Is the US screwing third world countries like the Philippines?

[jay_sn0w]

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yup...prety much but the ques. is a bit one sided i tink..the choices are limited..n may cause sum answers to be bias...sum people myt hav a chang in heart not hving heard the other side of the story or opion..f sumbody is hurt by my statmnts..well im just saying my views..evry1 has the ryt..

so beter f a new topic is made..peace

[jay_sn0w]

@weed- nyc point sir zu..prety blunt but prety true..

[Spec-V]

Well, lets see this or any other south east asian country stand on its own two feet without the chinese! If the chinese ever pull out of the philippines, i'm sorry, but we will all have to eat shit! At least the chinese are just in it for business, look at the US... They build up an ally one day, then bomb the shit out of him the next! They do not give a rat's ass about anything except world domination!

Remember Saddam? Who armed him? Take a wild guess...?

It was the French, Italians, U.S. & the Nato Allies armed Saddam - in order to Counter the Iranian Offensive towards Iraq. Nato have a beef w/ the Ayatollah due to the overtrhowing of the Shah of Iran.

The Taliban... Who armed them? Hmmm?

The Nato Allies, the U.S. provide them w/ stinger missiles to counter the Hind Choppers of Russia. It was the Cold War era. An enemy of my enemy is my friend. Time all change that, Friends can be enemies & Enemies can be Freinds. Its the harsh Truth & Reality in the History of Men.

We are only "ALLIES" while they know that we can be of use to them as an emergency Center of Operations in Asia... until the day we say "no more!", and then they will spin some story about the Philippines being the terrorist hub of asia, and then BLAM! Bombs and Napalm for breakfast, my friend...

Frankly, after they were booted out from Subic & Clark - The Philippines & The U.S. has maintain good relations. Despite all the Anti-U.S. Rhetoric, still the U.S. is there to lend a hand whenever the Philippine government ask for assistance. Fact - The U.S. has nothing to gain from the philiipines; NOTHING! If there is...please name some in which the U.S. can Gain something from the Philippines.

The US PEDDLES WAR. Bush and his cohorts are into WEAPONS MANUFACTURING and OIL. WAR and OIL are big money... in the BILLIONS of US$... Now, which politician do you know would not sell their mother for that kind of money...?

That is your own Political analysis in which..- it doesn't hold any candle.

Why, do any of you, deep down, REALLY think that they L-O-V-E us, the 'natives' of this 'banana republic'? That they are really out there to fight for our rights and to make sure that we have food on our tables? Why, they couldn't even love their own "Injuns" and "N*ggers"... C'mon, some of you have some serious "white man idolatry" issues going on...

The persecution of The American natives was the bitter part of U.S. History in the Wild West. Time Heals all wounds...All the American Indians or even an Individual has a slightest trace of American Indain, They are entitled free hosptialization & they dont require to pay taxes. For the Afro/American, it was the English that brought them here. And it was the Dutch who started the Slave Trade. The American Civil War change all that. And they thrive just like any Ethnic Immigrants who came here & made a better life. You Rant about Discrmiantion...well infact "Discrimination" is very evident in the Philippines. Look around you....A pure Blooded Filipino cant marry a Chinese/Flipina. Sales people @ Malls are not treated fairly. No Leave benefits, you dont report to work even how sick you are, They dont pay you that day. They can get away w/ crime by paying the government. In the Philppines, the Law is Gray. Poor Folks cant have fairplay w/ the Rich Chinese. Tsk...Tsk..Tsk..


And le'eme ask you this, who is the Largest contributor in The U.N.?

[weedmeister2]

It was the French, Italians, U.S. & the Nato Allies armed Saddam - in order to Counter the Iranian Offensive towards Iraq. Nato have a beef w/ the Ayatollah due to the overtrhowing of the Shah of Iran.

The Nato Allies, the U.S. provide them w/ stinger missiles to counter the Hind Choppers of Russia. It was the Cold War era. An enemy of my enemy is my friend. Time all change that, Friends can be enemies & Enemies can be Freinds. Its the harsh Truth & Reality in the History of Men.

Which just proves my theory that the US will BACKSTAB anyone when the need arises, in order for them to get a better foothold in their campaign for world domination. Like you said "Its the harsh Truth & Reality in the History of Men."

Fact - The U.S. has nothing to gain from the philiipines; NOTHING! If there is...please name some in which the U.S. can Gain something from the Philippines.

Oh, nothing much, just the BEST STRATEGIC LOCATION IN ASIA. Poised to strike at any asian country and parts of Russia, and without any bordering nation. Where else will they have an Ops Center in Asia? Korea? China? Indonesia? Malaysia?

