nganong gi-discourage nga ma-Software Tester?

[basa^2]

Naa man Developer naa pud Functional, functional cla moy mo atubang sa client para mag data gathering and etc.
most cases cla pud mag test.
eg. SAP and PeopleSoft

imo pasabot boss, functional testers? depende sa company process pero oo usually functional testers mu adtu sa client nya mangayo ug data and information regarding the scope of the testing they are about to do. this is also with other types of testing, like performance testing, ang mga performance engineers/analyst mu adto sa client unya mangayu ug non-functional requirements/data/information nga magamit nila sa ilang testing.

or ang imong pasabot boss kay functional testers which gather data because they are doing static testing "planning phase" sa project? nya mas grabe sila ug contact with the ba's pra sa mga information.

all in all boss, depende sa imong role kung tester ka ug ikaw ba mu buhat ana. pero more of a mid-senior level ang mu buhat ani. sa ako lang nabantayan ha.

pa taas pra ma engganyo si ts nga mag tester

[yhokz101]

sa karon akng trabaho as tester/quality engr.. usa ra ako masulti .. you have to love your work para dli kapoy ug bug-at sa imong dughan. Kay if dili nimo gusto imo trabaho kuwang ka sa determination ug passion wala ra ghapon. mao na maski asa ka na level pa kung imo jud passion dli jd na kapoy o stressful. usa pa kung naa na pod kay gibuhi na pamilya, maski unsa pa na kapoy na kayahon jd nmo na. So ang pagpa "tester" dli na yano na trabaho.. naay uban mo ingon na mas ok mag Dev, some people prefer nila mag dev/programmer kay ila naman na love ila work / mao na ila path sa career pero dli nmo ma ingon na mas labaw ang dev kaysa tester kay same ra na sila trabaho.. kung asa ang mas lisod aww mao lage sa ako ingon depende ra sa imong kaugalingon. maski cguro janitor ka nya bug-at sa imong buot lisod jd na nga work para nimo.

[basa^2]

offtopic: pra nako boss murag lisud man ang trabaho sa janitor. hehe. halos tnan taw mu look down nmo. pait kaayo. ni agi man ko pagka janitor sa una. hehehehe.

btaw boss, naa kay point, pero naa lang pd koy ipuno, like, nka experience ko sa una nga naay isa ka trabahante. gnahan kaayo siya sa iyang career. unya gnahan pd siya mu angat. (ana jd bya na) pero pag kahimo niyang manager, bsan unsa pa niya ka love iyang trabaho, wa man siyay ayo. some skills kay dpat natural. some kay makat-unan. so, bsan gi unsa pa niyag love/pa gana sa iyang trabaho, wa man siyay padulngan, ni undang nalng siya ni balik siya sa iyang agi kay dli iyang skill mahimong manager.

some are born to be programmers, some are testers. Whatever you may be working as, you don't have the right to say your better and you are doing more than what other people do. the market is broad and there are lots of people doing some small things but earn more than us. some do some really hard things but earn less. they are better, they are richer but you wouldn't know all these things by just saying what you do and that you are better.

basi nagka liko2 akong ininglis. hahaha. pis.

sa ako lang kumpanya karon, ang devs namo kay amo gi tudluan ug testing. ang testers gi tudluan pd sa devs. and that is pure team work. result kay mas nindot ug quality ang software nga among gi deliver. kay highly critical software/info man gd. at all sides of the cube risky. so kelangan high quality. dli lang sa dev part or sa testing part.

*bow*

btw, TS. unsa naman imong disisyon? ug imo nang gi atubang ang imong propesor?

[SioDenz]

Mas maayu kamao mo mag-develop og software.. di pa mo ana, maka himo mo'g inyo nga software.. inig kamao na mo himo og software, pwede na kaayu mo mag freelance.. ^_^

daghan ko kaila nga developers, after working for pila ka years, nag home based or freelance developer..

ambot lang pud kung naa ba'y freelance nga software tester..

You cant release a Product without any testing, Panahon ni Mampor pa nang development nga way testing phase. Sa techonology nga compicated karun, part sa development ang testing.

Unless imung website isa or duha ra page, No need to test...

[SioDenz]

Job Description palang daan. Layu na siya og biya. Thats why no doubt
programmers has higher payout.

As Tester.
-you are limit only to test the software and also will do the documentation BUT you can't DEBUG or FIX those certain ISSUE/BUGS.

Wrong, How can you Properly test sa Software if you dont know how its Build? DILI tanan Testing UI ra.. Dunay Firmware Testing, Unit Testing, Path testing, etc etc that need test engineer to know how to trace and Debug.

