RELIGION....(part 2)

[pokoman]

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"Catholic doctrines and practices are of pagan origen"

Catholic priest John F. Sullivan argues that the Catholic Church has adopted pagan practices and implemented them as part of "Catholic" doctrine because such practices are the "best from paganism":

"It is interesting to note how often our Church has availed herself of practices whichÂ* were in common use amongÂ* Â* pagans... Thus it is true, in a certain sense, thatÂ* Catholic rites and ceremonies are reproduction of those of pagans creeds; but they are the taking of what was best from paganism, the keeping of symbolical practices which express the religious instinct that is common to all races and times." (Rt. Rev. Msgr. John F. Sullivan. D.D. The External of the Catholic Church. p.226

BUT THE TRUE Christian neither subscribe to pagan ways nor go beyond the teaching of the Holy Scriptures.The apostles instructed:

"Here then is my word to you, and I urge it on you in the Lord's name: give up living as pagans do with their futile notions."(Eph. 4:17)

"Now , brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, 'Do not go beyond what is written'. Then you will not take pride in one man over against another."(1 Cor.4:6)


"Catholics worship images"

Catholic catechism requires that members should have for themselves idols or images to images to worship:

Ought we to worship holy images?Â* "We should have, particularly in our churches, images of Our Lord, as also of the Blessed Virgin and the saints, and we should pay them due honor and veneration."(Catechism of Christian Doctrine. p.87)

BUT THE BIBLE teaches otherwise .God prohibits His people from having other gods besides Him or from worshiping idols or images.Those who defy this commandment will be punished:

"You shall have no other gods before Me. You shall not make for yourself a carved image - any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth ; You shall not bow downÂ* to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate me."(Exo.20:3-5)

"...those who worship idols, and all liars - the place for them is the lake of fire and sulfur, which is the second death." (Rev. 21:


"Catholics offer Mass and perform rituals for the dead"

Catholics are taught that they can help in relieving the sufferings of the departed whose souls are in the so-called purgatory by offering Mass and performing rituals for them:

The faithful on earth, through the communion of saints, can relieve the sufferings of the souls in purgatory by prayer, fasting, and other good works, by indulgences, and by having Masses offered for them." (Louis LaRavoire Morrow,D.D. My Catholic Faith. p.243)

HOWEVER, EVEN CATHOLIC priest admit that the Bible does not mention of a realm such as purgatory. Offering prayers and other sacrifices for the dead is against the teachings of the Bible, for the dead have no share in anything that the living do:

"Nowhere in the Scriptures does the word 'Purgatory' occur... "(Joseph Kenney, C.S.S.R. Purgatory: A Doctrine of Comport and Hope.p.2)

"For the living know that they will die; but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward, for the memory of them is forgotten . Also their love, their hatred, and their envy have now perished; nevermore will they have a share in anything done under the sun."(Eccl. 9:5-6)

" For I testify to everyone who hears the words of this book :
if anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
And if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." (Revelation 22:18-19)

[dacs]

Oh no..not a new group. But long existed way before RCC existed....

So you are not Christian.Â* The Catholic Church traces its birth at the time of Christ.Â* If your church existed before that, then you are not a Christian group.

A dose of history. Long before the RCC was born, "Baptists" existed. Though they were not called baptists then, but they had the same distinctive with today's independent Christians, standing for the verbal inspiration of the Bible, the Deity of Christ, His blood atonement, salvation by faith, New Testament Soul winning and the Premillennial Return of Christ; Opposing Modernism, Worldliness and Formalism.

Ah, yes, the heretics.Â* Show us proof as we show proof from the writings of the early Christians.Â* Additionally, Acts 11:26 made reference to the fact that the disciples of Christ were first called Christians at Antioch.Â* In that case, there were already Christians even before all of the New Testament is written.Â* Believing that the Bible (as we know it today) is the sole rule of faith for these Christians is absurd and totally unbiblical.

Who also believes the Bible is the sole authority (2 Peter 1:21),

2 Peter 1:21 ('for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God.')?Â* This is your proof-text that the Bible is the sole authority?Â* Way off!Â* Your logic is ... just nuts!