That is your own Political analysis in which..- it doesn't hold any candle.

How about this candle: http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle3309.htm


The Bush-Carlyle Connection
There’s no business like war business

By William Bowles

(Information Clearing House) There are so many connections between the Bushes, the ‘Defence’ establishment, the global trade in arms, that the mind boggles. That it barely gets a mention in the mainstream media (except of course, to simply ‘report’ it) is a scandal of the grandest proportions. But it only goes to show the power of big business and the political class they have installed in both the US and the UK (after all, John Major is employed by the Carlyle Group and BAE Systems, the major arms supplier to the UK, is part-owned by Carlyle). Not only the connections beggar belief but the sheer hypocrisy of the Bush government should put it in a new category in the Guinness Book of Records! As you’ll see from just of a few of the links to information on Carlyle below, their tentacles extend to many of the armed conflicts going on in the world. There’s no business like war business!

I’ve presented them in no particular order, the common denominator is the Bush family.

"Arms Buildup Enriches Firm Staffed by Big Guns"

Defense: Ex-president and other elites are behind weapon-boosting Carlyle Group.

By Mark Fineman, Times Staff Writer January 10 2002

Source: http://www.truthout.org/docs_01/01.11F.Arms.Carlyle.htm

"The Best Enemies Money Can Buy"

From Hitler To Saddam Hussein to Osama bin Laden - Insider Connections and the Bush Family's Partnership with Killers of Americans

Brown Brothers, Harriman - BNL- and the Carlyle Group By Michael C. Ruppert

Source: http://www.fromthewilderness.com/fre...1_carlyle.html

"Legal Group Blasts Papa Shrub on Bin Laden Link"

Bush Sr. Could Profit From War by Geoffrey Gray October 11th, 2001, Village Voice

Source: http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0141/gray.php

"BUSH WATCH…BUSH MONEY"

Source: http://www.bushwatch.com/bushmoney.htm

"CHRONOLOGY: The Bushes And The Carlyle Group" Bushnews.com

Source: http://www.bushnews.com/bushcarlyle.htm

"The Bush-Carlyle Group Archive" Buzzflash

A link to a number of links on the Carlyle Group

Source: http://www.buzzflash.com/perspective...h-Carlyle.html

Carlyle's way Making a mint inside "the iron triangle" of defense, government, and industry. By Dan Briody January 8, 2002 Red Herring

Source: http://www.redherring.com/vc/2002/0111/947.html

"The Carlyle Group" Spectrazine

Alfred Mendes looks at a single US investment corporation and asks some pertinent questions about democracy, terrorism and power.

Source: http://www.spectrezine.org/global/carlyle.htm

"Crony Reform" Slate

How the access capitalists at the Carlyle Group became real businessmen.

By Daniel Gross Tuesday, April 15, 2003

Source: http://slate.msn.com/id/2081572/

"The Big Guns: The Carlyle Group and Defense Lobbying" OpenSecrets.org

Source: http://www.opensecrets.org/alerts/v6/alertv6_52.asp

"The Carlyle Group; Elder Bush in Big G.O.P. Cast Toiling for Top Equity Firm" by Leslie Wayne Monday, March 5, 2001, New York Times

Source: http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/0305-03.htm

"The Pakistan-India conflict is being funded and fomented by the same faces that brought you the war on terrorism"

A particularly evil manifestation of the arms business is the one in the on-going low intensity war between in India and Pakistan and the Carlyle Group’s role in it

Source: http://www.propagandamatrix.com/pakistan_india.html

"US arms group heads for Lisbon: The Carlyle Group, integrated by the Bush and bin Laden families awarded a billion dollar contract to "rebuild Iraq" 6 April 2003

Source: http://globalresearch.ca/articles/NEW304A.html

"Bush's Favorite Terrorist Buddy & Carlyle Group (Bush, Sr. Etc) Profits Increasing From Afghan War"

Source: http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_profits.htm

"Former President Bush Works for International Investment Firm With Ties To Saudi Arabia" - Company Had Bin Laden Family Connections Judicial Watch

Source: http://www.judicialwatch.org/1685.shtml

"Meet the Carlyle Group"

How will President George W. Bush personally make million$, if not billion$ from the War on Terror? The easy way. He’ll inherit it. Former World Leaders and Washington Insiders Making Billions in the War on Terrorism

Source: http://www.angelfire.com/indie/pearl...h-carlyle.html

"Carlyle group scandal"

Source: http://linkthing.com/screed/carlyle_group_cluster.html

The persecution of The American natives was the bitter part of U.S. History in the Wild West. Time Heals all wounds...All the American Indians or even an Individual has a slightest trace of American Indain, They are entitled free hosptialization & they dont require to pay taxes. For the Afro/American, it was the English that brought them here. And it was the Dutch who started the Slave Trade. The American Civil War change all that. And they thrive just like any Ethnic Immigrants who came here & made a better life.

