Rumor: Palace gives out money to the church.... creepy...

[cerebus]

so i would say i will consider all EDSA events as power grab? what makes it any different anyway?
yeah... dayon ngano man to sa una lagi pag turn down nga i-open ang envelope, suko man au sila(r u included)

hmm... i don't know how to play with this nested quotes. anyway. i say yes to that. a power grab of the people. what differs is the timing: the combination of factors: who's the sitting president, the viable replacement and the political climate.

edsa 1 we got a dictator, a wife of a hero who probably won that election and the people who were desperate for a change. for the second one we got a 'bad' president, a promising replacement and people who were feed-up by the rumors (from the media?) about the 'bad' president and the climate of uncertainty caused by the impeachment with the 2nd envelope as the last straw.

the present situation lacks some or all the factors. the present president is not that bad as of the previous two. this is debatetable but i don't want to dwell on it. second, who's going to replace her? this one is also debatable. lastly the present climate have not reach, and will never reach the critical mass that will force people to take the street. there's no 'second envelope.'

i don't understand about the analogy between envelop and the lack of votes. the second envelop was not opened because they got the vote. the second impeachment will not be elevated to the senate because they lack the vote. ang tawo masuko jud na kung ang iya ganahan dili mahitabo. masuko ta pero we have to follow the rule or resort to people power or kudeta and what have you. be sure nga daug mo para dili mo mapreso.

[cerebus]

The cat is out of the bag. It is the same old elitist-clerico conspiracy to perpetuate socio-economic-political control in the hands of the rich. The poor will remain stunted, with so-called top priority pro-poor projects being virtual lip service. Big business will provide the wherewithal (1) to serve the comfort needs of the CBCP, and (2) to help facilitate the measures GMA needs to take in order to survive. The tyrant’s monolith shall keep its doors open to reward the hungry clerics and the crème of business and industry with whatever they need to spur business expansions and sustain the elitists’ position as the ruling class.

now you hate the bishops' guts. bravo. nice propaganda. i hope you substantiate your accusation or stop post messages like this.

10,000 to 15,000 per bishop? that's insulting.

[istoryador]

It is insolence on the part of Malacanang to assume that everything that she wants can be bought with money, that everyone has a price, and that all who can possibly say or do anything not in her favor can be heaped with bundles of money for them to either shut up or side with her.

Its also utter hypocrisy Malacañang's gibberish about the separation of the Church and state when the truth is that Arroyo has always been trying to inveigle the bishops to serve her politics and her government, to the extent of bribing them.

But when she cannot get what she wants from them, she sermonizes about the separation of church and state.

[wanderlust]

now you hate the bishops' guts. bravo. nice propaganda. i hope you substantiate your accusation or stop post messages like this.

10,000 to 15,000 per bishop? that's insulting.

He hates the guts of the bishops now because they won't support the impeachment. That's how hypocritical some anti-GMA people are.

It's usual practice for the president to host dinners and conduct meetings with religious leaders in line with her pro-poor programs. It's just like some people to inject innuendo into it to try to ruin the credibility of the bishops now that they are not supporting the impeachment. Desperate, sour losers.

[craz_beautiful_ava]

kung personal donation to the church from people from the malacañang jud diay to.. ge exagerate lang sa mga taga opposition nga "bribe" siya aron naay issue..

i don't think there's something wrong with giving to the church kung gikan lang sa kaugalingong bulsa..

most of the people here hates PGMA.. why??

[craz_beautiful_ava]

kabaw mo ang mga issue about philippine politics mura na mga blind item or chismis from the buzz or show's like that..

exagerated na kaayo ang mga storya..

daghan na puno..

daghan pud ug angle sa issue..

[wak_wak]

bisag isulti pana na donation, it is some kind of a bribe na pud na.. pang pa dulas...

[craz_beautiful_ava]

pero wala jud ta proof that it is pampadulas..bisan unsaon nato speculate..

[tackielarla]

we speculate too much kasi eh... bisan wa pay proof, guilty na. although it looks like bribery, its not unless proven otherwise.

[istoryador]

Funny. GMA gives donations and dinners everytime the CBCP will deliberate on her misdeeds.