Autonomy of the local new testament church (Matthew 18:17),

Matthew 18:17 ('If he refuses to listen to them, tell the church. If he refuses to listen even to the church, then treat him as you would a Gentile or a tax collector.')?Â* How would you fit that with the action of Sts. Paul and Barnabas in Acts 15:1-31?Â* If you understand the Bible correctly, then you will realize that Matthew 18:17 implies that the whole Church must be in agreement on an issue --- the whole Church and not just a particular church (or else some would believe one thing and others anothers).Â* You have to interpret that verse the way you do - without reference to other parts of the Bible - because it left you no choice.Â* You have to be Catholic if you interpret it rightly.

Priesthood of all believers (1 Peter 2:9)

Hey! We believe that, too.Â* Unfortunately, how we understand it is way different than your take on it.Â* Read the Fathers and Doctors of the Church and I pray that you will be enlightened.

Two ordinances a. Communion (1 Cor. 11:23-25) b. Baptism (Acts 2:41),

I have answered these two - yet received no counter-argument.

Individual soul liberty (Romans 14:5,12),

Saved, baptized church membership (Acts 2:47),

Saved?Â* Past tense?

Philippians 2:12 ('So then, my beloved, obedient as you have always been, not only when I am present but all the more now when I am absent, work out your salvation with fear and trembling.')Â* Since St. Paul is talking to the Philippian Christians, why are they ask to work out their salvation with fear and trembling?Â* Aren't they saved?

1 Corinthians 4:4-5 ('I am not conscious of anything against me, but I do not thereby stand acquitted; the one who judges me is the Lord. Therefore, do not make any judgment before the appointed time, until the Lord comes, for he will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will manifest the motives of our hearts, and then everyone will receive praise from God.')Â* St. Paul is not conscious of anything against him; yet he does not stand acquitted.Â* He even asked Christians not to make judgment before the 'appointed time'.Â* No saved Christians here; only redeemed.

Two offices a. Pastor (Acts 20:2 b. Deacons (1 Timothy 3:13),

No bishops? Are you sure?

Separation of church and state (Matthew 22:21). Constantine compromised Chrisitianity with paganism. And since then they termed these people as "Ana-baptists".

Where did you ever get your history?Â* Verify, please.Â* It is quite embarassing if you keep on insisting something which have no basis in actual history --- or is this your story?

Even persecuted people who don't believe on RCC. Research on the "Trail of Blood".

Let me provide a link to a Baptist who actually did some research on the factual claims of the tract 'The Trail of Blood' by J.M. Carroll:

http://www.biblicalstudies.com/bstudy/ecclesiology/baptism.htm

Let me point that out again : the guy is a Baptist.Â* You may even find solace on his final summary and conclusion.

Here is one from a Catholic convert:

http://www.catholic-convert.com/Portals/57ad7180-c5e7-49f5-b282-c6475cdb7ee7/Documents/TrailOfBlood.doc

I could have given you more to refute your claims, but these will suffice ...

...'til next time.

[dacs]

"Catholic doctrines and practices are of pagan origen"

Catholic priest John F. Sullivan argues that the Catholic Church has adopted pagan practices and implemented them as part of "Catholic" doctrine because such practices are the "best from paganism":

"It is interesting to note how often our Church has availed herself of practices whichÂ* were in common use amongÂ* Â* pagans... Thus it is true, in a certain sense, thatÂ* Catholic rites and ceremonies are reproduction of those of pagans creeds; but they are the taking of what was best from paganism, the keeping of symbolical practices which express the religious instinct that is common to all races and times." (Rt. Rev. Msgr. John F. Sullivan. D.D. The External of the Catholic Church. p.226

Oh, boy! You have not understood what you have just quoted.Â* Have you asked about the origin of wedding rings?Â* Paganism must hold some truth in order for it to hold some sense.Â* It is these truth that the Church took for herself and used for symbolism and rituals.Â* Abraham and his people offered sacrifices to God through burning offerings.Â* This is also found in pagan practices.Â* Yet, it was not offensive to God.

