se p990i or N80?

[rodsky]

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@ rodsky & cebutech. thanks sa info.

@ rodsky. btw, asa ka nipalit sa imoha p990i? ty.

I posted here in iStorya, nga nangita ko ug second hand nga P990i, and that I would be ready to pay for the unit on December 15. Then naay nag text sa ako, describing the unit, etc etc. We stayed in touch until Dec. 15, then nagmeet me sa SM, where I bought the phone from the former owner. I'm very happy because it is in excellent condition, partially because of a leather case (she gave it away as a freebie) and it was lady-owned.

-RODION

[LytSlpr]

even if updated to the latest firmware P990i still sucks bigtime. it is the worst phone i have ever bought. i regret disposing my P910i for it.

FYI, the P990i is so buggy that Sony Ericsson stopped supporting it. Thus the reason why the P990i is relatively cheap for its model.

if you guys want my P990i, PM me your offer. it is almost never used.

[LytSlpr]

FYI in germany when you are using Nokia Phones, your being labeled as I D I O T.. hehe

Really? Probably only the IDIOT Germans have this perception but not all Germans in general.

I'd rather be PERCEIVED as an idiot using a Nokia, an E61i at that; rather than carrying a Sony Ericsson particularly the P990i and KNOWING that I am really an idiot.

BTW, I have been an Ericsson user for the longest time even before it became Sony Ericsson from the T68, T68i, K700, K750i, W800i, P800, P900, P910i and the P990i so I know what I am talking about. All my phones where Nokias until I used Ericsson in parallel starting with my 7110.

This comment is nothing personal.

[cebutech]

I've been a Nokia user since Nokia 1610. I've tried the buggy T68 too. I am a die-hard Nokia user because of the features offered by their phones and I know what I'm talking about.

My P990i has the latest firmware and IT IS NOT BUGGY. It is a bit slow but it's not a bug. Even some Nokia phones are slow starting with early release of 3210. My P990i's made in France CDA World 2. I heard that units made in France are better then those made in China. Yes, even if both passes through quality checking process.

P990i has RAM issues meaning it runs out of memory so you have to close some opened apps before you can run the others. That's the problem with it and it can never be improved because of the design. they have to make the unit cheap because of marketing strategy. they are trying to promote their P1i which i believe is cheaper to manufacture. Compare the units and you'll know the materials used on both phones. It's all about marketing or planned obsolescence.

There's a buy and sell thread here so anyone who hates their P990i are welcome to sell their unit.

and German are the idiot ones if they think that Nokia users are idiots. I am a Nokia 9500 user.

[LytSlpr]

logic will tell us that even is the model is relatively old, the price of a phone in that category will never go that low. what was also peculiarly surprising is the sudden drop in its price from the time it was launched. so it is more than a marketing strategy, it is a give away because of the technical faults of the phone.

BTW, my P990i is also made in France and IT IS buggy. A firmware upgrade just won't do the trick because it is partly a hardware/design problem.

Go to Sony Ericsson and they will tell you the same thing. If they sense that you know what you are talking about, the people there will admit this P990i problem.

Aside from a larger memory and a finer screen, the P910i was MUCH BETTER.

[cebutech]

Not logic. It is obvious that P990i is an old model and maybe considered obsolete.Read about planned obsolescence.
Even Nokia phones experience sudden drop in prices whenever new models come out. Again, it is a marketing strategy. How much was N95 when it was released and how much is it now?

For the same price of P990i, what other phones can offer the same features? Symbian phone, WIFI, Touch screen, secondary video cam, cam w/ flash & autofocus features and 3G? Sony can lower the price co'z they can afford to do so. Same with Nokia.

And it's not a technical fault but rather a technical limitation. The RAM is not big enough to handle many applications running at the same time. RAM is hardware related and they can't do anything about it. However, buggy firmware can be fixed. Firmware upgrade has its purpose and it can solve a lot of problems from previous firmware versions. I've tried the older versions btw. If you don't install buggy applications, i'm sure your phone will be fine. What do you think will happen if you try to run lots of applications on a Windows XP machine with only 64MB RAM? What are the common problems you'll encounter with a PC running on WinXP but with no service packs applied? Why do you think firmwares are being released for some DVD drives, digicams and other devices?

