Pagan Origins of the Christian Faith (Phil. Daily Inquirer)

[The_Child]

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wrong in a way that your question assumes thing that i said, which i did not in the first place.

[regnauld]

wrong in a way that your question assumes thing that i said, which i did not in the first place.

Ok let me revise some of my questions

1. What do you mean by forbidden books and who forbids it?

2. Are we not capable of deciphering the TRUTH?

3. So, what is TRUTH? Well, this has been our mission and purpose ever since TO SEEK THE TRUTH and TRUTH is both Objective and Subjective. There is no Absolute TRUTH except GOD. What is Truth for you sir?

4. Esoteric Meanderings? What do you mean by meandering? Are you aware that all religions have Esoteric and Exoteric teachings?

5. Are you saying that the Roman Church is also duwa duwa because you cannot substantiate it with facts especially the Catmatic I mean the Dogmatic teachings of the church? Well, the Roman Church is childish too as what Pope Leo X said, "Since God has given us the papacy, let us enjoy it." and he said, "It has served us well, this myth of Christ."

Just correct me in my assumptions. I can accept if my question is wrong! You are right we are here to seek the truth and part of this is correcting our mistakes!

[handsoff241]

@Child... that's a deep mud but I need a rope to get in there first.
Even the guy loves to play...

[Kenshiro]

Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods! - Jesus The Christ (John 10:34)

About the first post
This is mostly misunderstood verse

Does it mean Ye are Gods? Or does it mean Ye are God's

The second statement has a lot of biblical support.
Like the verse Mathew 23:37 - "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones to death those who have been sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were unwilling!

This verse supports the second statement that Ye are God's.

God always wants people to return to him or be his or his Children. Thus statement "Ye are God's"

Luke 15:11-32 -
also known as the parable of the prodigal son supports the statement that God has always wanting his Children, Sinners and People who has the attitude of nothing to do with this God, to return to him and to seek God's wisdom.

[Kenshiro]

PAGANISM is a precursor religon of all religion Before buddism before hinduism and before christianity. etc.

In some sense you are correct.
However the term "Christianity" was widely renowned to the world after Christ was crucified and the spread of the Gopel.
But your statement does not give enough historical and Biblical insight.

Christ exist in the Beginning.

In John 8:58 - "before Abraham was, I Am"

Here are some inspiring verses about Christ saying he existed before Christianity.


The Jews therefore said to Him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?" Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am." Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself, and went out of the temple. (John 8:57-59)

"I and the Father are one." The Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, "I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?" The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God." (John 10:30-33)

And Jesus cried out and said, "He who believes in Me does not believe in Me, but in Him who sent Me. And he who beholds Me beholds the One who sent Me. I have come as light into the world, that everyone who believes in Me may not remain in darkness." (John 12:44-46)

And so when He had washed their feet, and taken His garments, and reclined at the table again, He said to them, "Do you know what I have done to you? You call Me Teacher and Lord; and you are right, for I am. If I then, the Lord and the Teacher, washed your feet, you also ought to wash one another's feet." (John 13:12-14)

Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me. If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him." Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us." Jesus said to him, "Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how do you say, 'Show us the Father'?" (John 14:6-9)

This shows how closely Christ and his Father God how closely they are related. Even Christ existed when God Created the world.

[bluedes]

i didnt notice i was being sarcastic on that remark on vulgarity because wasnt sarcastic, it was intended to be direct to the point, that vulgarity IS the crutch of the inarticulate.

hehehe, sir, luther is overrated but it does not mean he is unimportant. being overrated does not contradict importance. so mao guro naglibog ka ani, the terms are not opposing each other.

what do you mean by recognize lage?

overrated kung overrated gud.. diin man ka kadungog anang overrated si luther oi..

when people say na important si martin luther, you reply na overrated.. ang akong kalibogan nimo kay ngano kasulti ka na overrated na wala man gi-exaggerate ang position ni martin luther dire.. basig naa ka lain ka-post2x diha nagsulti na "ngilngig jud kaau ni si martin luther oi".. ur invisible friend? voices in your head?

elaborate daw ngano ka-ingon ka na overrated..

gi-unsa man pag-recognize sa church ni martin luther? na gi-excommunicate man gani siya..
like galileo, at long last, the church finally recognized him.. uttered an apology even..
pero sa kang martin luther...? any news from the church herself?

[The_Child]

overrated kung overrated gud.. diin man ka kadungog anang overrated si luther oi..


gi-unsa man pag-recognize sa church ni martin luther? na gi-excommunicate man gani siya..
like galileo, at long last, the church finally recognized him.. uttered an apology even..
pero sa kang martin luther...? any news from the church herself?

1.) wow. gahi pasabton nga subjective point of view ng "overrated"


2.) wow. gahi pasabton, nangutana gali ko nimo kung unsa imo gipasabot sa term "recognize" ? recognize in what sense? recognize his existence? recognize his excellence? recognize his folly? recognize his delusion? recognize his holiness? recognize what?

[flying fish]

nalipong ko ug binsasa

[regnauld]

Belief cannot produce historical fact, and claims that come from nothing but hearsay do not amount to an honest attempt to get at the facts. Even with eyewitness accounts we must tread carefully. Simply because someone makes a claim, does not mean it represents reality. For example, consider some of the bogus claims that supposedly come from many eyewitness accounts of alien extraterrestrials and their space craft. They not only assert eyewitnesses but present blurry photos to boot! If we can question these accounts, then why should we not question claims that come from hearsay even more? Moreover, consider that the hearsay comes from ancient and unknown people that no longer live.
Unfortunately, belief and faith substitute as knowledge in many people's minds and nothing, even direct evidence thrust on the feet of their claims, could possibly change their minds. We have many stories, myths and beliefs of a Jesus but if we wish to establish the facts of history, we cannot even begin to put together a knowledgeable account without at least a few reliable eyewitness accounts.

[flying fish]

Belief cannot produce historical fact, and claims that come from nothing but hearsay do not amount to an honest attempt to get at the facts. Even with eyewitness accounts we must tread carefully. Simply because someone makes a claim, does not mean it represents reality. For example, consider some of the bogus claims that supposedly come from many eyewitness accounts of alien extraterrestrials and their space craft. They not only assert eyewitnesses but present blurry photos to boot! If we can question these accounts, then why should we not question claims that come from hearsay even more? Moreover, consider that the hearsay comes from ancient and unknown people that no longer live.
Unfortunately, belief and faith substitute as knowledge in many people's minds and nothing, even direct evidence thrust on the feet of their claims, could possibly change their minds. We have many stories, myths and beliefs of a Jesus but if we wish to establish the facts of history, we cannot even begin to put together a knowledgeable account without at least a few reliable eyewitness accounts.

belief can produce historical facts, even w/o eyewitness, & can produce claims & eyewitnesses & it will in due time represents reality, we are all aliens and our ship is the earth, hearsay is all there is,and we shouldnt question that claim,
fortunately, there's no better substitute for beliefs and faith, the mind is for its use. we all have stories, & those stories will make it as historical facts,so no need to establish some historical facts for jesus because whats the use of faith & belief,