BUT THE TRUE Christian neither subscribe to pagan ways nor go beyond the teaching of the Holy Scriptures.The apostles instructed:

"Here then is my word to you, and I urge it on you in the Lord's name: give up living as pagans do with their futile notions."(Eph. 4:17)

"Now , brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, 'Do not go beyond what is written'. Then you will not take pride in one man over against another."(1 Cor.4:6)

Indeed, and why did you?Â* St. Thomas Aquinas, one of the Doctors of the Church, said in his Summa Theologica:

Religious worship is not directed to images in themselves, considered as mere things, but under their distinctive aspect as images leading us on to God incarnate. The movement toward the image does not terminate in it as image, but tends toward that whose image it is.

"Catholics worship images"

Catholic catechism requires that members should have for themselves idols or images to images to worship:

Â* Who have you been asking?

The Catholic Church never required Catholics to have for themselves images of the saints or the Lord Jesus Christ.Â* No, the images are not idols nor to be worshipped.Â* Did you know the greatest image maker?Â* God!

Genesis 1:26-27 - Then God said: "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. Let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, and the cattle, and over all the wild animals and all the creatures that crawl on the ground." God created man in his image; in the divine image he created him; male and female he created them.

Ought we to worship holy images?Â* "We should have, particularly in our churches, images of Our Lord, as also of the Blessed Virgin and the saints, and we should pay them due honor and veneration."(Catechism of Christian Doctrine. p.87)

BUT THE BIBLE teaches otherwise .God prohibits His people from having other gods besides Him or from worshiping idols or images.Those who defy this commandment will be punished:

"You shall have no other gods before Me. You shall not make for yourself a carved image - any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth ; You shall not bow downÂ* to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate me."(Exo.20:3-5)

"...those who worship idols, and all liars - the place for them is the lake of fire and sulfur, which is the second death." (Rev. 21:

Will the father of the family be offended if his house has more pictures of his wife and children than his? No? So, why are you?

Remember that the Catechism of Christian Doctrine (?) which you have quoted stated that we should pay them due honor and veneration. Read that together with this quotation from St. Thomas Aquinas:

Religious worship is not directed to images in themselves, considered as mere things, but under their distinctive aspect as images leading us on to God incarnate. The movement toward the image does not terminate in it as image, but tends toward that whose image it is.

You insist that we have idols and graven images we worship like God.Â* I tell you we don't.Â* Who should know better of what Catholics believe?Â* When you honor your parents (as stated in the Ten Commandments), are you subtracting from the honor to be given to God?Â* No.Â* When we honor the saints who have lived lives that is worth emulating, we do not take from the honor we give to God.Â* In fact, by honoring those who served God worthily, we honor Him also.

"Catholics offer Mass and perform rituals for the dead"

Catholics are taught that they can help in relieving the sufferings of the departed whose souls are in the so-called purgatory by offering Mass and performing rituals for them:

The faithful on earth, through the communion of saints, can relieve the sufferings of the souls in purgatory by prayer, fasting, and other good works, by indulgences, and by having Masses offered for them." (Louis LaRavoire Morrow,D.D. My Catholic Faith. p.243)

HOWEVER, EVEN CATHOLIC priest admit that the Bible does not mention of a realm such as purgatory.

Fine readings you have there --- but did you understand what you have read?Â* Indeed, there is no mention of the word 'purgatory'.Â* Yet, it is in the Bible.Â* I have already shown that in the previous posts.Â* There is no need to re-post it here.Â* The same can be said of the word 'Trinity'.Â* Oh, are you Trinitarian?Â* The word 'Bible-alone' does not appear in the Bible either; neither is the phrase 'baptism by immersion'.Â* If I used your logic, these things inherent to your belief system are therefore unbiblical.

Offering prayers and other sacrifices for the dead is against the teachings of the Bible, for the dead have no share in anything that the living do:

Are you really sure?Â*

"Nowhere in the Scriptures does the word 'Purgatory' occur... "(Joseph Kenney, C.S.S.R. Purgatory: A Doctrine of Comport and Hope.p.2)

Reiterate that : nowhere in the Scriptures does the word 'Purgatory' occur... It doen't say purgatory does not exist.Â* Just because we have not given a name on something does not make it unreal.