And why would a tester FIX the bug nga di man iyang buhat?

While as Programmer/Developer
-You will develop the software at the same time you can TEST the software as well. Purpose ra gyud anang tester
is they will (MALMAL) the created/develop application if what are other possible loopholes in the system.

Because software developer doesn't have much time to THROUGHLY TEST the software base on my experience. Once mo gawas ang exact output through sample TESTING.

Move to tester nana ang develop na software. After that if no bugs/loopholes. for approval na daun para update.

You cannot FIND all the Bugs for a Software nga Ikaw mismo naghimu, Mao nay CARNAL RULE sa software Development - MAO PART sa development and TESTING.

The salary between Tester nad dev in a certain company MAY be Different BUT its IGNORANT to say that in our Current SOFTWARE development industry, TESTING is NOT an important part sa Success sa isa ka Product. UNLESS we are talking about Website nga Isa or Duha ra ka Page...

[SioDenz]

I agree walay application nga 100% bug free and I know testing is very important but if I am the boss I would prefer to hire developers that knows how to test rather than people who solely focus on testing.

Youre talking about How big the Projects are?
Coz As Far i Know, Multi National R&D company have Separate Dept for Testing and Dev...

Most programmers I know kay responsible gyud
mag test. Like sa ako lang kay dili ko comfortable if wla koy test cases i create. Mas easier pud to refactor if naa na kay test cases.

Its a Known Standard in SOftware Development industry that Developers SHOULD DO at least a UNIT test of their Code before Releasing a build to the QA...

[INFRACTION]

kailangan ghapon mga testers kai if mga dev ra mag test kai naai bias sa ilang unit test, basig gi mean sa TS ang software manual testing, nindot unta if gi encourage tong naai sa testing field na mag automation or develop test engineering practices

another factor maybe ang pay sa swtester compared sa swdev, then lastly ang career path sab

[SioDenz]

Sa ubang nasud karun, Over Supply na ang Dev, Daghan bakante sa Testing...

sa Australia nag Over Quota na uban sa Developers kay daghan na kaayu mga nag Migrate nga dev.

Bisag Ngilngig paka sa Humba pagka Dev if wa nay Quota di na ghapon ka maka sulod makapangita ug work..

[basa^2]

kailangan ghapon mga testers kai if mga dev ra mag test kai naai bias sa ilang unit test, basig gi mean sa TS ang software manual testing, nindot unta if gi encourage tong naai sa testing field na mag automation or develop test engineering practices

another factor maybe ang pay sa swtester compared sa swdev, then lastly ang career path sab

swtester kay broad ra kaayo. nya, mura dli ko mu agree nga ang dev mas dako sweldo sa tnan tester mag depende na sa specialized testing.

best example for this is security testers (sw tester ghapon ni sila). Some companies they are earning 2 times sa devs. pero most of the other companies kay more than the devs jd. they are highly specialized testers. They started as QA/swtesters and worked their way up with international certifications about security/hacking + experience.

pero naa pud mga specialized developers like someone I know from SG nga naa na ron sa Australia which was my colleague on my previous company nga she was earning more than her manager. she was a .net developer with 10 MS certifications. karon ambut nalng kaha.

saktu ka sa ikaduha nga factor. but this should be the first and will be depending on (experience-skillset) kun mag hisgut man ug “pay/rate”

[©harlie M©]

Sa ako na g ka ingon sa ako previous post #32 ..... nga ang sweldo mag depende na sa responsibility sa tester/dev sa project.

"Simple" scenario pra less complicated .... sa usa k project naa na cya allocated nga budget if ikaw ang head (provided you have the access to the budget) ana nga project k you have to pick a team (dev/tester lng ato focus pra to stay on topic) to make the project happen. To spend the budget wisely you have to distribute it among your team. Kung sa tan.aw nmo k ang responsibility k parehas ra so e split nmo 50/50 ang sweldo sa dev n tester, if you think its a 70/30 or a 40/60 so let it be.

Mag depende na sa company kung how they look at you as a contributor sa ila company. K sa business perspective if you contribute more means more money. Mao na gaan kag bug.at nga responsibilidad k nag expect cla nmo to contribute more to help the company earn more money....

Sa g pang post sa mga bangi.itang testers diri nga mag depende na sa specialization. If your a test specialist with high responsibility so taga.an kag insakto pud nga sweldo, if dev specialist pud ka.... aw taga.an pud ka imo sakto pud nga sweldo.

Kung ang nahitabo k you think nga mas dako ang responsibility nmo as a tester kysa dev or the other way around?.. Then re-evaluate your status for your next move.....