MERGED: CPP-NPA-NDF Discussions (Issues, Updates, etc.)

[skobadagank]

for lechugas,

let us say for all intents and purposes that indeed you are as objective as you claim to be, then can you offer a solution to this recurring cycle of mudslinging and name calling of both the GRP and the NPA? and are you fighting for your due? for me, governments are always corrupt. what makes the NPA even more disgusting is the fact that they even turn to the people who they claim to prtoect and extorst money from them. ergo, that makes them no different from the governmenet? so whether we change our government with JOMA's communist government makes no difference actually. china, who claims to be pro poor is herself full of corrupt local and central committee party officials.

[salbahis]

for lechugas,

let us say for all intents and purposes that indeed you are as objective as you claim to be, then can you offer a solution to this recurring cycle of mudslinging and name calling of both the GRP and the NPA? and are you fighting for your due? for me, governments are always corrupt. what makes the NPA even more disgusting is the fact that they even turn to the people who they claim to prtoect and extorst money from them. ergo, that makes them no different from the governmenet? so whether we change our government with JOMA's communist government makes no difference actually. china, who claims to be pro poor is herself full of corrupt local and central committee party officials.

:mrgreen: very good that's a strike!

[pandisal]

You deny of not being a propagandist but all you wrote is what a propagandist does:

the aim of the CPP-NPA is to actively protect and fight for the rights of the Filipino people... and if in the course of fulfilling its duty, it must topple 'reactionary' governments and establish a communist one to better serve the interest of the masses, then so be it.

you believe so much on their propaganda that you yourself already is advocating on their acts...

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a communist propagandist? what is that? for anyone to call me as such, only shows how much that one really knows or understands... just because someone holds views different from your own, it does not give you the right to label that someone as something, and to call those views wretched or warped. in any well-thought conversation, it is normal for two people to have different views about certain points and matters, but for one to start to call the other names is a show of bad sport, and a lack of respect... respect. i believe that that one word closely defines what democracy trully is. in a true democracy, each is given the opportunity to air out their views, and to have their own set of ideas and thoughts and to stand by them without fear of being ridiculed and labelled. RESPECT is the true democracy.

[salbahis]

i believe that i am not someone who could be justly labelled as an "NPA supporter" or "communist propagandist".

Lets Rephrase it:
i believe that i am not someone who could be justly labelled as an "NPA supporter" or "communist propagandist".

DUH!!!!, and what do you call yourself?, Do you  know about the invention called Mirror?, i think you need to look at it!, dont be an Hypocrites Bro!

i do not love the NPA... but i also do not hate it....

And what do you call that?, a Friend?, a Neighboor?

i do not wish to turn people from their views of the NPA, i merely wanted to show the other side of the coin, to provide the bigger picture.

yah right!  :mrgreen: , Wake Up Bro!, this is not the 60's or the 70's!

because they know that they will not and can not do what those of the NPA have done...

what?, abusing people they claimed to be protected?, killing people they suspected of conspiring with the Gov't?, or people who speak against them?, hijacking relief goods for the victim in Albay?, or ambushing soldier who helped the victim in Albay?

DUH!!!, tulog gihapon ka?, wa man siguro ka kasabot sa doktrina sa Kumunista!, pag research sa oy!

... it is just that they do not have it in them to be like the NPA ---to go out there and fight for their due.

well i thought you believe in DEMOCRACY?, then your saying "to go out there and fight for their due", basin nakalitan raka, PEACE is part of DEMOCRACY!, not in COMMUNISN!, PEACE means RESPECT!

i have no doubt that you really flip the coin and show the other side of it!, but you forget the motives behind the sleeves!, communism is for people who don't really understand the true meaning of DEMOCRACY, stop using the word DEMOCRACY if you don't fully understand it!, if you don't see the progress in our country it's because you are not contented on what you see!, don't expect sudden progress!, it takes time!

[The_Child]

i think that there are people who hate the NPA so much because they want to justify their own passive existence... because they know that they will not and can not do what those of the NPA have done... not only could they not leave their families and take up arms to join a struggle for the rights of the people... they also could not speak out and ask for a real change for the better... they can not or will not actively advocate and work for reform... it is not that they are content, and do not want for more... it is not that they are lazy... it is just that they do not have it in them to be like the NPA ---to go out there and fight for their due.

yes, someway i agree, because many of the bourgeois is so indifferent to the people in society especially to the marginalized. but the problem here is that the NPA have this misconception of fighting for the people, because they are not fighting for the people, the ideals of any "Communist" group is a Social Revolution, and not merely reforms but Social Revolution, a bloody revolution, an Armed struggle but such a framework, in my opinion wouldnt work right now. And to put the NPA in the spotlight of glamour and heroism is typically just sensationalism. The NPA is obsolete, if it couldnt cope up with "Globalization" the newest trend in this postmodern era, then it would always remain a group shounting for regress rather than progress. And why i said the NPA is not fighting for the people, because they have their Idealistic interests of putting up a communist state, the "people" you might have been refering to are the proletariat, who would "lose nothing but their chains" but then again, Times change. For the NPA, to setup a communist state, it would be necessary for it to survive the international climate, but with the fall of the USSR and the Opening up of Red China, it would seem that such a victory for the NPA would take its toll on Progress.

[grabehbebe]

AFP gearing up for final battle to wipe out Abus

There will be a "surge" in government troops and operations in Mindanao as the military steps up its offensive to finish off the Abu Sayyaf, which has been weakened by the deaths of its leaders, Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) chief Gen. Hermogenes Esperon said yesterday.

"The tempo of our offensive now would be faster and more ferocious. We’ll give them no quarter. We have to hit all the remaining leaders while they’re in crisis," Esperon vowed.

He said the intelligence community went on high alert on warnings that the Abu Sayyaf might strike back.

The warnings came a day after Esperon announced that DNA tests carried out by the US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) confirmed that a body recovered in December in a shallow grave in Patikul, Sulu was that of Abu Sayyaf chieftain Khadaffy Janjalani.

Istorya

The government has come up with this desicion because this bandits does not only gives the country a terrible headache but a big chance of loosing international connection because of their nonsense threats which definetely makes the people more wary of their sorroundings...I think there is no more other way of making the country free form communist and Peaceful but this.

[grabehbebe]

It should really be the case that this terrorist group be wiped out. After all, they are not doing anything good for us but besmirch the country's reputation in the international community. It would be best to end their nonsense threats.

[baron]

^^ PDI reported that DNA tests were made to verify the reports that it was the Abu Sayyaf leader Khadafi Janjalani who was killed in the September encounter of the military in Sulu. The military should be lauded on this achievement. In as much as it was the leader who was killed at the encounter, this is also a big blow to the terrorist group as they continue to fade away.

How I wish other terrorist group could be located by the intensified campaign of the military to end their threats in the countryside. Their extortion and abuses to the people should come to an end.

[junmar4]

Then can you connect the Abu Sayyaf to the NPA?

[salbahis]

Then can you connect the Abu Sayyaf to the NPA?

well, Abu Sayyaf is in Kidnapping, and kidnapping a sort of extortion, while NPA extort on big Telecom Company, well there you go, extortion is their connection!!!