"For the living know that they will die; but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward, for the memory of them is forgotten . Also their love, their hatred, and their envy have now perished; nevermore will they have a share in anything done under the sun."(Eccl. 9:5-6)

Sheol - the Hebrew word used in both quotations - may denote the abode of the dead, the underworld, grave or pit. In the Hebrew Bible, it is shown as a comfortless place beneath the earth, beyond gates, where all of us without exception must go after death to sleep in silence and oblivion in the dust. In many cases, though, Sheol does not seem to be an afterlife destination or "location“ but merely the grave. In Ecclesiastes 9:5 and 9:10, this is how the word was used and meant “a grave".

Indeed, the body whose soul has departed is dead and it is only proper that Ecclesiastes 9:5 says as it is so. This is the same argument as with Isaiah 38:18.

" For I testify to everyone who hears the words of this book :
if anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
And if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." (Revelation 22:18-19)

Take note that the quotation is referring to the book where that quotation is taken - The Revelation to John. book of this prophecy - read that?

So, what are you driving at?

[mosimos]

Biblical support

Purgatory-

Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.
Is 6:5-7
Then I (Isaiah) said, "Woe is me, I am doomed! For I am a man of unclean lips, living among a people of unclean lips; yet my eyes have seen the King, the Lord of hosts!" Then one of the seraphim flew to me, holding an ember which he had taken with tongs from the altar. He touched my mouth with it. "See," he said, "now that this has touched your lips, your wickedness is removed, your sin purged."

1 Cor 3:11-15
For no one can lay a foundation other than the one that is there, namely, Jesus Christ. If anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, or straw, the work of each will come to light, for the Day will disclose it. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire (itself) will test the quality of each one's work. If the work stands that someone built upon the foundation, that person will receive a wage. But if someone's work is burned up, that one will suffer loss; the person will be saved, but only as through fire.

1 Pet 1:7 The genuineness of your faith, more precious than gold that is perishable even though tested by fire, may prove to be for praise, glory, and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ.

[mosimos]

Biblical support for relics

"Now God worked unusual miracles by the hands of Paul, so that even handkerchiefs or aprons were brought from his body to the sick, and the diseases left them and the evil spirits went out of them" (Acts 19:11-12)

Mk 5:27-29 She (the woman with a hemorrhage) had heard about Jesus and came up behind him in the crowd and touched his cloak. She said, "If I but touch his clothes, I shall be cured." Immediately her flow of blood dried up.

Acts 5:15 Thus they even carried the sick out into the streets and laid them on cots and mats so that when Peter came by, at least his shadow might fall on one or another of them.

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[mannyamador]

Oh no..not a new group. But long existed way before RCC existed....

This claim is plain out of this world! It has ZERO historical support.

And your primary claim, that the Bible is the final authority, has no support in the Bible itself! Where in the word did you get this illogic?

[soulshocked]

So you are not Christian. Â*The Catholic Church traces its birth at the time of Christ. Â*If your church existed before that, then you are not a Christian group.

Can be traced back at the time of Christ? Interesting. Â*Some made-up stories huh!

Ah, yes, the heretics. Â*Show us proof as we show proof from the writings of the early Christians. Â*Additionally, Acts 11:26 made reference to the fact that the disciples of Christ were first called Christians at Antioch. Â*In that case, there were already Christians even before all of the New Testament is written. Â*Believing that the Bible (as we know it today) is the sole rule of faith for these Christians is absurd and totally unbiblical.

Heretics? Haha. You amaze me with your ignorance. Â*Review where the term Christian came from. Â*

2 Peter 1:21 ('for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God.')? Â*This is your proof-text that the Bible is the sole authority? Â*Way off! Â*Your logic is ... just nuts!

This is where ignorance show itself. Â*Read by context. Â*Do I have to elaborate on this? Â*Read the preceeding texts before verse 21. sheesh! Â*Or maybe you'll just jump on 2 Timothy 3:16 incase your logic can't comprehend the Word of Truth.
[qoute]Saved? Â*Past tense?