Like in Abu-Ghraib?

You Rant about Discrmiantion...well infact "Discrimination" is very evident in the Philippines. Look around you....A pure Blooded Filipino cant marry a Chinese/Flipina. Sales people @ Malls are not treated fairly. No Leave benefits, you dont report to work even how sick you are, They dont pay you that day. They can get away w/ crime by paying the government. In the Philppines, the Law is Gray. Poor Folks cant have fairplay w/ the Rich Chinese. Tsk...Tsk..Tsk..

Hehehe, i don't have to look far. I married into an affluent Chinese family. I was embraced and not given a hard time. And nope, I'm not Chinese, not a single drop of chinese blood in me. For the record, I am French-Filipino. And no, I'm not rich. So as you can see, I am speaking from experience. Are you?

And le'eme ask you this, who is the Largest contributor in The U.N.?

So, is that why they can just ignore the UN's mandates? Remember the early stages of Iraq? What did the UN do? Did they place any sanctions on the US? Hell no! They put their tail in between their legs and whimpered away... Why? Well, they did not want to lose their budget, did they? The UN is a puppet, plain and simple.

[vern]

I've heard this rant and propaganda from others like weedmeister. Please take and share it with people like you who have nothing better to do than cook up anti-US propaganda. You are French-Filipino ... how am I not surprised all this coming from someone with French ties? Stop being so sore that the French don't matter anymore especially now that we make better croissants. Look at all those "factual links" ... kinda funny they all come from sites which have already made up their mind.

[godCode]

if you all read about world history, tanan man siguro mga powerful nations are guilty of screwing someone else's nation.. mao bitaw na himo na sila ug world power (and theyll do everything to retain that title). but worrry not dudes, because coutries like america (which ye all consider a bully) will eventually fall down too, pero mao lagi na, ang mo puli would still be a bully.

whether amerika is a bully or not, ill stil thank them for putting an effort in stopping the rapid spread of Communism, Islam and Japanese Imperialism (during world war ii) ...

[reygie]

@godCode -- Agree ko nimo bro. :mrgreen:

[estebanJOBS]

@istoryador

Blaming the US for the Phils being in a screwed up position?!
Where does that logic come from?
Its like you screwing up and blaming your mother that you were born.

On the other hand, i wont be quick to blame politicians as well. We should blame ourselves for voting them into power.

Vote wisely! :mrgreen:

... naks, murag nangampanya

[Spec-V]

Which just proves my theory that the US will BACKSTAB anyone when the need arises, in order for them to get a better foothold in their campaign for world domination. Like you said "Its the harsh Truth & Reality in the History of Men."

We dont backstab anyone, it is always us being stab @ the back. Who started World War II? The Gulf-War? 9-11? And dont start jibberin about these Conspicary Theories of yours which by the way fell on deaf ears. Your source the Internet?!! Phuleazzee...your just any other Joe in town. You dont even work in a French Government Agency or Intell related. You dont know- Jack!

Oh, nothing much, just the BEST STRATEGIC LOCATION IN ASIA. Poised to strike at any asian country and parts of Russia, and without any bordering nation. Where else will they have an Ops Center in Asia? Korea? China? Indonesia? Malaysia?

Strategiccould be...but not necessary. We have Hawaii which is 5-6 Hours away by Plane. Japan always want us to stay. When we cut our forces in Asia especially in South Korea...They(South Korea) cried..."Dont do it" Theres nothing for the U.S. to Gain in the Philippines.

Like in Abu-Ghraib?

Its not a perfect world. But we did manage to contain & fix the issue. Those were guilty were tried & put into prison. Their careers in the service is so over. As the saying goes..."If I done good everyone ignores...but if I done something bad the whole world will know".

Hehehe, i don't have to look far. I married into an affluent Chinese family. I was embraced and not given a hard time. And nope, I'm not Chinese, not a single drop of chinese blood in me. For the record, I am French-Filipino. And no, I'm not rich. So as you can see, I am speaking from experience. Are you?

Then I think being a Moitié Asiatique/Français(lâche) pave the way for you...LOL. Experience Unfortunately yes...coz I am Filipino/Latino breed. But wait...you did not respond on the Employee & Employer issues in the Philippines....tsk...tsk...

