Questions on Lucifer, Satan and Satanism

[Stingray Sr.]

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I believe in God.
But, I don't believe that God created Lucifer or Satan.
Logic is always closer to the truth.
The Lucifer story is just a myth or a legend from the Bible.
Follow my logic if you can....
According to the Bible:
1.God created Lucifer, right?
Didn't God already knew that Lucifer would turnout to be Satan and become His worst enemy?
2. God created Adam and Eve.
Didn't God already knew That Satan would seduce them and make them commit sin?
3. God offered the life of his only Son to save mankind.
Would you kill your Son to save the people you created from the Enemy you created?
Where is the logic there?
Why not just save the trouble and kill the troublemaker?
Or He should not have created Satan in the first place.
Yes, we could never understand the nature of God.
We are just human and we live far below the level of understanding of God.
But it is much easier not to believe in Satan, just to prevent ourselves from getting confused.
I only accept what is logical! And the Lucifer theory is not that logical for me.

[IceDragon]

I believe in God.
But, I don't believe that God created Lucifer or Satan.
Logic is always closer to the truth.
The Lucifer story is just a myth or a legend from the Bible.
Follow my logic if you can....
According to the Bible:
1.God created Lucifer, right?
Didn't God already knew that Lucifer would turnout to be Satan and become His worst enemy?
2. God created Adam and Eve.
Didn't God already knew That Satan would seduce them and make them commit sin?
3. God offered the life of his only Son to save mankind.
Would you kill your Son to save the people you created from the Enemy you created?
Where is the logic there?
Why not just save the trouble and kill the troublemaker?
Or He should not have created Satan in the first place.
Yes, we could never understand the nature of God.
We are just human and we live far below the level of understanding of God.
But it is much easier not to believe in Satan, just to prevent ourselves from getting confused.
I only accept what is logical! And the Lucifer theory is not that logical for me.

u have a point there...kahinumdum lang ko ni Leonard Nimoy da! aka Mr. Spock the Vulcan of Star Trek. Hilig kaayo logic... "That would be illogical" thats what he always say...

[Stingray Sr.]

Ice Dragon...
Its good to hear from people with open mind.

[IceDragon]

Ice Dragon...
Its good to hear from people with open mind.

thanks man. you know what my belief is...i believe or this is just my theory that up there in heaven, i think God is not the only god there infact: they are having a contest, Gods on every religion: Yahweh, Allah, Buddha, Vishnu and Jesus...they're up there laughing down at us foolish mortals of which religion has more people in it... we never know......

[simoncpu]

1.God created Lucifer, right?
Didn't God already knew that Lucifer would turnout to be Satan and become His worst enemy?
2. God created Adam and Eve.
Didn't God already knew That Satan would seduce them and make them commit sin?

God created Adam, Eve, and Lucifer, but in order to give them true free will, God also gave them the power to choose between right and wrong. It is their responsibility whether to commit sin or not.

3. God offered the life of his only Son to save mankind.
Would you kill your Son to save the people you created from the Enemy you created?
Where is the logic there?

This is very, very logical. God is a just God; however, he is also a merciful God. How can God save mankind without them incurring the penalty of everlasting death? God cannot forgive without executing punishment because it would make him unjust; he cannot also punish without forgiving because it would make him unmerciful. How can this be reconciled? The solution is to take the punishment himself.

Why not just save the trouble and kill the troublemaker?
Or He should not have created Satan in the first place.

Killing Satan would not eliminate the problem of Evil. Eliminating Evil, which is an abstract concept, means eliminating free will. If you eliminate free will, all conscious beings would become zombies or robots. Existence would be meaningless.

[ simon.cpu ]

[chipper_buy]

SATAN is the best that ever happen in this world

[BushidoFMA]

Transformed physically?
wala ka kasabot sa 2 Corinthians 11:14 og the personality of SATAN.

Satan was an angel (LUCIFER) and angel of light means (a good one).
Because dark means EVIL. So in order that satan can recruit followers he will show or appear as good one.

He will convinced you that he is good and God is not like what he did to ADAM and EVE.

Gets nimo kung unsay buot pasabot that he transformed into angel of light? wala gyud nagpakasueto bro, gamit lang ko bible mao naa ko guide. dili pareha nimo nga ang hitsura ni SATANAS kay istorbot ra imo nahibaluan.
Wala sa biblia kanang imo giinogn bahin sa hitsura ni Satanas.
Kinahanglan nga kung mukuha kag information kang satanas kay sa biblia kuhaa kay sa biblia pud ka nakahibalo nga naay Satanas right? kay kung sa lain ka kuha mura man ka ani:

Kung mawagtangan og 20 pesos sa ngitngit kay ado mangita sa hayag.

Peace!

Physically? ka klaro ana nga dili na physical,gi basa man kaha na nimo.

ikaduha wla ka sa ponto sa imung tubag palihug sabta ang pNGUTANA.
mao ni ang question dudey... Asa sa bibliya nga ga ingun nga dili cya puede mo transformed into "red guy w/ tail and pitchfork?" mao na sabta palihug. Ayaw pag lecture dha, sabta ang pagnutana nya tubaga.

Di ko pa biktima sa imong ka way klaro mo debate. Kay daghan kaayo kag tubag nga wala sulod sa pangutana.

tan-awa imong tubag ha...mao ni...ingun ka nga mo " transformed" into an angel of light" so unsa man diay iyang hitsura sa dihang dili pa cya mo TRANSFORMED into an angel of light? Then ingun pa ka nga..."he WAS an angel of light". Haller haller naminaw ka sa imong kaugalingon? If he WAS an angel of light then mo transformed napod cya into angel of light?

So Kung WAS to iyang pagka angel of light unsa man iyang presewnt nga hitsura karun nga diin puede cya maka TRANSFORMED into an angel of light?

beh tag-e knuo ko ug tubag gikan sa biblia,kung asa sa bibliya ga ingun nga dili cya puede maka transformed ug red guy w/ tail n pitchfork? Asa?

GEts mo? ayaw pag pa ka sweto oi.

mura man ka c santo papa unsa ka infallible!

[simoncpu]

Can we please end this bickering and elevate our discussion to a philosophical level?

[jouho]

hello guys,

be careful lng jud ta sa atong mga comment
ayaw lng kanang below the belt.

thnx tnan sa inyong mga ideas.


God bless.

[dubioz]

LOL. Karon ra ko nakabantay na kibaw diay na si rcruman mo suko.

Can we please end this bickering and elevate our discussion to a philosophical level?