Philippians 2:12 ('So then, my beloved, obedient as you have always been, not only when I am present but all the more now when I am absent, work out your salvation with fear and trembling.') Â*Since St. Paul is talking to the Philippian Christians, why are they ask to work out their salvation with fear and trembling? Â*Aren't they saved?

1 Corinthians 4:4-5 ('I am not conscious of anything against me, but I do not thereby stand acquitted; the one who judges me is the Lord. Therefore, do not make any judgment before the appointed time, until the Lord comes, for he will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will manifest the motives of our hearts, and then everyone will receive praise from God.') Â*St. Paul is not conscious of anything against him; yet he does not stand acquitted. Â*He even asked Christians not to make judgment before the 'appointed time'. Â*No saved Christians here; only redeemed.
[/qoute] Again! Read the whole context of the chapter. Â*The problem you have is you look directly at what the verse says. Â*Whew! Â*"No saved Christians here; only redeemed" Â*What? With all of your logic you forgot to look up the dictionary. Â*

re·deem Â* Â*( P ) Â*Pronunciation Key Â*(r-dm)
tr.v. re·deemed, re·deem·ing, re·deems
To recover ownership of by paying a specified sum.
To pay off (a promissory note, for example).
To turn in (coupons, for example) and receive something in exchange.
To fulfill (a pledge, for example).
To convert into cash: redeem stocks.
To set free; rescue or ransom.
To save from a state of sinfulness and its consequences. See Synonyms at save1.
To make up for: The low price of the clothes dryer redeems its lack of special features.
To restore the honor, worth, or reputation of: You botched the last job but can redeem yourself on this one.

Oh Boy! I'm wasting my time here. Â*But I do pray for people like you. Â*As long as you're alive...there's still hope. Â*

"Cursed be the man before the Lord, that riseth up and buildeth this city Jericho." Joshua 6:26
"Since he was cursed who rebuilt Jericho, much more the man who labours to restore Popery among us. In our fathers' days the gigantic walls of Popery fell by the power of their faith, the perseverance of their efforts, and the blast of their gospel trumpets; and now there are some who would rebuild that accursed system upon its old foundations. O Lord, be please to thwart their unrighteous endeavours, and pull down every stone which they build. It should be a serious business with us to be thoroughly purged of every error which may have a tendency to foster the spirit of Popery, and when we have made a clean sweep at home we should seek in every way to oppose its all too rapid spread abroad in the church and in the world. This last can be done in secret by fervent prayer, and in public by decided testimony. We must warn with judicious boldness those who are inclined towards the errors of Rome; we must instruct the young in gospel truth, and tell them of the black doings of Popery in the olden times. We must aid in spreading the light more thoroughly through the land, for priests, like owls, hate daylight. Are we doing all we can for Jesus and the gospel? If not, our negligence plays into the hands of priestcraft. What are we doing to spread the Bible, which is the Pope's bane and poison? Are we casting abroad good, sound gospel writings? Luther once said, 'The devil hates goose quills,' and doubtless, he has good reason, for ready writers, by the Holy Spirit's blessing, have done his kingdom much damage. If the thousands who will read this short word this night will do all they can to hinder the rebuilding of his accursed Jericho, the Lord's glory shall speed among the sons of men. Reader, what can you do? What will you do?"

[soulshocked]

Oh no..not a new group. But long existed way before RCC existed....

This claim is plain out of this world! It has ZERO historical support.

And your primary claim, that the Bible is the final authority, has no support in the Bible itself! Where in the word did you get this illogic?

Oh no. try again kid. No support on the Bible? 2 Tim. 3:16. If you don't get that..who's illogic now?

[dacs]

Can be traced back at the time of Christ? Interesting. Some made-up stories huh!

You cannot even cite a single early Christian writers to back up your claim. Yes, bro, you are making up stories. Prove your claim as I have.

Heretics? Haha. You amaze me with your ignorance. Review where the term Christian came from.

Do you know where it came from? I have just quoted a verse in the Bible mentioning that the disciples of Christ were first called Christians at Antioch. Are you going to go extra-biblical on this?

