this case, hazing has gone passe and illegal and it is no longer relevant if the law bans it

[tagur0]

usa sa purpose ngano dili ni mawala ang hazing, kay parehas gud sa military na ang mga previous trainees gi hazing man gyud ug tarong, mao nang ila sad nang gi buhat sa mga neophytes.

monrose, usually wala gyuy doctor ga alirong ana inig buhat nila ana, ang naa tingali na mo preside kana master initiator then usahay hubog pa gyud..hehehehe...miss the college days.