The KOBE vs JORDAN Debate

[grovestreet]

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lol your talking about zone defense...!!

we are talking about physicality here....!! got it??

Like I said physicality doesn't always translate to effectiveness. And don't tell me today's game isn't physical, have you guys even watched the freakin' playoffs last year? How players like lebron and Kobe gets pounded everytime they attempt to go strong to the hoop. Almost all NBA analysts when asked what team in NBA's history was the best defensive team? they agree on one team... the Detroit Pistions of 2004 and it wasn't a freakin' 90's team. With today's rules and today's players it would've been a different scenario for MJ... MJ's typical jab moves wouldn't be as effective because of today's bigger and more athletic players. And we've only been talking about the defense department here. We haven't even talked about today's offense compared to the 90's.

how many championships did Pippen win without Jordan, the answer is zero. How many championships did Jordan win without Pippen, zero.

In 1988 Doug Collins said.."Wanna know what the Biggest problem in running our offense??....It's Michael Jordan!..he won't pass the Ball!!"..

Next year Jordan said either Collins goes or trade me!!....The Bulls were forced to fire Collins!!........Typical Jordan!

and you say Jordan didn't whine about his coach?

you may say that i'm a dreamer. but i'm not the only one
(phil jackson, steve kerr, mark jackson, mychal thompson, john salley)

[am_believer24]

^^count me in groovestreet...

[lanch]

kobe has everything but lacks 1 thing...heart...he doesn't have the will to win... he is afraid of the responsibility to carry the team...

[jutai]

mura mao na iyang kulang. Di jud siya maayo nga Team leader as MJ.

[grovestreet]

ON THE BEST DAMN SPORTS SHOW PERIOD:

*Chris Rose: Kobe Bryant or Michael Jordan?

**John Salley: I played with both Kobe and Michael. I would have to say that Kobe Bryant is the better player. Kobe has a much better shot, handles the ball better, and just has more tricks to go along with his game. And just look at his career...he already has 3 rings and he's going for his fourth this year.

*Chris Rose: Yea because he's playing with Shaq, the most dominant big man ever, right?

**John Salley: Wrong. Playing with Shaq of course makes it easier for Kobe, but I don't thing Michael would have done as well as Kobe is, playing with another superstar. If you think about it, Jordan had someone who rebounded for him (Rodman) and brought leadership to the team (Pippen). Other than Jordan, the Chicago Bulls didn't have any real good offensive players. Jordan did the scoring all by himself. Where in Kobe's case, there's Shaq, who's another superstar that wants to score points, or else he gets upset as we've seen many times before. Kobe shares the ball with Shaq, and still puts up big numbers by himself, which is what amazes me. Kobe puts up the same numbers as Jordan did, and Kobe's playing with Shaq. If Kobe was on a team without Shaq, he would score 45 points per game.

*Chris Rose: O.K. You made some good points, but you agree that Jordan is a better defender, right? I mean, he won the defensive player of the year award several times.

**John Salley: No way, I don’t agree! Back in Jordan's days, you were allowed to put your elbows on the guy you were defending. Now in Kobe's days, even if you just touch a player like that, you get called for the foul.

*Chris Rose: O.K., whatever John. Well here's my last argument, and if you don't agree with me on this one, we're going to have to test you for drugs.

**John Salley: Man, shut up. I played with Jordan and Kobe. Did you?

*Chris Rose: No, but I do know that when it's late in the game, you want Jordan taking the final shot.

**John Salley: How can you say that? You just say that because Jordan made the game- winning basket on your sorry Cleveland Cav's team back in the early 90's. Man, for the next show, we should put a clip together showing Michael Jordan's game- winning shots and Kobe Bryant game- winning shots and compare the two. Jordan might have more game- winners, but Kobe still has 10 years left in this league, and he's not even at his best right now. Another thing of course is Kobe's trial case. I don't think anyone in the history of basketball could do what Kobe is doing traveling from court to court, scoring 30+ points.


Salley played with Jordan and Kobe... did you?

[emperadorse28]

ON THE BEST DAMN SPORTS SHOW PERIOD:

*Chris Rose: Kobe Bryant or Michael Jordan?

**John Salley: I played with both Kobe and Michael. I would have to say that Kobe Bryant is the better player. Kobe has a much better shot, handles the ball better, and just has more tricks to go along with his game. And just look at his career...he already has 3 rings and he's going for his fourth this year.

*Chris Rose: Yea because he's playing with Shaq, the most dominant big man ever, right?

**John Salley: Wrong. Playing with Shaq of course makes it easier for Kobe, but I don't thing Michael would have done as well as Kobe is, playing with another superstar. If you think about it, Jordan had someone who rebounded for him (Rodman) and brought leadership to the team (Pippen). Other than Jordan, the Chicago Bulls didn't have any real good offensive players. Jordan did the scoring all by himself. Where in Kobe's case, there's Shaq, who's another superstar that wants to score points, or else he gets upset as we've seen many times before. Kobe shares the ball with Shaq, and still puts up big numbers by himself, which is what amazes me. Kobe puts up the same numbers as Jordan did, and Kobe's playing with Shaq. If Kobe was on a team without Shaq, he would score 45 points per game.

*Chris Rose: O.K. You made some good points, but you agree that Jordan is a better defender, right? I mean, he won the defensive player of the year award several times.

**John Salley: No way, I don’t agree! Back in Jordan's days, you were allowed to put your elbows on the guy you were defending. Now in Kobe's days, even if you just touch a player like that, you get called for the foul.

*Chris Rose: O.K., whatever John. Well here's my last argument, and if you don't agree with me on this one, we're going to have to test you for drugs.

**John Salley: Man, shut up. I played with Jordan and Kobe. Did you?

*Chris Rose: No, but I do know that when it's late in the game, you want Jordan taking the final shot.

**John Salley: How can you say that? You just say that because Jordan made the game- winning basket on your sorry Cleveland Cav's team back in the early 90's. Man, for the next show, we should put a clip together showing Michael Jordan's game- winning shots and Kobe Bryant game- winning shots and compare the two. Jordan might have more game- winners, but Kobe still has 10 years left in this league, and he's not even at his best right now. Another thing of course is Kobe's trial case. I don't think anyone in the history of basketball could do what Kobe is doing traveling from court to court, scoring 30+ points.


Salley played with Jordan and Kobe... did you?

and did you??

[KRS-One]

mura mao na iyang kulang. Di jud siya maayo nga Team leader as MJ.

sakto biya ni.. this is the season to prove it though.. kay he has the talent around him..no more excuses for kobe.

[Bongoton]

wa pa gyud diay ni mahuman? pastilan.. tsk tsk tsk

I said it before and il say it again.. Kobe Bryants accomplishments PALES in comparison to Michael Jordan..period
Ato nlang ni hisgutan usob ug mo retire na si Kobe, aron makita gyud ug unsa..kay sa pagka karon, layu ra ang accomplishments ni Kobe compared sa kang Jordan..

[jutai]

mao jud,layo pa jud ang accomplishment ni kobe compare kang MJ. But wala pa sad ta kahibaw,daghan pang tuig para ma prove ni kobe nga na abtan ni kobe ang na abot sad ni MJ.

[lanch]

"Kobe puts up the same numbers as Jordan did, and Kobe's playing with Shaq. If Kobe was on a team without Shaq, he would score 45 points per game."

shaq is not with the lakers now. pila ang average ni kobe?