2 Peter 1:21 ('for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God.')? This is your proof-text that the Bible is the sole authority? Way off! Your logic is ... just nuts!

This is where ignorance show itself. Read by context. Do I have to elaborate on this? Read the preceeding texts before verse 21. sheesh! Or maybe you'll just jump on 2 Timothy 3:16 incase your logic can't comprehend the Word of Truth.

You are not going gaga on me, right? It was you who quoted 2 Peter 1:21. Yet, you actually want me to read the preceding text? Whose fault is that, bro? Aren't you sorry you misled me? Let's get this clear : you are asking me to read the preceding verse, right? 2 Peter 1:20 - 'Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation' - actually support the belief of Catholics that no part of the Sacred Scriptures should be read and interpreted apart from the teachings of the Church. Yet, Baptists do personal interpretations of the Bible which is against the pronouncement in 2 Peter 1:20.

Again! Read the whole context of the chapter. The problem you have is you look directly at what the verse says. Whew!

If you want the reader to read the whole chapter, why don't you say so in the first place instead of quoting only a part of it (leading the reader to believe that you want him to read that part only)? Whew!

"No saved Christians here; only redeemed" What? With all of your logic you forgot to look up the dictionary.

re·deem ( P ) Pronunciation Key (r-dm)
tr.v. re·deemed, re·deem·ing, re·deems
To recover ownership of by paying a specified sum.
To pay off (a promissory note, for example).
To turn in (coupons, for example) and receive something in exchange.
To fulfill (a pledge, for example).
To convert into cash: redeem stocks.
To set free; rescue or ransom.
To save from a state of sinfulness and its consequences. See Synonyms at save1.
To make up for: The low price of the clothes dryer redeems its lack of special features.
To restore the honor, worth, or reputation of: You botched the last job but can redeem yourself on this one.

Hello? Isn't it true that, even if you redeem something, it still can be lost? The context you used the word 'saved' is for all eternity, right? The redemption can still be 'botched'. That is the very reason why St. Paul exhorts Christians to work out their salvation with fear and trembling, and said to himself that he do not stand acquitted. An apostle with no assurance of salvation!

Oh Boy! I'm wasting my time here. But I do pray for people like you. As long as you're alive...there's still hope.

If knowing the truth is wasting time, then go ahead. I thought you were taught to test everything regarding what is taught as part of the Christian faith (as the Bible says).

"Cursed be the man before the Lord, that riseth up and buildeth this city Jericho." Joshua 6:26
"Since he was cursed who rebuilt Jericho, much more the man who labours to restore Popery among us. In our fathers' days the gigantic walls of Popery fell by the power of their faith, the perseverance of their efforts,

Indeed, carry on.

and the blast of their gospel trumpets; and now there are some who would rebuild that accursed system upon its old foundations. O Lord, be please to thwart their unrighteous endeavours, and pull down every stone which they build. It should be a serious business with us to be thoroughly purged of every error which may have a tendency to foster the spirit of Popery, and when we have made a clean sweep at home we should seek in every way to oppose its all too rapid spread abroad in the church and in the world. This last can be done in secret by fervent prayer, and in public by decided testimony. We must warn with judicious boldness those who are inclined towards the errors of Rome; we must instruct the young in gospel truth, and tell them of the black doings of Popery in the olden times. We must aid in spreading the light more thoroughly through the land, for priests, like owls, hate daylight. Are we doing all we can for Jesus and the gospel? If not, our negligence plays into the hands of priestcraft. What are we doing to spread the Bible, which is the Pope's bane and poison? Are we casting abroad good, sound gospel writings? Luther once said, 'The devil hates goose quills,' and doubtless, he has good reason, for ready writers, by the Holy Spirit's blessing, have done his kingdom much damage. If the thousands who will read this short word this night will do all they can to hinder the rebuilding of his accursed Jericho, the Lord's glory shall speed among the sons of men. Reader, what can you do? What will you do?"

Baptists themselves have already discreditted 'The Trail of Blood' by J.M. Carroll. Yet, some still continue to use it. Obviously, there is a discord, a dis-unity, among Baptists. Who among these bickering sects is guided by the Holy Spirit?