let's get our facts straight. here's info from gsmarena:
Screen:
P910 = 208 x 320 pixels, 40 x 62 mm
P990 = 240 x 320 pixels, 41 x 56 mm
Memory:
P910 = 64 MB internal memory
P990 = 128 MB Flash, 64 MB RAM, 60 MB user memory

P910i? Geez.. no WIFI, No 3G, less than 1MP cam? No way. Those features are the reasons why I bought P990i. Saying that this phone is much better than the other is relative. A phone with lesser features will never be better than a full featured phone for me. My phone works fine and it's definitely a lot better than P910i. I can say that Nokia N95 is better than P990i but N95 is a lot more expensive and what P990i can offer is good enough for me.. at least for now. Knowing Nokia, i'm sure N95 will be much more cheaper a few months from now.

I'm also sure that a lot of P990i users are happy with their unit. If your phone has the latest firmware and it's "buggy" then it's probably defective so get rid of it.

[rodsky]

I guess to help calm down the topic here, I think a good analogy would be...

...some people like apples, and some people like oranges.

Peace to all.

-RODION

[cebutech]

I guess to help calm down the topic here, I think a good analogy would be...

...some people like apples, and some people like oranges.

Peace to all.

-RODION

Good one.
Some people like apples and oranges.

Happy New Year in advance! :mrgreen:

[LytSlpr]

you're probably right but my case is not isolated, from my group of friends alone and people in Smart Corporate discourage their valued corporate clients to get the P990i. So you see sir, it is just not me.

anyhow, i am happier with my E61i over my P990i even if the latter has 2 way 3G, touch screen and better cam.

i am also not sold on the idea that the price drop is a marketing strategy because ratiowise the P910i never dropped that low until it was phased out, not even the P800 and certainly did not drop that low in just a few months, very few months at that. P990i becoming obsolete so soon? Is that planned obsolesence? I don't think so.

TECHNICALLY, I don't think the P990i became obsolete, it was phased out for obvious reasons. They probably did not implement Kaizen priniciples and 6 Sigma while the P990i was still at the drawing board.

BTW, how can you explain Sony Ericsson discontinuing further support for the P990i? Is that also planned obsolesence?

Lastly sir, I have an IT & MBA degree and finishing my second one so I "somehow" know about planned obsolesence in Production Management.

If you don't take my word for it, you can ask the God of this particular section of this forum and probably it would be best that he post his opinion as well.

PEACE!

[cebutech]

As i've said, my phone's fine and the other 3 phones sold here which i updated to the latest firmware.
and again, i'm after the features of P990i. won't trade it with more expensive or phones with lesser features since my P990i is stable enough for me. the best way to convince you is to let you see my unit and the other units i updated. or you can check rodion's unit. you said it's buggy, post here the bugs and step by step procedures so i can simulate using my unit. I use my P990i for calls, text msgg, IMAP email thru WIFI, running dictionaries/games and taking pictures in macro mode. i don't experience hang-ups. Again, as i've said, there's only the RAM issue.

maybe this link will enlighten you somehow. there are some problems which don't really matter to me.
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic...152379&start=0

A guy from Nokiacare told me that there are a lot of problems with their N series phones and they recommend the E series especially for business/corporate use. Still, a lot of people are using the N series and are still satisfied.

Dropped too low? geezz... check nokia phones. it's normal. Do you know the price of Sony PSP when it was released? How much does the original PSP costs now? How about the N80 or N95?

When it comes to gadgets, it's almost always about planned obsolescence. Companies will have a hard time surviving if they don't innovate. Do you have a gadget now with lifetime support? I work in a manufacturing firm and i guess you do too. It's expensive to maintain a setup for previous models mainly for support especially if you release new products every 3 or 6 month. You'll need a huge production area and lots of workers if you have to support old products for so long. One way of forcing people to buy new products is by discontinuing support or production of older products. Anybody who knows how to use google doesn't need to have MBA degree to know that. And FYI, even ISO certified companies that implement Kaizen principles or those that have lots of six sigma black belts produce shitty products. You just need to open your eyes and read the reviews of their products. Those practices are not a guarantee that you'll always produce good and reliable products just like getting a management degree will not guarantee that you'll be a good manager or leader.

We can always agree to disagree. Besides, we're entitled to have our own opinion. You have a shitty P990i. so again, get rid of it. The Buy and Sell section is always open. I'm keeping mine.

"the right to be heard doesn't automatically include the right to be taken seriously."