So, is that why they can just ignore the UN's mandates? Remember the early stages of Iraq? What did the UN do? Did they place any sanctions on the US? Hell no! They put their tail in between their legs and whimpered away... Why? Well, they did not want to lose their budget, did they? The UN is a puppet, plain and simple.

Run for a Secretary General in the U.N. then....show them the right way.... And if you want to continue this endless barrage of Anti-U.S. propaganda, start another thread. This is going way Off Topic!

Mods: I think this is veering off to the thread topic, my apologies.

[weedmeister2]

I've heard this rant and propaganda from others like weedmeister. Please take and share it with people like you who have nothing better to do than cook up anti-US propaganda. You are French-Filipino ... how am I not surprised all this coming from someone with French ties? Stop being so sore that the French don't matter anymore especially now that we make better croissants. Look at all those "factual links" ... kinda funny they all come from sites which have already made up their mind.

But can you at least disprove the fact that the Bush family is tied to Carlyle, instead of trying to poison the well...?

Oh, and you're a site keeper sir, so hopefully, next time, you should know better than to insult me through your clearly racist, croissant comment. Try to debate what I said, and not who I am, else we will be no better than savages. I never commented on your Pan de Sal, did I?

Thank you.


@ Spec-V: When you rebutted, I just noticed that you used the term "We" each time you referred to the US... I guess you have your stand since Uncle Sam obviously puts food on your plate... I will go no further with this discussion as you are clearly biased and closed to further persuasion...



It seems that anything that goes against the thread of society and the lies spewed out by the Spin Doctors are quickly labelled as "Conspiracy Theories", especially in a country that is so enamored by anything "stateside"... Well let me tell you this, I may be of French-Filipino descent, but I can tell you that in my heart, I am 100% Filipino... That's more than I can say for some of our white-man-wannabe brothers... Obviously, some of our brethren would rather embrace the west and forget about our nipa huts, our rice fields, our negritos... That is not their fault, as it has been engrained and etched into their thinking... By who, you ask? Let me share with you what I learned first-hand, from one of the Philippines' most precious and treasured minds, F.Landa Jocano...



"If it were up to F. Landa Jocano, elementary school history classes would be very different.

"We need to revise history. Our history is the only one in the world where we concentrate on our faults or defeats rather than whatever success we have, or if we ever succeed, we never talk about the valor of the warriors."

As I was listening to him, he made a lot of sense. "What happened," he said, "After the Battle of Mactan..." A statue was built for Magellan, and as for Lapu-lapu, well, a fish was named after him. "This," he remarks, "Is how we 'honor' people who were prepared to die for the people."

After the Revolution against the Americans, it was the same. Our ancestors fought for every inch of our land, but afterwards, the Americans were glorified as heroes and Filipinos just labeled as 'insurrectos'. Notice how every street and bridge seems to have been named after the Americans, especially during that time.

This, and many other factors, Jocano says, made us grow up hating our own culture. Another major factor was the system of education introduced by our colonizers. The Spaniards, of course, provided no education but for the elite, and even when the Americans introduced an organized system for even the barrios, the things that were taught were not healthy for our national pride.

"We were taught that "A" is for "apple" and I thought I was a good pupil because during my formative years I kept running to the board and writing "A" is for "apple" but I had never seen one!"

"Maybe it was not intended," he adds, "But they never thought of teaching us our traditions. In our geography lessons, they reminded us of the smallest things in the world: the smallest fish in the world? Pandaca Pygmaea; the smallest monkeys? Tarsiers; the smallest deer? Mousedeer. Sometimes the lessons would end: Who are the smallest people in the world? Of course, it is us. We are negritos."

Modern psychologists, he suggests, might call it conditioning. There were subtle hints. "Ano ba'ng national flower natin? (What is out national flower?)"

"Sampaguita," I answer.

"Maliit (small)," he points out.

"Ano'ng national bird?"

"Maya," I breathe a sigh, thankful I remembered my grade school lessons.

"Everything is maliit (small) so Filipinos grew up with that concept. Even our roads our bridges are all narrow because our mindset was already formed. And there is an admiration of the bigness of the other. We became brown Americans. We are disgusted with our own culture."

This possibly inadvertent kind of conditioning also came out in the songs the American educators taught our young children. They taught "My nipa hut is very small", "Planting rice is never fun" and "I have two hands", which ends with "...clean little hands are good to see". "Think," Jocano urges, "who would like to go back to the farms because planting rice is never fun and clean little hands are good to see?"



So I guess, some of us just want to keep honoring the "mighty conquerors" who have brainwashed our people into thinking that we are worthless without them...

Forgive me when I say that I will not have any part in it.